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Quote from: Wapfika on April 28, 2023, 07:55:30 AM

Quote from: Wexnident on April 28, 2023, 07:44:56 AM

Kinda dumb as a petition though. I mean, I reckon it should be pretty easy to find traces (plus most gambling related stuff need KYC nowadays).

I bet they are just taking their chances to use the law to recover their losses since this kind of incident is really happening that hacker use someone bank account to purchase online or gamble.

When I think of the case and reading the Nigerian law stated by the replies here, I think the mother and son chooses to lie about their gambling activity to avoid being charged of illegal gambling. So they claim that they don't have any idea and just found out that there are illegal transfers from their account which later on the mother and child admitted that they are telling a lie and they personally do the transfer to bet.

Quote from: Wapfika on April 28, 2023, 07:55:30 AM

I believe they have a family history of being a compulsive gambler because they can pretend that they really hacked if they don’t have history of gambling. KYC is not an issue since they loss the money and probably casino doesn’t asked them to do KYC since they didn’t manage to withdraw the funds. KYC typically applied when they already want to withdraw the funds. I think the prosecution evidence on this case are their family background since a mother and son not typically joining together to gamble if they didn’t do this most of the time.

With this, they just waste money on fine or jail time instead of just accepting the losses.

I think not only history but they are themselves are compulsive gamblers. Reason why even if they are doing illegal gambling, they can't stop because they have this uncontrollable urge to gamble. They could have avoid the charges if they are playing with legal gambling games allowed by the state, but obviously the authority find out that the are engaging with illegal gambling activity.

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Quote from: len01 on April 30, 2023, 12:42:58 PM

of course it started with the two people using money that they couldn't afford to lose so that when they both lost at gambling they would definitely blame each other and end up being enemies with each other, that was very bad.
but it's normal for someone who loses money at gambling to become emotional because it's a natural hormone of mind that appears to remember the lost money and feel disappointed and take it out on others.

It sounds ridiculous, how can we blame people who invite us to gamble, someone can get to know gambling because it can't be separated from their environment, and on average they are already in their teens and have a very high curiosity. This should prevent them from blaming each other when they lose at gambling, because before doing so you can be sure they already know the risks. Losing money is a very common risk in gambling, I will only enjoy it when I lose.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 30, 2023, 08:07:35 AM

Sometimes someone invites his friends to play gambling and they both experience the same defeat. His friend could blame that person for asking him to gamble and causing him to lose. This has often been encountered and not infrequently ends with the breakup of the friendship. But they both know what the risks of gambling are and can accept whatever the outcome is, they won't blame each other and can even keep laughing while lamenting their defeat. This requires maturity on the part of a person to know that anything he does in gambling can cost him money.

of course it started with the two people using money that they couldn't afford to lose so that when they both lost at gambling they would definitely blame each other and end up being enemies with each other, that was very bad.
but it's normal for someone who loses money at gambling to become emotional because it's a natural hormone of mind that appears to remember the lost money and feel disappointed and take it out on others.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 28, 2023, 07:55:30 AM

I bet they are just taking their chances to use the law to recover their losses since this kind of incident is really happening that hacker use someone bank account to purchase online or gamble.

I believe they have a family history of being a compulsive gambler because they can pretend that they really hacked if they don’t have history of gambling. KYC is not an issue since they loss the money and probably casino doesn’t asked them to do KYC since they didn’t manage to withdraw the funds. KYC typically applied when they already want to withdraw the funds. I think the prosecution evidence on this case are their family background since a mother and son not typically joining together to gamble if they didn’t do this most of the time.

With this, they just waste money on fine or jail time instead of just accepting the losses.

So gambling addictions are like genes too that can be passed? Interesting but I think it does not come naturally. Maybe the parents gambles carelessly even if their children are around so there is a tendency that the kids will copy it and worse is the parents just allow their kids to gamble.

That's too irresponsible. KYC is not the real issue here but it's about being addicted. KYC or not, an addicted gambler won't care only to continue playing but there are casinos which mandate KYC during the start or when you are still signing up on them. Not only they lose money but they also lost their morals but I think they don't really care about the opinion of other people. What is only important for them is to recover their money.

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Quote from: Masplanc on April 30, 2023, 06:14:54 AM

Playing gambling is at individual risk, no one is to be blamed if their is lose of money. Sueing someone for lose does not make any sense. Gambling is meant for adults to make decisions to play or not, Gambling has rules which has never been stated that it is a crime to hold someone responsible for asking one to play gamble.

