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Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 03, 2024, 01:41:21 PM

Well, exactly, I agree with what you said and I think that's what gambling is like, in the sense that it doesn't matter even if you bet by choosing a team that is much stronger in general in terms of statistics, it doesn't mean that at the end of the match they will win, or it can also be said that even if you bet against a weaker team, there is also a possibility for the team you bet on to win.
Remember one thing that there is always a time for unexpected things to happen and it is really proven on the field such as teams that statistically make unnecessary mistakes or like when they lose several players due to red cards which makes the game unbalanced.

That's why I will agree with your opinion that in any type of gambling there is still no way that can guarantee 100% victory, meaning that victory is still a chance and defeat becomes a part that cannot always be separated from it. Overall, yes, most likely the public will make the superior team the choice, but that doesn't mean it is the right choice to achieve victory.

A defeat is possible even without visible force majeure like a red card, remember the recent losses of Real and City in the Champions League, I would never have thought that they were capable of such a loss, I suppose that most of the players who placed bets that evening thought so. So yes, surprises happen quite often, you can try to guess where it can happen, but I do not like this approach, and in my understanding, playing against the crowd is exactly looking for some such sensational games.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 06, 2024, 05:41:41 AM

Sports gambling consist of different understanding either you pick side thinking that the favorite will lessen the chance of losing or you are aiming for bigger percentage of winning, all up to your own decision and how you view the possible outcome.

Are we supposed to care what the public thinks when betting, we are there to try and make out bets to be the correct one therefore if betting against the popular choice is what we think will be the best option, that is what we are supposed to go for. In the champions league lately, teams that we did not think can win are the ones winning and it has been happening too in other competitions. We do not have to think that the best teams are going to win always. At times the teams with less chances of winning, suprise everybody and defeats the stronger team and if you had bet on them to win, you get to win big payout. We should be following our instincts and not what the public are thinking. When gambling, there is no guarantee anywhere and everything that we are doing is a guess.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on November 05, 2024, 02:13:15 PM

Having in mind that no game is a sure game makes gambling to be of the mind and not of public opinion, because regardless of the level of the support the public may have on a team, it can never aid them to win a game that their poorly played, so for a gambler what we have to know is that, there will be a time when we leave the public behind and focus more on our own inner believe and convictions.

Having the mindset of what gambling really is which is risk and luck, helps us alot as both spectators and gambler's, even player's also need such mindset to build inner confidence.

I agree with what you said, indeed there are many things that can be our own considerations when we are going to gamble, but sometimes we have to trust our own choices and instincts because believing in what is out there does not make it easy for us to win at gambling. Moreover, in my opinion, focusing on one's own beliefs is not much different from believing in the many news outside, but for people who are looking for profit in gambling, they are more likely to believe in things that are out there.
With that mindset, each individual, in my opinion, can determine them in the future, now if they believe in things that are more public, it can allow them to be more aggressive in gambling, with the reality that the possibility of disappointing results can make them look for new ways or strategies that they believe can make them win for sure.

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Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on November 05, 2024, 02:26:38 PM

I think in this case it depends on several other aspects as long as it can be beneficial, then in the end, why not do it regardless of going against the public or following it is the same because it really depends on our choices and beliefs.

We know that in betting, especially in some sports such as football or basketball, sometimes public bets show statistics and h2h so in this case even if there is a favorite club playing but the statistics are not very good then why force the bet.

For example in soccer when you are a fan of Manchester United which is now experiencing endless problems. You already know what the statistics are like, even though in the end the odds offered are quite good when they are not profitable, why force it because in the end it will only waste your balance.

Those who impose bets usually want to get a benefit, for example, it can be publicity and recognition for audience coverage and farming a large number of subscribers, and then monetization. Now many want to do this, be it social networks or other places.

I prefer to place bets myself and not look at those who will advise me something regarding bets. Of course, this can affect many beginners who do not yet understand what is good and what is bad and try to rely on any information about bets. But we must be selective and highlight only the best information that can increase our winnings, everything else is dust.

The focus is not there buddy, because for betting I also prefer to do it myself but what I mean in this case is that we as bettors definitely know that in the end it is the profit in betting that we are looking for so in this case there is a tendency to make some bets according to or in line with the thoughts given by the bookie such as when betting between big and small clubs then indeed when this is felt to be an easy win then we will definitely choose the bet. But on the other hand, when the odds given are favorable but we do not agree with what the bookie gives then we also certainly have a decision to be in opposition and not follow such directions because we have our own thoughts to bet.

