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Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 22, 2016, 12:19:08 PM

1. Do you want to see any additional currencies in our game? Ethereum, Dash, Monero, Ripple, anything else? Or maybe all of them?

2. Do you want built-in currency exchange? [/b]

1. If you can handle more currencies than add them as much as you can, but i think most of the players will stick with bitcoin including me.

2. Built-in currency exchange will be great idea, i will suggest you guys to use shapeshift api for this.

Also got bonus however wagering requirement was really high. It seems you need to add flash betting too along with auto betting, speed of auto betting is really low.

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I'm supposed to ask if you view 'Wagering' as something completely different then what every other site views it as?

They seem perfectly aware of what "wagered" means, because they use the correct definition for site-wide and player-wide stats. It's the sum of the amount you have bet. They only use the twisted definition for unlocking bonuses.

Actually, it doesn't really protect them. I'd say why, but I'll let xinzark have his fun first Grin

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Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 22, 2016, 11:54:29 AM

Quote from: xinzark on December 22, 2016, 11:24:50 AM

Answer some of my questions as i still can't see much information at the bonus page. Other sites have a dedicated page explaining the bonus rules
As i am interested in depositing in your site, i don't want to face rules issue afterwards like DogeDigital

1. Are these bonus rules final for at least next 7 days ? : http://imgur.com/a/Pjiag
2. In how many days we have to complete the wagering requirement ?
3. Maximum bonus size which is 2 btc at the moment includes the deposit amount or it is just the additional bonus we are getting on top of our deposit
4. Are there anything else which is kept hidden ?

Here is a current set of rules (if any changes we will notify you here in advance), hopefully they are clear:

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Deposit Bonus rules:
Maximum bonus size: 2 BTC.
Minimum deposit amount: 0.01 BTC.
To claim bonus your balance must be greater or equal to deposit amount.
Deposit Bonus will be applied manually by our support team AFTER your request. Your bonus assignment may take up to 12 hours.
In order to claim your Bonus you need to make a request:
- post your username and deposit amount in our Bitcoin Talk thread;
- post your deposit amount in the site chat (use @admin, for faster answer).
- write us an email to [email protected].
Your Bonus will be applied as soon as possible and must be wagered 45 times to became a part of your balance.
Your balance will be locked while bonus is active. You may cancel bonus at anytime.

And some parts of our FAQ
How does Bonus wagering works?
Bonus wagering contribution depends on a game chance and equals to 100% minus chance. It means that:

at chance 10% wagering contribution is 90%;
at chance 50% wagering contribution is 50%;
at chance 90% wagering contribution is 10% and so on.

Can I claim a Deposit Bonus and withdraw my deposit?
No, you may not. Until your Bonus amount is locked you cannot make a withdrawal. You can make a deposit.

Giveaway rules:
Your accounts on Bitcoin Talk or Facebook should be at least 3 months old. Only one entry per person is allowed.
Your Bonus will be applied as soon as possible and must be wagered 10 times to became a part of your balance.
Same wagering rules applies here

So answers to your questions:
1. Please read rules above and check them once again on the site.
2. 30 days.
3. 2BTC is maximum Bonus size (so if you will deposit 1 we will assign you 2 more).
4. No (believe it or not we did not wanted any misunderstanding from the very beginning). The only thing that may be a bit unclear is that you need to keep your deposit untouched until your bonus request will be processed by administration. This is because we have a manual processing, we are implementing automatic Bonus processing at the moment, so will be available soon.

Anything else?

Thanks for the info. Quoting for future reference
Archived page : http://archive.is/0gpxz

I wants to deposit 1 btc but as you said you guys are resting at the moment, i will deposit once you are available
Just let us know in the forum when you guys are active again
If you guys will credit the bonus now, then i can deposit without waiting for tomorrow. Let me know in the pm if you are interested

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And for now all bonuses has been assigned for today and our administration is resting.
Next bonus assignment will be tomorrow , please, be patient.

