Yeah, I agree it would be a bloodbath (if) anyone tried to disarm the less pussified regions, so I agree that the U.S will break apart eventually.
Assuming the United Nations etc, succeeds with it's fruity agendas, who knows what they would try in order to eliminate "radicals"
It could end up a mess like Syria.
I just can't imagine Trump would try it, Hellary probably would.
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Being an outsider, but having consumed a lot of US media, it seems to me gun confiscation would have to be incremental, assuming that it is even possible to begin with. There are apparently approx 320 million firearms in the US? That is a lot of f*cking guns. And confiscation just means that they will be buried.
Guns being illegal even in prohibitionist Europe, where I live doesn't stop AK47s being used in Amsterdam:
http://www.pipelinenews.org/2013/jun/03/moroccan-criminal-gangs-in-holland-belgium-heavily.html
What foreign army would willingly walk into a country armed to the teeth? It would be a bloodbath.
Guns being illegal even in prohibitionist Europe, where I live doesn't stop AK47s being used in Amsterdam:
http://www.pipelinenews.org/2013/jun/03/moroccan-criminal-gangs-in-holland-belgium-heavily.html
I think if anyone dares to try and disarm American civilians it will be foreign soldiers.
What foreign army would willingly walk into a country armed to the teeth? It would be a bloodbath.
I think if anyone dares to try and disarm American civilians it will be foreign soldiers.
...
TPTB
I couldn't tell you how many would fight to the death for their gun rights. I don't think you would need very many millions though. If I had to guess that were there to be a Gun Grab, that after about 100 LEOs shot dead would be enough to stop the cops from trying to enforce that...
Correct re Texas and guns. No way the TPTB will get those guns. Texas would leave first.
I do not know what Corker's problem is, know very little about him. He must be a "RINO", else a wolf in sheep's clothing.
TPTB
I couldn't tell you how many would fight to the death for their gun rights. I don't think you would need very many millions though. If I had to guess that were there to be a Gun Grab, that after about 100 LEOs shot dead would be enough to stop the cops from trying to enforce that...
Correct re Texas and guns. No way the TPTB will get those guns. Texas would leave first.
I do not know what Corker's problem is, know very little about him. He must be a "RINO", else a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Yeah, it's getting kind-of obvious now that the Strong Cities Initiative is just another front for Agenda 21...
The Corker Bill may be the precedent to subvert the required two-thirds majority of the Senate to ratify treaties, such as the UN plan to confiscate guns in the USA:
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/08/25/thanks-to-congress-the-un-plot-to-confiscate-american-guns-took-a-giant-step-forward/
If I understand correctly, the Corker Bill requires a two-thirds majority of the Congress (House and Senate) to stop an Iran treaty from being law. They have turned the Constitution on its head.
This is absolute treason.
Thus I am getting a picture of shooting war in the USA between the government and the gun rights diehards. This would support Armstrong's model that predicts the break up of the USA. I just can't see Texans giving up their guns.
I know there are many patriots in the USA who have known this battle is coming. I wonder how many are prepared to fight to the death?
- And if M.S. is not gut dysbiosis then why is it being cured with antibiotics! I even noticed my M.S. symptoms go away when I am on antibiotics, but I have not dared that 8 week doxycycline that Dr. Paul is advocating because I am concerned that it might worsen my gut dysbiosis by killing off good bacteria also. But heck that is another thing to try if all else fails.
I went into severe all-water diarrhea, fever, borderline delirious, intermittent acute pain, and bed ridden over the past 24 hours and the gut pains were starting to mimic the pain of the acute peptic ulcer that had me in ER and ICU in May, 2012. So I decided it was too risky and I had better start antibiotic treatment immediately. Delaying antibiotic treatment last time is apparently what allowed the h.pylori bacteria to further proliferate and the ulcer to burst open leaking acid into my body cavity. Given how horrendously painful and near death event that was, I didn't want to risk it.