I also still do it myself where when I gamble there is no intervention from anyone because in the end when we gamble then anyone cannot be trusted so we only have to believe in ourselves and the luck we have.

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Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on November 05, 2024, 02:26:38 PM

I think in this case it depends on several other aspects as long as it can be beneficial, then in the end, why not do it regardless of going against the public or following it is the same because it really depends on our choices and beliefs.

We know that in betting, especially in some sports such as football or basketball, sometimes public bets show statistics and h2h so in this case even if there is a favorite club playing but the statistics are not very good then why force the bet.

For example in soccer when you are a fan of Manchester United which is now experiencing endless problems. You already know what the statistics are like, even though in the end the odds offered are quite good when they are not profitable, why force it because in the end it will only waste your balance.

Those who impose bets usually want to get a benefit, for example, it can be publicity and recognition for audience coverage and farming a large number of subscribers, and then monetization. Now many want to do this, be it social networks or other places.

I prefer to place bets myself and not look at those who will advise me something regarding bets. Of course, this can affect many beginners who do not yet understand what is good and what is bad and try to rely on any information about bets. But we must be selective and highlight only the best information that can increase our winnings, everything else is dust.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 04, 2024, 08:34:18 AM

I think regardless of whether you bet against the public or with other options the most important thing is one thing that understand the dangers that always lurk you at all times, because in any case defeat will always be part of the game, but I also agree with you that most likely the gamblers who are able to control themselves and their emotions are those who are already experienced enough because of course they have gone through various situations and maybe make it a lesson so they can be better as a gambler.

Regardless of any gambler's experience, everyone has different approach to auditory, vision and sensational actions. When the public are on the side of a team, they consist of both the experts and the newbies. Only a player who doesn't get moved or respond to things he's heard others say about the game would follow his decisions. Other than that, experience helps but in most vital cases state of mind controls how money is wagered on a game.

Experienced mostly the basis even gambler take side against the public with how they manage to experienced the outcome they will insist on that position hoping that both luck and the knowledge will help them to win, like what you said, there are different approachand there are different perspectives in terms of placing your bets.

Sports gambling consist of different understanding either you pick side thinking that the favorite will lessen the chance of losing or you are aiming for bigger percentage of winning, all up to your own decision and how you view the possible outcome.

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I think in this case it depends on several other aspects as long as it can be beneficial, then in the end, why not do it regardless of going against the public or following it is the same because it really depends on our choices and beliefs.

We know that in betting, especially in some sports such as football or basketball, sometimes public bets show statistics and h2h so in this case even if there is a favorite club playing but the statistics are not very good then why force the bet.

For example in soccer when you are a fan of Manchester United which is now experiencing endless problems. You already know what the statistics are like, even though in the end the odds offered are quite good when they are not profitable, why force it because in the end it will only waste your balance.

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Quote from: Accardo on November 04, 2024, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 04, 2024, 08:34:18 AM

I think regardless of whether you bet against the public or with other options the most important thing is one thing that understand the dangers that always lurk you at all times, because in any case defeat will always be part of the game, but I also agree with you that most likely the gamblers who are able to control themselves and their emotions are those who are already experienced enough because of course they have gone through various situations and maybe make it a lesson so they can be better as a gambler.

Regardless of any gambler's experience, everyone has different approach to auditory, vision and sensational actions. When the public are on the side of a team, they consist of both the experts and the newbies. Only a player who doesn't get moved or respond to things he's heard others say about the game would follow his decisions. Other than that, experience helps but in most vital cases state of mind controls how money is wagered on a game.

Having in mind that no game is a sure game makes gambling to be of the mind and not of public opinion, because regardless of the level of the support the public may have on a team, it can never aid them to win a game that their poorly played, so for a gambler what we have to know is that, there will be a time when we leave the public behind and focus more on our own inner believe and convictions.

