Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 102. (Read 87857 times)

So  you can build  10 rigs.
I know  you use 6 on the six card
and you use 7 or 8 on the eight card.

So 5 x 6 = 30 plus 5 x 7 = 35  So you can do 65 gpus for the 10 rigs.

I think it is real and I think  it will be very efficient.  I also think it will be delivered too late and bitmain will counterpunch them.

I think they needed to say nothing until they could do a 100 unit sale. (assuming it is kick ass as claimed)

By selling 100

1 at a time  on first batch they could have done a huge preorder after that.

Now  most people think poorly of there ability to deal with customers.

I ordered 5 of these ONDA J1800
and 5 of these  ONDA B250

I paid 1220  for the 10  used paypal sent the funds on Dec 30th
they arrive on Jan 8th

I own a unicorn. Well, a functioning AMT A1 1THs miner:

1 of maybe 10 built and sent to customers. (lighted fans added by me)
Even then only after it was very clear that Bitmine.ch was going down the toilet and no help to him, Josh had it made by a former Dragon maker to use the chips that Bitmine.ch made him buy as part of being an Authorized distributor for their A1 designs. With Bitmine's designs all being crap he had no other choice. Why I got one is probably because I was one of the few folks here trying to help Josh with the numerous issues the base  Bitmine.ch design had. Kudo's to him for that however AMT's other customers got nothing except bills from their lawyers after they sued Josh Zipkin/AMT. Lawsuit is still unresolved btw.

That all brings us back to perhaps this Halong miner does exist. If so it is certain that by now several hundred would have been made and tested - prototype runs are NOT done 1 and 2 at a time. You don't get 1 PCB made - MOQ's even from a proto house is usually 12 or more. In AMT's case it was 100 boards. They did 4 revisions, all sorta worked for a brief time.

Assuming Halong is in the same boat I can understand not wanting to provide demos but of course that would also mean admitting the design/production process is still a work-in-progress. From what has been seen here so far Halong is not about to let any mouthpiece say that.

while today  when any machine  makes solid money  and people think that btc may top 50 by jan 2019 the

fuck you blow me bitch.
or the "no soup for you" soup  nazi  will work  they don't work in a squeeze.

As I said I don't give a shit about basics as long as gpus are making unreal money those who care about asics will get burned.


Gpus  on amazon 30 day return policy with zero issues
gpus 45 day return policy on best buy (elite plus) with zero issues
gpus 30 day return policy from newegg no issues.

all have 1 year some 2 and some 3 year warranties that get honored more often and easier then any asic.

I was 100 % asic until spring of 2016

I started with more gpus and now 20 months later I have 3x to 4x in gpus then asics.

basically because asic companies suck and gpu companies are okay.

This is not going un noticed by bigger players

samsung and BaiKai are looking at a joint venture
intel may partner up.

players like the companies on this thread  will be swept away down the road.

I guess they believe that is true and why they are in the "no soup for you" mode

The problem is that this attitude is extremely short sighted...  Believe it or not this FOMO and mining market could change overnight.  Being antagonistic to any potential or future potential client has exactly 0 upside or value while it does create some risk of alienating future clients if market conditions suddenly change.

I understand what you're saying, but these are not deli products, these are money making machines. You can spit in the face of your customers and they will still line up to buy. If at some point supply and demand get to a reasonable equilibrium, and there are enough competitors, then they would need to figure something out. They can come up with "customer care" bullshit later if they need to, people have short memory.

A possible explanation, in case they are legit, to ignore the request for evidence is: they just don't need to give a shit about anything to make tons of money. In the current market you put a crypto banana for sale and you get you inbox full of people trying to buy it. So why even bother? Look at players like Innosilicon or Baikal, they treat you like shit and they sell all they want. I think they could put "BTW: Fuck you" in the signature of their emails and still sell all they want... Sigh...

I've witnessed more than 100M$ being scammed off the people from this forum during 2013-2014. It's how this forum self defense works. You need to understand why is this happening to you. If you don't understand that it means that you don't understand part of your customers. Why bother to make your story credible so much since you are not taking any orders? Just wait until you ship or until you can show more tangible proof and stop wasting time.

We have already listed a number of suggestions,
but those have all been denied by Halong Mining.

No photos.

No video.

No review (promojo where are you?)

Nothing.

All denied.

Personal choice. I've been pretty busy. The only reason why I'm interested in this is how close Scott lives to me, and I'm also pretty interested in mining developments. I've also been a victim in the Alpha Technologies scam, so I can understand the apprehensive nature of a new company that takes orders in a similar fashion.

I also understand that it looks unusual for an old account to suddenly come out of hibernation, so I went ahead and I signed one of my old addresses which I posted in a giveaway back in the day found here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3558892.