I decided to look more into the theory linked in the above quote.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/1531-8249(199907)46:1%3C6::AID-ANA4%3E3.0.CO;2-M/abstract
Quote from: Annals of Neurology > Vol 46 Issue 1
Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the central nervous system in multiple sclerosis
Abstract
Our identification of Chlamydia pneumoniae in the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) of a patient with multiple sclerosis (MS) led us to examine the incidence of this organism in the CSF from 17 patients with relapsing–remitting MS, 20 patients with progressive MS, and 27 patients with other neurological diseases (OND). CSF samples were examined for C pneumoniae by culture, polymerase chain reaction assays, and CSF immunoglobulin (Ig) reactivity with C pneumoniae elementary body antigens. C pneumoniae was isolated from CSF in 64% of MS patients versus 11% of OND controls. Polymerase chain reaction assays demonstrated the presence of C pneumoniae MOMP gene in the CSF of 97% of MS patients versus 18% of OND controls. Finally, 86% of MS patients had increased CSF antibodies to C pneumoniae elementary body antigens as shown by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay absorbance values that were 3 SD greater than those seen in OND controls. The specificity of this antibody response was confirmed by western blot assays of the CSF, using elementary body antigens. Moreover, CSF isoelectric focusing followed by western blot assays revealed cationic antibodies against C pneumoniae. Infection of the central nervous system with C pneumoniae is a frequent occurrence in MS patients. Although the organism could represent the pathogenetic agent of MS, it may simply represent a secondary infection of damaged central nervous system tissue. A therapeutic trial directed at eliminating C pneumoniae from the central nervous system may provide additional information on its role in MS. Ann Neurol 1999;46:6–14
Abstract
Our identification of Chlamydia pneumoniae in the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) of a patient with multiple sclerosis (MS) led us to examine the incidence of this organism in the CSF from 17 patients with relapsing–remitting MS, 20 patients with progressive MS, and 27 patients with other neurological diseases (OND). CSF samples were examined for C pneumoniae by culture, polymerase chain reaction assays, and CSF immunoglobulin (Ig) reactivity with C pneumoniae elementary body antigens. C pneumoniae was isolated from CSF in 64% of MS patients versus 11% of OND controls. Polymerase chain reaction assays demonstrated the presence of C pneumoniae MOMP gene in the CSF of 97% of MS patients versus 18% of OND controls. Finally, 86% of MS patients had increased CSF antibodies to C pneumoniae elementary body antigens as shown by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay absorbance values that were 3 SD greater than those seen in OND controls. The specificity of this antibody response was confirmed by western blot assays of the CSF, using elementary body antigens. Moreover, CSF isoelectric focusing followed by western blot assays revealed cationic antibodies against C pneumoniae. Infection of the central nervous system with C pneumoniae is a frequent occurrence in MS patients. Although the organism could represent the pathogenetic agent of MS, it may simply represent a secondary infection of damaged central nervous system tissue. A therapeutic trial directed at eliminating C pneumoniae from the central nervous system may provide additional information on its role in MS. Ann Neurol 1999;46:6–14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlamydophila_pneumoniae
Quote
and in vitro testing suggest infection with C. pneumoniae is a significant risk factor for development of atherosclerotic plaques due to the fact that it causes chronic shortages of micro-nutrients such as Magnesium, Vitamin D, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B9, Vitamin B12, Vitamin K1 and Vitamin K2. C. pneumoniae infection increases adherence of macrophages to endothelial cells in vitro and aortas ex vivo.
C. pneumoniae has also been found in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
C. pneumoniae has also been found in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment1.html
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Then the problem of treating a chronic infection with C. pneumoniae had to be solved. Many medical microbiologists working in the field believe that this infection cannot be adequately treated. Using the Internet I quickly found a US patent taken out by two Vanderbilt doctors, Mitchell WM and Stratton, CW to record the intellectual priority of their discovery: [http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6884784.html]. Using the information in this patent as a basis for treatment I recommended the following oral antichlamydial regimen:
doxycycline 200mg once daily
roxithromycin 300mg once daily (azithromycin 250mg three days a week is an alternative.)
Short courses of metronidazole will later be added to this regimen.