Having the mindset of what gambling really is which is risk and luck, helps us alot as both spectators and gambler's, even player's also need such mindset to build inner confidence.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on November 05, 2024, 11:54:18 AM

Actually some players just gamble in fear and they won't take their own personal decision. They fear failure despite how much they have, they would go with the public in a decisive match like El Clasicos and this is talking about the newbies. So control or the amount of money that you have many times may not matter especially if you have been on a losing streak. Loses can actually destabilize a gambler, get them confused and so they wager from public opinion. Failure has no followership and that is why when you are winning you are likely to keep doing that which is producing results while a loser stumbles with different ideas.

People with such habits and mindsets should stay away from gambling because they will most likely only lose money in the long run. If you are not confident enough to make your bets yourself then you are not going to have stable winnings for sure. You can't rely on public opinion all the time, you need to have your own thinking and understanding and you should be able to do analysis yourself if you want to become a profitable sports bettor.

Someone cannot expect to stay profitable in the long run if they aren't knowledgeable enough to make their bets based on analysis and research they have done on their own. Researching about public opinion and views about a certain event can be a part of your analysis but it shouldn't be the sole reason behind your decision.

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Quote from: Accardo on November 04, 2024, 10:22:10 AM

Other than that, experience helps but in most vital cases state of mind controls how money is wagered on a game.

Actually some players just gamble in fear and they won't take their own personal decision. They fear failure despite how much they have, they would go with the public in a decisive match like El Clasicos and this is talking about the newbies. So control or the amount of money that you have many times may not matter especially if you have been on a losing streak. Loses can actually destabilize a gambler, get them confused and so they wager from public opinion. Failure has no followership and that is why when you are winning you are likely to keep doing that which is producing results while a loser stumbles with different ideas.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 28, 2024, 10:28:05 PM

The public here mainly consists of bettors who tend to bet on the favorites, whether it’s point spread or moneyline. Most suggestions we see online emphasize that to be considered a smart bettor, you should bet against the public. But what if we don’t bet against ourselves? Can we still find success in sports betting?

We must not bet according to how others are betting or following others because we feels that is way to winning and like I know how gambling are mostly carried out sometimes, it doesn't directly mean that as you bet on the public there would be results and a form of long term winning because you are doing what the public are doing.

For some reasons we should deal on real data and statistical information of every team and clubs if we think that their information and history are quite okay for a player or bettor to have that option chosen then fine, but if by in our own description and dispensation see that such team aren't qualify to be given winning due to their lapses or previously perform match or in within their past 5 matches then there is no much priority given such team or club winning.

So, as a real player or gambler we shouldn't be concurrently we relying on their previous and past historical performance after we might have overly take our analysis and results in consideration, even as that we should also have and stick this into our memories that winning most times doesn't really play out the way we might have seen it, and it ends up being a game probabilism.

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Quote from: Accardo on November 04, 2024, 10:22:10 AM

Regardless of any gambler's experience, everyone has different approach to auditory, vision and sensational actions. When the public are on the side of a team, they consist of both the experts and the newbies. Only a player who doesn't get moved or respond to things he's heard others say about the game would follow his decisions. Other than that, experience helps but in most vital cases state of mind controls how money is wagered on a game.

Every gambler certainly has a different view in maintaining the opportunity to bet, whether it is responsible or not their involvement in it. When people consider that fighting the public is a difficult effort, then all forms of gambling should also produce the same thing, the difference is that people are more interested in betting decisions in much more rational games such as betting on football.

Experience can help but there is no big guarantee for the percentage of victory because even though the analysis indicators are correct, sometimes they do not go according to the results and all decisions are based on the desire of each individual in gambling to be able to control themselves or not.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 04, 2024, 08:34:18 AM

I think regardless of whether you bet against the public or with other options the most important thing is one thing that understand the dangers that always lurk you at all times, because in any case defeat will always be part of the game, but I also agree with you that most likely the gamblers who are able to control themselves and their emotions are those who are already experienced enough because of course they have gone through various situations and maybe make it a lesson so they can be better as a gambler.

Regardless of any gambler's experience, everyone has different approach to auditory, vision and sensational actions. When the public are on the side of a team, they consist of both the experts and the newbies. Only a player who doesn't get moved or respond to things he's heard others say about the game would follow his decisions. Other than that, experience helps but in most vital cases state of mind controls how money is wagered on a game.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 03, 2024, 01:54:49 PM

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many people who experience losses and other negative impacts are usually because they lose control and this loss of control begins with those who are emotional because they get results that are not in accordance with their expectations. besides that people like this usually put high hopes on a bet they make by thinking they can get a big win and make them go home with a bag full of money, but when emotions are out of control they will most likely only regret the behavior they previously did because it will make them continue to bet again and again.