In the meantime we wanted to ask our members few things:

1. Do you want to see any additional currencies in our game? Ethereum, Dash, Monero, Ripple, anything else? Or maybe all of them?

2. Do you want built-in currency exchange?

Also if anyone interested in our plans for future development we can provide you with them and you can make your suggestions. For example, in the nearest future we want to implement Private Messages, Automatic Bonus system (so you won't need to wait until administration will assign it to you), make more emojis and many more.

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Quote from: xinzark on December 22, 2016, 11:24:50 AM

Answer some of my questions as i still can't see much information at the bonus page. Other sites have a dedicated page explaining the bonus rules
As i am interested in depositing in your site, i don't want to face rules issue afterwards like DogeDigital

1. Are these bonus rules final for at least next 7 days ? : http://imgur.com/a/Pjiag
2. In how many days we have to complete the wagering requirement ?
3. Maximum bonus size which is 2 btc at the moment includes the deposit amount or it is just the additional bonus we are getting on top of our deposit
4. Are there anything else which is kept hidden ?

Here is a current set of rules (if any changes we will notify you here in advance), hopefully they are clear:

Quote

Deposit Bonus rules:
Maximum bonus size: 2 BTC.
Minimum deposit amount: 0.01 BTC.
To claim bonus your balance must be greater or equal to deposit amount.
Deposit Bonus will be applied manually by our support team AFTER your request. Your bonus assignment may take up to 12 hours.
In order to claim your Bonus you need to make a request:
- post your username and deposit amount in our Bitcoin Talk thread;
- post your deposit amount in the site chat (use @admin, for faster answer).
- write us an email to [email protected].
Your Bonus will be applied as soon as possible and must be wagered 45 times to became a part of your balance.
Your balance will be locked while bonus is active. You may cancel bonus at anytime.

And some parts of our FAQ
How does Bonus wagering works?
Bonus wagering contribution depends on a game chance and equals to 100% minus chance. It means that:

at chance 10% wagering contribution is 90%;
at chance 50% wagering contribution is 50%;
at chance 90% wagering contribution is 10% and so on.

Can I claim a Deposit Bonus and withdraw my deposit?
No, you may not. Until your Bonus amount is locked you cannot make a withdrawal. You can make a deposit.

Giveaway rules:
Your accounts on Bitcoin Talk or Facebook should be at least 3 months old. Only one entry per person is allowed.
Your Bonus will be applied as soon as possible and must be wagered 10 times to became a part of your balance.
Same wagering rules applies here

So answers to your questions:
1. Please read rules above and check them once again on the site.
2. 30 days.
3. 2BTC is maximum Bonus size (so if you will deposit 1 we will assign you 2 more).
4. No (believe it or not we did not wanted any misunderstanding from the very beginning). The only thing that may be a bit unclear is that you need to keep your deposit untouched until your bonus request will be processed by administration. This is because we have a manual processing, we are implementing automatic Bonus processing at the moment, so will be available soon.

Anything else?

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Answer some of my questions as i still can't see much information at the bonus page. Other sites have a dedicated page explaining the bonus rules
As i am interested in depositing in your site, i don't want to face rules issue afterwards like DogeDigital

1. Are these bonus rules final for at least next 7 days ? : http://imgur.com/a/Pjiag
2. In how many days we have to complete the wagering requirement ?
3. Maximum bonus size which is 2 btc at the moment includes the deposit amount or it is just the additional bonus we are getting on top of our deposit
4. Are there anything else which is kept hidden ?

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Oh well, so the wagering requirement is not a pure x45 because the contribution is based on the bet multiplier. I thought it is not based on the multiplier as there was no terms about it that's why I said that the deposit bonus looks so interesting (+EV). It is exist now on the terms about the bonus, I guess it is because of Dogedigital brought it up here. Big thanks for it Dogedigital..

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Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 22, 2016, 09:34:14 AM

If you don't agree with our conditions you could've simply cancel your bonus and make a withdrawal, it was your choice to keep playing.