We started the doxycycline first, as it was immediately available. The results were astonishing. For five days Sarah suffered a worsening of her symptoms; this was accompanied by a flu-like illness, with headache round the eyes, pains in the large joints (hips and shoulders) and night-sweats. This is a typical Herxheimer-like reaction; it is caused when a large bacterial load is broken up by antibiotics or other agents. After five days she lost the mental fog: indeed, she said she felt mentally clearer than for two years. The roxithromycin was added three weeks later, when it became available.
This information has been made available at Sarah's request. It has to be said that, despite all the research which has been published in the scientific literature, the existence — let alone the therapeutics — of chronic infection with C. pneumoniae is barely understood by the medical community.
doxycycline 200mg once daily
roxithromycin 300mg once daily (azithromycin 250mg three days a week is an alternative.)
Short courses of metronidazole will later be added to this regimen.
We started the doxycycline first, as it was immediately available. The results were astonishing. For five days Sarah suffered a worsening of her symptoms; this was accompanied by a flu-like illness, with headache round the eyes, pains in the large joints (hips and shoulders) and night-sweats. This is a typical Herxheimer-like reaction; it is caused when a large bacterial load is broken up by antibiotics or other agents. After five days she lost the mental fog: indeed, she said she felt mentally clearer than for two years. The roxithromycin was added three weeks later, when it became available.
This information has been made available at Sarah's request. It has to be said that, despite all the research which has been published in the scientific literature, the existence — let alone the therapeutics — of chronic infection with C. pneumoniae is barely understood by the medical community.
http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment.pdf
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A schedule of treatment.
This is one schedule that strikes all stages of the organism's life-cycle. Other equally good schedules are
possible. It is important that a committed care-giver (for instance, spouse, partner or parent) should ensure that
medication is given, and swallowed, consistently.)
Doxycycline 100mg orally once daily is taken with plenty of water.
When this is well tolerated, Azithromycin 250mg orally, three times a week should be added.
(Roxithromycin, 150mg twice daily, is an alternative.)
When all this is well tolerated, the dose of Doxycycline is increased to 200mg daily.
The reason for this slow, step-wise introduction of antichlamydials is to minimize any reactions caused by
bacterial die-off. These can be unpleasant. NOTE: in rapidly progressive MS it may be prudent to offset the
benefits of stopping progression against the risk of reactions, giving full doses of azithromycin and doxicycline
from the beginning.
This combination is taken continuously.
Two or three months into the treatment regimen three-weekly cycles of intermittent oral Metronidazole are
added. During the first cycle metronidazole is given only for the first day. When metronidazole is well tolerated
the period of administration in each cycle is increased to five days. There is no reason for the intermittent use of
metronidazole other than acceptability: if someone undergoing treatment is able to take longer cycles of
metronidazole then it seems reasonable that they should do so.
The dosage of metronidazole is 400mg three times a day. If it is suspected that a patient may have a heavy
chlamydial load a smaller daily dose may be given initially.
N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) 600mg daily - 1,200mg twice a day, should be taken continuously. This is a
commonly-taken dietary supplement, available at health-food stores. It is an acetylated sulphur-containing
amino-acid, and may be expected to cause chlamydial EBs to open prematurely, killing them. NAC should be
started at the lower dose of 600mg daily; the dose should be doubled when well-tolerated. NAC offers liver
protection; this may be useful, as rapid bacterial die-off may compromise hepatic function. If NAC produces
unpleasant reactions, its administration may be delayed until antibiotics are well tolerated. Doxycycline and
azithromycin may be expected to slowly deplete the chlamydial EB load by destroying them as they enter host
cells.
The period of continuous treatment needs to be of the order of a year. This is very important, as the organisms
are extremely difficult to remove from certain cell-types. The recommendations for acute infection (typically 2
- 6 weeks monotherapy with doxycycline or a macrolide) are totally insufficient. The organism is not killed by
such treatment, but is instead driven deeper into a persistent state. This is recognised but not widely
appreciated. [See: Woessner R, Grauer MT, Frese A et al., Long-term Antibiotic Treatment with
Roxithromycin in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis. Infection. 2006; 34(6): 342-4.] Roxithromycin alone for
three 6-week periods did not help these patients; this outcome was predictable. The difficulties of treating
persistent chlamydial infections with traditional antimicrobial schedules are ably discussed by Villareal and coauthors
[Villareal C, Whittum-Hudson JA, Hudson AP. Persistent Chlamydiae and chronic arthritis. Arthritis
Res. 2002;4(1):5-9.] Effective treatment needs to be addressed to all stages of the organism's life-cycle.