Again, I've got no skin in Halong whatsoever. I've been pretty devout with Bitmain in the last few years. I look forward to seeing Scott and Halong's prototype in person, and I'll report back here once that is done with my summary of my findings.

If anyone has any suggestions of what they'd like to see from my visit, I'm all ears. I had a few things in mind that I feel would be helpful to the community

Here's the problem with what you ask. YOU are the only person who will be held to a professional standard as will the company you represent. Not your customers and certainly not people on the Internet. I spent many years in sales, if you have any time at all in it you should know this.

Why has your account been inactive since 2015?

I apologize for expressing my frustration in an angry manne and demeaning some users. I was frustrated with the terminology thatthe ‘reviewers’ were using to label this product. I think there is a need for them to clean up and standardize their nomenclature so that it’s fair for everyone involved.

- Proven
- Unproven
- Possible Scam
- Absolute Scam

Etc.

Know what I mean?  

The first reason not to would be if it wasn't real.  But assume it is for this discussion.

IF its real...

As I mentioned the reviews will be here eventually.

To me mining is now an enterprise level market.  My background is enterprise level account management in a manufacture/distribution market.  Honestly companies spending millions on product development should be focusing on enterprise clients and distribution centric business models.  Let the disty's mass market for retail sales and focus on manufacturing and selling to big shooters.  There is a reason most large manufactures sell to disty only and it's simple, greater profit.

@Phil You're right the market conditions will not last forever. I mean did everyone just forget that mining was designed as a near zero sum game and is ALWAYS working towards that goal??  And I agree this was a PR shit show, it really did remind me of Inaba LOL which says a lot when I think about 2 weeks from now!!!!!!!!  Pissing on anyone as a company rep is stupid, really stupid.  Add to it what looks an awful lot like sock puppets and to me your concerns are justified, its a solid no go for me. 

I don't pre-order mining hardware, I think giving anyone an interest free loan is kinda silly.  Sticking to GPU's I can buy off the shelf thanks!

Read my story  above about Vinny and Tommy

this company is run by Vinny not Tommy

I swear the story is true.

So simply  ask what happens when coins and power cost  shifts back to normal?

We hope  that there will be a Tommy to take over but more likely this company will crash out.

My issue about all this was why post here? why have the thread?

Then I realized oh it is a Vinny now I post  here cause it is fun.

@Flying Hellfish
The cost of providing a demo unit for a trusted forum member is so so so small, if the member pays for the miner, that I see zero reasons why not to do it?  

Good call  since at the moment  coins are 2x or 3x what they should be if you base it on using an s-9 at 10 cent power.

mining a s-9 on viabtc.com pps+

Weekly----0.01279723------$213.78---$23.52------$190.26
Monthly---0.05484528------$916.20--$100.80------$815.40


power cost is 11%  that is not normal

power cost runs  20-35%

The bigger reason to lock down the coins ASAP is to hedge against coin price shitting the bed and or diff skyrocketing.

I  had a friend (Tommy) he owned a nice deli in New York.

It had a great location  with no competition he did very well with it.

His kid brother Vinny got married  and the family decided he should run the deli to raise a new family with his new wife.

 Vinny was a nice kid  but a stupid shit for brains businessman.  He was nasty to customers  his attitude was my location is so fucking good  that the customers must come to me or walk a ½ mile to the nearest deli.
   In under 18 months he crushed the business.  Because customers simply said fuck you and walked the ½ mile to the next Deli.
   His brother Tommy took the business back and it was flourishing in under 6 months.  

It is obvious we are dealing with a Vinny not a Tommy on this thread.
As I said  I have zero need for the product. When you launch it  for real  maybe I will do a small group buy maybe not.  

Good luck when bitmain puts the screws to you and simply undercuts your price like they did with the Sp20

The real problem is the difference between perceived value of the reviews.

With current market conditions if it was my call to make personally I probably wouldn't bother doing specific BTCTALK reviews either.

No offence intended guys honestly but here would be my reasoning.

1)  There are much more effective ways to reach MORE people by providing verifiable proof through other outlets.
2)  Once sufficiently verified the majority of forum members would accept it as real and discussion of technical merit, quality, logistics etc can be discussed.  Once in the wild the reviews will get here so they will get them.

Now IMO halong made a couple mistakes.  The biggest being that there rep gives off the impression that they assume that the current EXTREMELY rare current market conditions will last forever!  

Second was letting someone represent their company that can't control their emotions publicly.  It looks terrible on a company.

Third was releasing information too soon. IF they have the best in class gear and enough cap to make the gear they should have waited until they were allowed to prove it.  Imagine the communities response to such a company as well as the LONG term legacy type PR a company could garner at that point!

Now imagine if this thing exists and they actually manage to piss in Bitmains Cornflakes???