I told you the whole point of me playing there was to unlock the bonus. Cancelling the bonus would still result in a loss from your deceptive terms as I was already a third of the way into unlocking the bonus but in reality it was being treated at only 10% of my actual wagering.

My claim is that you deceptively led me into playing at a -EV situation when you made me believe that it was +EV.

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If you don't agree with our conditions you could've simply cancel your bonus and make a withdrawal, it was your choice to keep playing.

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If you were not completely sure you could've asked in advance, as many people does.

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Quote from: Dyatrev on December 22, 2016, 05:37:01 AM

Quote from: xinzark on December 22, 2016, 05:31:24 AM

Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 22, 2016, 04:56:53 AM

We used something like "make a Bonus and get three times more" and made an explanation that if you deposit 1BTC you receive 2BTC as a bonus and 3 BTC in total and all this was called 300%, so it was not straightforward and we changed that.

BTW, Dogedogotal asked what will be his bonus amount and we explained this to him (and gave exact number) before assigning the Bonus.

All this makes me wonder why people with a win just say "thanks" and people who lost are trying to find dozens of reasons why game wasn't fair to them..

I never won nor lost in your site so you can not point at me
So, if i deposit 1 btc, can i withdraw my deposit amount after claiming my 2 btc bonus and play with that 2 btc to complete the wagering requirement ?
Also we have to wager 45x bonus amount that is 2 btc or bonus + deposit amount that is 3 btc ?

if it was work like that they would announce 2btc no-deposit bonus and everyone would try to wager 45x of it

Dyatrev, correct, thank you for an explanation.

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Quote from: xinzark on December 22, 2016, 05:31:24 AM

Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 22, 2016, 04:56:53 AM

We used something like "make a Bonus and get three times more" and made an explanation that if you deposit 1BTC you receive 2BTC as a bonus and 3 BTC in total and all this was called 300%, so it was not straightforward and we changed that.

BTW, Dogedogotal asked what will be his bonus amount and we explained this to him (and gave exact number) before assigning the Bonus.

All this makes me wonder why people with a win just say "thanks" and people who lost are trying to find dozens of reasons why game wasn't fair to them..

I never won nor lost in your site so you can not point at me
So, if i deposit 1 btc, can i withdraw my deposit amount after claiming my 2 btc bonus and play with that 2 btc to complete the wagering requirement ?
Also we have to wager 45x bonus amount that is 2 btc or bonus + deposit amount that is 3 btc ?

if it was work like that they would announce 2btc no-deposit bonus and everyone would try to wager 45x of it

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Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 22, 2016, 04:56:53 AM

We used something like "make a Bonus and get three times more" and made an explanation that if you deposit 1BTC you receive 2BTC as a bonus and 3 BTC in total and all this was called 300%, so it was not straightforward and we changed that.

BTW, Dogedogotal asked what will be his bonus amount and we explained this to him (and gave exact number) before assigning the Bonus.

All this makes me wonder why people with a win just say "thanks" and people who lost are trying to find dozens of reasons why game wasn't fair to them..

I never won nor lost in your site so you can not point at me
So, if i deposit 1 btc, can i withdraw my deposit amount after claiming my 2 btc bonus and play with that 2 btc to complete the wagering requirement ?
Also we have to wager 45x bonus amount that is 2 btc or bonus + deposit amount that is 3 btc ?

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Anyway, no matter what reason, we don't like sad clients and will make radical improvements to our Bonus system to avoid this.
Game should be fun.

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Quote from: Bitinity on December 22, 2016, 04:36:48 AM

Quote from: xinzark on December 22, 2016, 03:04:10 AM

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Their 300% is being treated as 200%.
Their 200% is being treated as 100%.

I see no 300% bonus anywhere. All i see is 200% and 100%

It was announced by Duckdice some time ago, but the post has been edited. It was 300% first deposit and 200% deposit bonus for the next deposits. But as what Dogedigital said, it was treated in wrong way. Perhaps that's why OP edited his post about the bonus.