The eventual aim is to give all three agents intermittently so that there is some respite from antibiotics. This, the
final leg of treatment, may entail a 14 day course of doxycycline and roxithromycin, with a five day course of
metronidazole in the middle. This course is given once a month. After several months the intervals between the
antibiotics may be cautiously extended. Rifampicin is not suitable for intermittent use, and azithromycin may
be given instead.
This is one schedule that strikes all stages of the organism's life-cycle. Other equally good schedules are
possible. It is important that a committed care-giver (for instance, spouse, partner or parent) should ensure that
medication is given, and swallowed, consistently.)
Doxycycline 100mg orally once daily is taken with plenty of water.
When this is well tolerated, Azithromycin 250mg orally, three times a week should be added.
(Roxithromycin, 150mg twice daily, is an alternative.)
When all this is well tolerated, the dose of Doxycycline is increased to 200mg daily.
The reason for this slow, step-wise introduction of antichlamydials is to minimize any reactions caused by
bacterial die-off. These can be unpleasant. NOTE: in rapidly progressive MS it may be prudent to offset the
benefits of stopping progression against the risk of reactions, giving full doses of azithromycin and doxicycline
from the beginning.
This combination is taken continuously.
Two or three months into the treatment regimen three-weekly cycles of intermittent oral Metronidazole are
added. During the first cycle metronidazole is given only for the first day. When metronidazole is well tolerated
the period of administration in each cycle is increased to five days. There is no reason for the intermittent use of
metronidazole other than acceptability: if someone undergoing treatment is able to take longer cycles of
metronidazole then it seems reasonable that they should do so.
The dosage of metronidazole is 400mg three times a day. If it is suspected that a patient may have a heavy
chlamydial load a smaller daily dose may be given initially.
N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) 600mg daily - 1,200mg twice a day, should be taken continuously. This is a
commonly-taken dietary supplement, available at health-food stores. It is an acetylated sulphur-containing
amino-acid, and may be expected to cause chlamydial EBs to open prematurely, killing them. NAC should be
started at the lower dose of 600mg daily; the dose should be doubled when well-tolerated. NAC offers liver
protection; this may be useful, as rapid bacterial die-off may compromise hepatic function. If NAC produces
unpleasant reactions, its administration may be delayed until antibiotics are well tolerated. Doxycycline and
azithromycin may be expected to slowly deplete the chlamydial EB load by destroying them as they enter host
cells.
The period of continuous treatment needs to be of the order of a year. This is very important, as the organisms
are extremely difficult to remove from certain cell-types. The recommendations for acute infection (typically 2
- 6 weeks monotherapy with doxycycline or a macrolide) are totally insufficient. The organism is not killed by
such treatment, but is instead driven deeper into a persistent state. This is recognised but not widely
appreciated. [See: Woessner R, Grauer MT, Frese A et al., Long-term Antibiotic Treatment with
Roxithromycin in Patients with Multiple Sclerosis. Infection. 2006; 34(6): 342-4.] Roxithromycin alone for
three 6-week periods did not help these patients; this outcome was predictable. The difficulties of treating
persistent chlamydial infections with traditional antimicrobial schedules are ably discussed by Villareal and coauthors
[Villareal C, Whittum-Hudson JA, Hudson AP. Persistent Chlamydiae and chronic arthritis. Arthritis
Res. 2002;4(1):5-9.] Effective treatment needs to be addressed to all stages of the organism's life-cycle.
The eventual aim is to give all three agents intermittently so that there is some respite from antibiotics. This, the
final leg of treatment, may entail a 14 day course of doxycycline and roxithromycin, with a five day course of
metronidazole in the middle. This course is given once a month. After several months the intervals between the
antibiotics may be cautiously extended. Rifampicin is not suitable for intermittent use, and azithromycin may
be given instead.