You are right, we must be able to see ourselves, whether we are ready to lose what we bet or not because those who experience emotions are usually the type of people who are not ready to lose with their bets that are made until the defeat that occurs triggers their emotions and makes them lose control of themselves.

And with that they mostly added more money and repeat that same outcomes, betting against the public most of the time are being use by those experienced gamblers, they understand and they know how to work with emotions, if they lose then they let it go, as they know that there are many other opportunities if they will analyze and assess each underdogs that they will entrust their fate.

Self-control helps to manage your bankroll, with good grasp of it even how often you bet against the public you'll be able to lessen the amount of your loses as you know your limits and you know the risk that you take.

I think regardless of whether you bet against the public or with other options the most important thing is one thing that understand the dangers that always lurk you at all times, because in any case defeat will always be part of the game, but I also agree with you that most likely the gamblers who are able to control themselves and their emotions are those who are already experienced enough because of course they have gone through various situations and maybe make it a lesson so they can be better as a gambler.

The point is if you want to be safe and avoid the bad possibilities in gambling such as experiencing large amounts of money loss then understand what and how gambling really is, because in most cases the gamblers who experience a slump are those who gamble blindly without being based on any risk management, so realize that defeat will always be part of the game regardless of how you play.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 28, 2024, 10:28:05 PM

The public here mainly consists of bettors who tend to bet on the favorites, whether it’s point spread or moneyline. Most suggestions we see online emphasize that to be considered a smart bettor, you should bet against the public. But what if we don’t bet against ourselves? Can we still find success in sports betting?

When we talk about success, it should be viewed as a long-term process. Some of us may not see ourselves betting long-term, which makes it hard for them to relate to this concept. If someone is just betting for fun, they likely won’t be well-versed in the terminology of sports betting, as their interest is quite limited. In contrast, those who genuinely want to win will study the sports betting market and seek ways to succeed, even if the chances are slim.

I don't bet to follow the opinions of others. My bet is strictly my understanding of the games, the season, the players and how each team is performing and not some random talks of what other people think because at the end of the day, it's my money that I will use to bet and not not the public money or what other people will say. I have seen some stubborn bettors that don't bet straight winnings or the likes of common options, they love betting on hard games.

I know a stubborn bettor that only bet on draw games and you know how difficult is to bet on draw game. Instead of going for multiple bets where everyone will be picking 16 games of the week and many more from other leagues, they focused only on drawing 5-7 games and they are done. It's a difficult prediction but the odd are satisfying and will backup your stake with huge potential winning. No matter what the public thinks of who is going to win and lose, their focus is always on the draw result.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on November 02, 2024, 02:19:29 PM

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That kind of emotions most of the time turns a gambler to deeper problem, when you regret a lot the chance that you might push yourself to play back repeat that same mistake, as you will keep following your instinct that luck will permits you, those who aim for bigger amount of winnings will place their bets against the public, if you aim high better to make sure that you have a full control of your emotions just in case things won't turn to your favor you can quickly move forward and forget about what happened.

many people who experience losses and other negative impacts are usually because they lose control and this loss of control begins with those who are emotional because they get results that are not in accordance with their expectations. besides that people like this usually put high hopes on a bet they make by thinking they can get a big win and make them go home with a bag full of money, but when emotions are out of control they will most likely only regret the behavior they previously did because it will make them continue to bet again and again.

You are right, we must be able to see ourselves, whether we are ready to lose what we bet or not because those who experience emotions are usually the type of people who are not ready to lose with their bets that are made until the defeat that occurs triggers their emotions and makes them lose control of themselves.

And with that they mostly added more money and repeat that same outcomes, betting against the public most of the time are being use by those experienced gamblers, they understand and they know how to work with emotions, if they lose then they let it go, as they know that there are many other opportunities if they will analyze and assess each underdogs that they will entrust their fate.

Self-control helps to manage your bankroll, with good grasp of it even how often you bet against the public you'll be able to lessen the amount of your loses as you know your limits and you know the risk that you take.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on November 01, 2024, 06:26:27 PM

Sometimes the public get things wrongly that’s gambling for everyone either favorite or most active teams they’re times the public choice fail.