We used something like "make a Bonus and get three times more" and made an explanation that if you deposit 1BTC you receive 2BTC as a bonus and 3 BTC in total and all this was called 300%, so it was not straightforward and we changed that.

BTW, Dogedogotal asked what will be his bonus amount and we explained this to him (and gave exact number) before assigning the Bonus.

All this makes me wonder why people with a win just say "thanks" and people who lost are trying to find dozens of reasons why game wasn't fair to them..

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Quote from: xinzark on December 22, 2016, 03:04:10 AM

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Their 300% is being treated as 200%.
Their 200% is being treated as 100%.

I see no 300% bonus anywhere. All i see is 200% and 100%

It was announced by Duckdice some time ago, but the post has been edited. It was 300% first deposit and 200% deposit bonus for the next deposits. But as what Dogedigital said, it was treated in wrong way. Perhaps that's why OP edited his post about the bonus.

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And regarding the fairness of the rolls, there is a code available on our site (or you can make your own if you have required skills), with it you can verify every bet, no matter how many thousands of them you made.
And you will see that everything was 100% FAIR.

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Yeah it is tricky and should be clearly explained and it is your fault to keep it hidden.

The rules don't make it easy to withdraw the Bonus but we don't hide any bit of information, beside the rules we explain everything personally to every users and hopefully very soon will make reading the rules mandatory (something like set of rules in a popup and "accept" or "cancel" button).

Beside, people do win with our Bonus and if you doesn't feel like unlocking your Bonus you can cancel it at anytime and make a withdrawal.

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Quote from: DuckDice.io on December 21, 2016, 06:10:30 PM

Bonus must be wagered 45 times to became part of a balance.
On DuckDice Bonus wagering contribution depends on a game chance and equals to 100% minus chance.
It means that at 10% wagering contribution is 90%,
at 50% is 50% and at 90% is 10%.

So it is rather tricky, otherwise we would become bankrupt pretty fast as many of you said.

Yeah it is tricky and should be clearly explained and it is your fault to keep it hidden. In such case any losses faced by the user because of this mistake should be refunded

But still why it feels like you still can get bankrupt if your rolls are Fair
Let's do some calculation again based on your new rules

I deposit 1 btc, I will get additional 2 btc resulting in 3 btc balance
Now i have to wager 90 btc to unlock the bonus according to the new rule
If i wager 100 btc at 10% chance, then it will be considered as 90 btc wagered towards wagering requirement
If your rolls are fair then i will lose 1 btc while wagering 100 btc since the house edge is 1%
Even after that i will have 2 btc left in my account ready to withdraw with no restrictions if there is none hidden

The result after will be a 1 btc profit with a 1 btc investment within a day. Doesn't that sound HYIP to you ?
Now these results really makes me question about the fairness of your rolls as already explained by DogeDigital

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Their 300% is being treated as 200%.
Their 200% is being treated as 100%.

I see no 300% bonus anywhere. All i see is 200% and 100%

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Site forces you to first bet 100 times before you can even chat, which is required to activate the bonus.

There are several ways to request your bonus:
bitcoin talk thread and facebook, so you don't need our chat at all. 100 bets verification is for blocking spam messages in our chat. For example on PrimeDice you need to wait for the whole day until you are allowed to to send a message.

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Then you must wait for the Admin to apply the bonus, which wasn't explained properly at all (300% bonus really 200% bonus, deceiving requirements listed ['wagering' not really wagering at all), and you are not told that the earlier betting will not be counted.

We do admit that rules were not totally clear, but we made changes to them and will make even more to avoid any misunderstanding.
However, you send a PM and did not wait for an answer.

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In order to unlock the bonus (which locks up your balance), you must bet at a very high multiplier to have any shot at unlocking the bonus in a timely manner.

this is how bonuses works, there is no game which will give you money for free. Bonus is a free part for you to play with, it not necessarily should be withdrawn straight away. You can try various strategies with it and give it a shot, in the worst case scenario you will just loose your bonus and in the best case scenario you will get additional money, isn't this the whole idea of gambling?

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