I've read that Chlamydia pneumoniae can be asymptomatic and rather the symptoms of a chronic infection with it can manifest as autoimmune diseases.
My ex had persistent asthma, her brother persistent bronchitis, and I was living in a squalor area in the Philippines in the 1990s and at that time nearly every filipino had a persistent cough, because the economy was so bad and people were in such poor health.
I have observed that my body is so sensitive. It doesn't seem to matter what I do with diet, I can't reach a level of homeostasis with good health.
I have long thought it was some infectious agent that is the source of my chronic illness. Originally I suspected a high strain HPV infection which my ex gave me in May 2006. So I had taken a lot of AHCC in 2013 and 2014.
Recently I had been thinking the antibiotics I took over the years had put my gut into a state of dysbiosys that couldn't be rectified any more with antibiotics (e.g. Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis).
But it is also possible that some infectious agent is driving the dysbiosys.
I note that after I recovered from the strong antibiotics used to treat the h.pylori and acute peptic ulcer, and after supplementing with high dose vitamin D3, then for about a month in Sept/Oct 2013, I seemed to be back to normal. But then the chronic illness returned and by Nov/Dec, I was in severe chronic fatigue again and my lymphocytes were measured to be very high.
I will try to find out today if the Chlamydia pneumoniae PCR test is available in Philippines. I doubt it.
So I've made a decision to experiment with antibiotics again. I was needing a course of antibiotics any way to deal with the severe episode of gastroenteritis, so I might as well continue the therapy. It would be much better if I could confirm the existence of the pathogen, because the therapy calls for up to a year of treatment. Again I doubt it will be possible to find the accurate PCR test here.
Also my olfactory sense is really sensitive again, same as it was in May 2012 when I took the antibiotics. Every kind of cooking food smells horrible to me.
Also I note that two weeks ago I had mentioned that I had a fever and bronchitis like cough deep in my lungs. So that is another shard of evidence that might implicate a Chlamydia pneumoniae pathogen.
I was wondering why I would get a deep lung cough when working on gut dysbiosys and diet, considering that I had not been around many other people and mostly always in the house or exercising alone. That event caused me to again suspect a chronic infectious agent other than just gut dysbiosys.
http://patents.com/us-6884784.html
Quote
Diagnosis and management of infection caused by chlamydia
Abstract
The present invention provides a unique approach for the diagnosis and management of infections by Chlamydia species, particularly C. pneumoniae. The invention is based, in part, upon the discovery that a combination of agents directed toward the various stages of the chlamydial life cycle is effective in substantially reducing infection. Products comprising combination of antichlamydial agents, novel compositions and pharmaceutical packs are also described.
Inventors: Mitchell; William M. (Nashville, TN), Stratton; Charles W. (Nashville, TN)
Assignee: Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN)
Appl. No.: 10/100,759
Filed: March 19, 2002
Abstract
The present invention provides a unique approach for the diagnosis and management of infections by Chlamydia species, particularly C. pneumoniae. The invention is based, in part, upon the discovery that a combination of agents directed toward the various stages of the chlamydial life cycle is effective in substantially reducing infection. Products comprising combination of antichlamydial agents, novel compositions and pharmaceutical packs are also described.
Inventors: Mitchell; William M. (Nashville, TN), Stratton; Charles W. (Nashville, TN)
Assignee: Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN)
Appl. No.: 10/100,759
Filed: March 19, 2002
I admitted that vegan diet probably has benefits and even that for heart disease might be critical.
I think you are absolutely correct about that.
I just have to tell you frankly, because I tried to be nice but then I was being called dumb.
I think you are too sensitive and you can't handle when someone has a different opinion than yours. You are calling people retard, dumb, etc. and insulting people with all kind of uncivil remarks in this forum all the time. Your posts are full of uncivil personal insults - in the meantime you are so sensitive to any opinion which disagree with you. Which is more important, I certainly not called you dumb, not even implied that - quite the opposite, I made a compliment virtually in every second post that you are the smartest person on this forum. You became very upset, because I was dare to express my opinion about the benefits of plant based diet, and that I subscribed to the calcium deficit theory with regards to milk.