Sometimes someone invites his friends to play gambling and they both experience the same defeat. His friend could blame that person for asking him to gamble and causing him to lose. This has often been encountered and not infrequently ends with the breakup of the friendship. But they both know what the risks of gambling are and can accept whatever the outcome is, they won't blame each other and can even keep laughing while lamenting their defeat. This requires maturity on the part of a person to know that anything he does in gambling can cost him money.

Maybe he hype his friend so much that's why he was been blame about bad situation happen to him. To avoid this its really better to tell all information they needed since if his friend can understand the risk of their games played then they will never mock at you but instead healthy discussion will be build up and possibly that they can create good plan towards the options they want to try on.

Its good that your friend understand the risk and its condition so that you can avoid blame game and can create good eye view to influence people to gamble responsibly and take care on their capital set.

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The law distinguishes between games of skill (which are legal) and games of chance (which are illegal). Legal forms of gambling include the lottery, land-based casinos and sports betting, whereas roulette, dice games and non-skilled card games are considered illegal.
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Isn't the statement conflicting? Since the quoted stated that game of chance is illegal, how come lottery and land based casinos is legal? We all know lottery is one of the most famous game of chance. If game of chance is illegal then this should be illegal. So I think any gambling not regulated by the government is illegal, may it be skill based or chance based when it is unlicensed then it is illegal.
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Everywhere there are such paradoxes. If I remember correctly, almost all gambling is banned in Japan (or Korea?) but betting on horse/dog racing is legal. What is the logic? I can't bet on a football game, but I can bet on which dog will run to the finish line first? I think this is only the influence of lobbying groups and nothing more. The very essence of the law is indifferent to everyone.

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Yes, some people are right for not blaming others because it was our choice to be here and gamble our money. Indeed, it was not right but I hate to say that sometimes it happens especially if having terrible losses because of that person. I surely cannot hold my tempter. Therefore, before we gamble we have to be sure that whatever happens to our funds is still okay. No hurt feelings when it is a loss and no blaming should be done otherwise, we put an end to our gambling life as it was not healthy, and ain't doing this for entertainment anymore but it was already a chase of winning.

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Quote from: Masplanc on April 30, 2023, 06:14:54 AM

Playing gambling is at individual risk, no one is to be blamed if their is lose of money. Sueing someone for lose does not make any sense. Gambling is meant for adults to make decisions to play or not, Gambling has rules which has never been stated that it is a crime to hold someone responsible for asking one to play gamble.

Sometimes someone invites his friends to play gambling and they both experience the same defeat. His friend could blame that person for asking him to gamble and causing him to lose. This has often been encountered and not infrequently ends with the breakup of the friendship. But they both know what the risks of gambling are and can accept whatever the outcome is, they won't blame each other and can even keep laughing while lamenting their defeat. This requires maturity on the part of a person to know that anything he does in gambling can cost him money.

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This kind of story is nothing new only happens to the people who wants to blame other for the consequence, they just want to blame others to keep out their gambling cases, recently the banks still have an issue but in that case most of the transactions today are now getting verified and if that case that the court will know that they have a background in some gambling activity this might remove the file case to the organization handled their money instead these kind of actions are now liable with the mother and the son. There are no safe haven in playing gambling.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on April 28, 2023, 08:18:59 AM

Yes, I blame someone.

Especially for the people who are playing at "Blackjack" tables Grin

play with basic strategy because it's f*cking make me mad if they not playing with basic strategy. Scared to hitting, while in the book they should hitting.

Because of these lack knowledge player, can make me lose. I want to punch him in the face ~XD

I have also experienced this similar issue while playing gambling games against people, particularly with players who do not follow any strategy. It can be frustrating to play against them since it is difficult to predict their moves.

Their unpredictable moves can make it challenging to predict their next move and often result in losses, even if they are not particularly skilled at the game, they'd just be scared to do the usual thing but they surprise you by using another moves. I must admit that I have lost several times to these kinds of players myself

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on April 28, 2023, 05:25:11 PM

The law distinguishes between games of skill (which are legal) and games of chance (which are illegal). Legal forms of gambling include the lottery, land-based casinos and sports betting, whereas roulette, dice games and non-skilled card games are considered illegal.
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Isn't the statement conflicting? Since the quoted stated that game of chance is illegal, how come lottery and land based casinos is legal? We all know lottery is one of the most famous game of chance. If game of chance is illegal then this should be illegal. So I think any gambling not regulated by the government is illegal, may it be skill based or chance based when it is unlicensed then it is illegal.

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This is one question that i do have in mind is that why they would be penalized on something that they do spend out? If this one pertains about playing on an illegal aspect
then its normal that they did really commit out some violation but of course they would be having that reasoning.