As long as we’re dealing with gambling where the prediction is coming from the masses or not, the chance of it being correct is never 100% even when a big team is playing against a very small team the chance of them winning is still never 100% - there are times when upsets happen and we’d get results that we never expected to get.

The public are also making predictions just like you- so sometimes it’s possible for them to predict rubbish.

Well, exactly, I agree with what you said and I think that's what gambling is like, in the sense that it doesn't matter even if you bet by choosing a team that is much stronger in general in terms of statistics, it doesn't mean that at the end of the match they will win, or it can also be said that even if you bet against a weaker team, there is also a possibility for the team you bet on to win.
Remember one thing that there is always a time for unexpected things to happen and it is really proven on the field such as teams that statistically make unnecessary mistakes or like when they lose several players due to red cards which makes the game unbalanced.

That's why I will agree with your opinion that in any type of gambling there is still no way that can guarantee 100% victory, meaning that victory is still a chance and defeat becomes a part that cannot always be separated from it. Overall, yes, most likely the public will make the superior team the choice, but that doesn't mean it is the right choice to achieve victory.

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Quote from: Tmoonz on November 03, 2024, 05:29:34 AM

This reminds me of how I lost in a game that was given to me by a friend just because I felt I came in to football betting before him and at such I should know more better but trust me that doesn't really works that way, anyone predictions stand certain level of chances of winning, even experts picks has no guarantee, I edited the games my friend gave me by adding more games and changing some options but to my greatest surprise he got lucky that week his games played out and when he asked me if I played the game or not I lied that I didn't play the game because my predictions goes against me because of that I have learned not to edit games given to me by another person, rather I will play it the same way and as well play another separate slip predicted by me.

Yea, editing a copied prediction can sometimes contradict your possibility of winning that bet. When you undermine your copied prediction and go on to edit it, it's possible that the game would have been successful but you must have added other few games that can make the game bad or must have adjusted a certain prediction. So, the truth is that, nothing is guarantee is gambling.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 30, 2024, 02:52:09 PM

I bet in two ways, it's either I take my time to analyze my games when I am free before I place my bet or I take the predictions of my friends. When making predictions, I usually make use of every possible strategy that defines if the team am betting on has the capacity to win or not.

That strategy of taking games from your friend—do they refer to that as a strategy or just take game to place bet with the hope of winning something out of it if you're lucky enough?

Even if I take a game from someone, I do spend my own time to analyse them and make out my own edit, which is why in some cases you can see two people who share a game, one winning and the other losing due to the little edit that was done in that bet slip.

Taking games from someone and winning the game is not and can not be called a strategy because you are not the actual person that did predict the game. However, even if you win through the game your friend gave to you it means your friend and you are both lucky.
Moreover, even if my friend gives me a game I will not be bothered to check and edit it because I believed that the person takes his/her time to predict it. And again, most edited games end up cutting so it's better to play the game exactly the way it was given to you.

This reminds me of how I lost in a game that was given to me by a friend just because I felt I came in to football betting before him and at such I should know more better but trust me that doesn't really works that way, anyone predictions stand certain level of chances of winning, even experts picks has no guarantee, I edited the games my friend gave me by adding more games and changing some options but to my greatest surprise he got lucky that week his games played out and when he asked me if I played the game or not I lied that I didn't play the game because my predictions goes against me because of that I have learned not to edit games given to me by another person, rather I will play it the same way and as well play another separate slip predicted by me.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on November 01, 2024, 03:18:13 PM

If we are taking bets, we should always consider our own personal reason for taking that bet, that same reason will be what we are going to use in determining for which side or on what should we gamble for, because this is all about our money and how we want to have it spend on gambling bet, the choice we made will determine the outcome of the bet we are playing and we wont be disappointed if we already made the right decision.

Not just that, we can also tell ourselves that we made our own choice so if ever that bet loses, it doesn't hurt much because we didn't rely on someone else or whatever the public is trying to force on us.
I think it's better that way because we will not blame anyone for our mistake and if ever it wins, it also boosts our confidence to make our own decisions on our next bets. We can always use the odds and the favorites as a basis for our own analysis but at the end of the day it will be all up to us and you are right, it is our own money so we better maximize the chance to win rather than just relying on another analysis or prediction.

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