The fact that they commit illegal actions through illegal gambling activity, they will sure get penalized. In my country, if someone is caught engaging in illegal gambling, they are jailed and fined according to the law. I think these mother and son excuses themselves from such illegal activity by giving a reason that someone moved their fund, the innocent approach but they are caught empty handed that make them admit the lies. Thus they are sentenced to 7 years of imprisonment or pay the penalty.

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I hope we all learn something from this story that OP shared today, this is the reality of how cruel people can be when it comes to money, they gambled the money away themselves and they are looking for someone to take the blame, may we not be the victim of something we know nothing about, people are too wicked in this world, greed got them for good but they aren't ready for the loss, this is the same warming I am giving some people around me who loves to gamble too much, they go hungry because of gambling and they will call me to help them. Such people will find it hard to pursue a goal in life because all their minds will be robbed by gambling.

No wonder why my mother used to believe that the casinos or gambling havens owners are using some kind of Juju on the gamblers, because they will never be in their right state of mind after becoming addictive to gambling, sometimes, we really need to check ourselves, and ask questions.

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Playing gambling is at individual risk, no one is to be blamed if their is lose of money. Sueing someone for lose does not make any sense. Gambling is meant for adults to make decisions to play or not, Gambling has rules which has never been stated that it is a crime to hold someone responsible for asking one to play gamble.

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Quote from: nurilham on April 28, 2023, 04:46:06 PM

Agree, bro.

Who has the intention to gamble?
If we gamble with our own intention, it is funny to blame other people. Losing during gambling is our own responsibility, we don't need to blame others.

People who blame others or casinos for their losses, can't control their emotions and can face reality. These types of people must stay away from gambling, they can't understand what gambling is.

apart from not being able to control their emotions, people who blame their losing gambling on other people or gambling sites are crazy people, how can they do that while when they make a deposit, this is done consciously and voluntarily

if I met someone like this I would hit them on the head with a sandal LOL

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Quote from: Solosanz on April 29, 2023, 03:05:31 AM

Nope, I never blame anyone for my gambling losses because I always responsible with all of my bet.

I think this mother and son are looking a loophole how to get their money back, so he choose to create a fake story. I have seen such kind case in my country where an employee create a fake story where he got robbed when he want to go to bank for distributing the salary to every employees in his company. The truth is he store those money in his house lol.

This particular case of the OP is pathetic, such people should be severely sentenced as they are evil and should not be appreciated in society. How can someone be so callous and dubious blaming a financial institution for the money they actually spent themselves? Well, it's still difficult for me to believe such a story despite being a practical case as they pleaded guilty.

People are just evil, this is beyond gambling blames to me.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

Another crazy gambling related story. It always surprises me why people would bet so much money if they can't afford to lose it. By now everybody should know that there is no sure win when it comes gambling, we need to be prepared to lose our money if we gamble regularly. That is why the number one rule is to never gamble with money that we need in the near future. Trying to argue that there was a fraudulent transfer seems not very logical in today's time, we can follow any transfer and there will be records that show where the money went and for what it has been used. But still 7 years seems like a long prison sentence given that they both pleaded guilty. What I don't understand is that there is an option for a fine, does that mean they don't have to go to prison if they pay the fine?

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Quote from: Solosanz on April 29, 2023, 03:05:31 AM

Nope, I never blame anyone for my gambling losses because I always responsible with all of my bet.

I think this mother and son are looking a loophole how to get their money back, so he choose to create a fake story. I have seen such kind case in my country where an employee create a fake story where he got robbed when he want to go to bank for distributing the salary to every employees in his company. The truth is he store those money in his house lol.

Lol, that's a classic way to steal the bank's money and create a story that usually sells if the crime rate within a country or a specific city is pretty high. Like, if the guy who made up that story lived in a city where there are usual cases of robbery, he could have been able to get away with that, but he must have been pretty unfortunate.

About the mother and her son, that sounds like a lame story to me. Why would they not report the case if their money was stolen from their wallet until it was all gambled and lost? No wonder why they were not believed at all.

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Quote from: Johnyz on April 29, 2023, 03:13:15 AM

Quote from: Solosanz on April 29, 2023, 03:05:31 AM

Nope, I never blame anyone for my gambling losses because I always responsible with all of my bet.

I think this mother and son are looking a loophole how to get their money back, so he choose to create a fake story. I have seen such kind case in my country where an employee create a fake story where he got robbed when he want to go to bank for distributing the salary to every employees in his company. The truth is he store those money in his house lol.

Greed as usual, what can you expect from a addicted gambler?
I'm wondering who's the real gambler here, the son or the mother who influence his son to be a gambler too?
Now they are paying the karma for making false mistakes. Personally, I won't blame someone for my losses, first of all I don't let someone handle my finances, and second I know what I'm doing so every mistakes that I make I should be more responsible for that and accept that mistakes.

Well addiction is a great and very difficult disease to fight and from the look of things, the mother has been the engineering force behind her son's gambling addiction and I see no reason why someone else would have access to your online account and even had to transfer your money to a betting platform and all you can do is gamble with betting house and how did the money and child get access to the betting account and rather than Making any bets, they would have reported to the casino if the act wasn't intentional and I guess they knew what they were getting involved with but as we all know that, no one dreams of losing in gambling as everyone wants to make it big in gambling.
I will just describe the act as a greedy one.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 29, 2023, 11:57:11 AM

Quote from: alastantiger on April 28, 2023, 07:39:00 AM

How can two persons be so addicted to gambling that they'll go to such an extent? Apparently the mother is definitely not a good role model to the son. The son definitely needs a strong father figure which is what he lacks. I don't like the punishment or fine give to them. It is not going to be in anyway effective. Their punishment could have been rehabilitation and community service.

Here we see a picture of addicted gamblers. Both of them are addicted to gambling thee is no doubt about it. But I do not think that the attempt to rehabilitation or the means of punishing them is correct. What's wrong with a gambler gambling with his money? I will spend my money and i have the right. I will never accept blame for that. I am only responsible for managing the money in gambling so it will be the way I control it. Losses in gambling should never be blamed on others.

The problem here is both the mother and son filed a false petition to EFCC blaming other individual for allegedly transferring their money in a sports betting account without their authorization. But actually they're just giving this false information obviously to get their money back even they're the ones who spent it in gambling.

Well, I agree with you that there's nothing wrong if you gamble your money because that's your right. However, blaming others and making up stories because you can't accept the outcome of your actions are a different thing. The moral story is don't gamble the money that you can't afford to lose and don't blame other people for your losses. In the first place, no one coerce you to gamble it's your own will.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on April 28, 2023, 05:25:11 PM

Try to trace out about the currency being used is Naira which means that this one happened on Nigeria.
Did make out some few research about the gambling laws and regulations in Nigeria and i found this one.

The law distinguishes between games of skill (which are legal) and games of chance (which are illegal). Legal forms of gambling include the lottery, land-based casinos and sports betting, whereas roulette, dice games and non-skilled card games are considered illegal.
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Thank you for your elaborating their laws and the links so it's now clear to me why they get punished.

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I don't like the punishment or fine give to them. It is not going to be in anyway effective. Their punishment could have been rehabilitation and community service.

I don't like the aspect of option of meagre fine aspunishment either. That is exactly my challenge on this crime that I can't get my head over with. Some punitive measures are just as good as not pronounced because they don't in any way measure with offenses. I have some issues with some legal system because I think a punishment is suppose to wade people off a certain crime, what is pecuniary fine of 150,000 (about $210) as option against a jail term of 7 years or a crime of squandering $8,000 do to prevent future perjurers in gambling crimes.

As far as I understand what I read at the link/News you posted their crime was only giving false information that's why they are offered that kind of punishment prison or bail out. But I don't know if the judge completely cancel all about of the gambling activity or maybe it's just all they have to pay for gambling and giving false information. But I don't completely understand the News though on why they have had an $8000 equivalent of Naira money on their account since they didn't mention anything about someone or is it their money and why would the authority had to punish them for gambling?
Is it illegal to gamble in their country?
There's a lot of information I want to know though but the article is just too small to read.

if you have read the article. the money is on their Opay account. and they falsely alleged that someone used that money for sportsbetting. but maybe based from the investigations of EFCC, they were giving false claims that someone used their money for gambling to get back the money. but in reality, they were the ones who gambled the money, hence, charged of bordering false information.
and both mother and son pleaded guilty for such charges. so yeah, they did use it for sporsbetting and lost, and was trying to get funds back by saying that someone used their account without authorisation to get the money.

I see, so this might be the cause why they are punished and I don't see any likeliness that there's another reason why the authority had to punish them since their laws dictate that it's illegal to gamble on some certain games.

It's just too naive or stupid to blame someone if it's their account in the first place but action never lies so the authority probably asked people what are they doing on their daily lives. Probably someone told the authority that they were addicted with gambling so there's no need to prolong the investigation and they had to accept their punishment for what they did.

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