No you told me that raw milk was very bad
I wrote above, that I am talking about supermarket diary products that is accessible to 99.999% of population, which raw milk is not such widely available product. I have no specific opinion on raw milk (except that logic dictates that it must be a bit better than pasteurized milk, in the meantime according to many scientists the bacteria in raw milk is a risk). I was talking generally about diary products and the government propaganda of diary products.
Milk is a separate food group on the food chart and that info is pushed to billions of people as a guideline for nutritions. That's what government teaches in school and even in kindergarten. It is a separate food group because it has calcium and some protein. It is same as the pumpkin seed would be a separate food group just because it is rich in magnesium.
Since large corporations - that control the FDA and European food authorities - have a vast interest in diary products, the propaganda pushes diary products to the masses. Even you admitted that the industrial diary products are not so good. I said several times that I am not worried about raw milk, I am talking about diary products which is accessible by 99.999% of the population, so I am not sure why so upset about that raw milk topic.
No hard feeling from my part as well, it was a very good discussion and I leave it with this.
Typical Westerner can't admit when he is wrong and tries to change what he wrote after the fact. Sigh. An apology would have been more appropriate.
I have tried to be fair and meet you half-way but that isn't acceptable to you.
<--- I suspect you are a baby boomer and went through this religious phase as wellI'll replay the history of our discussion so you can be more clear.
Wow raw goat's milk fresh (warm) from the goat's nipple to my glass jar in the ice filled ice chest!
You replied:
You are probably the smartest person by far here, you obviously know a lot, but this is the second time I have to correct you on a popular misconception about foods (the beneficial effects of olive oil was the first).
Milk actually reduces calcium in your bones. Similarly to all animal proteins, milk acidifies the body pH level, which then triggers a biological correction...
Milk actually reduces calcium in your bones. Similarly to all animal proteins, milk acidifies the body pH level, which then triggers a biological correction...
I wrote unequivocally that I was drinking raw milk, and you replied that I was dumb.
You've demonstrated several times up thread that you have very lax reading comprehension. That doesn't make it my fault.
On top of that, your entire unscientific claim about milk was proven to be bullshit and nonsense.
You later tried to claim you were only talking about supermarket milk, but the fact is I made it very clear the milk I was talking about.
Again an apology is more appropriate, but you are not man enough for that. Instead you go on attacking me trying to convince yourself that I was the one who was fault. Does it help you to live in delusion?
Y'know, I think my biggest fear is of me harboring some unknown parasite in my digestive tract.
As I wrote earlier today, 5 or 6 days is not enough time to be confident of a cure or permanent improvement in health. About an hour after riding that high feeling, the horrible symptoms returned with a vengeance and I've been bed ridden the entire afternoon and evening unable to work with all the horrible symptoms that I loath, such as severe fatigue, bad headache, gut pain, and cramping, painful feet.
Note I ate even more wild grown leafy green vegetables today than prior days. But I didn't drink any raw grass-fed goat's milk today, because my liter sample was depleted the prior night.
So tomorrow I am ready to purchase 11 liters and we will see if the raw goat's milk is indeed the excelsior. It might just be a cycle I go through after hard exercise. Again there are many variables to isolate and correlate, so it is too early to jump to conclusions. I will just say I felt really, really good after drinking the goat's milk, so it will be interesting to see what result I get tomorrow.
I need to sleep now and wake up 5am to arrive by 7am at the distant farm for the milking time.
Note I ate even more wild grown leafy green vegetables today than prior days. But I didn't drink any raw grass-fed goat's milk today, because my liter sample was depleted the prior night.
So tomorrow I am ready to purchase 11 liters and we will see if the raw goat's milk is indeed the excelsior. It might just be a cycle I go through after hard exercise. Again there are many variables to isolate and correlate, so it is too early to jump to conclusions. I will just say I felt really, really good after drinking the goat's milk, so it will be interesting to see what result I get tomorrow.
I need to sleep now and wake up 5am to arrive by 7am at the distant farm for the milking time.
I remember my wife was advised to do elimination testing for gastritis / fodmaps a while back, perhaps it may isolate the problem? ie, Maintain the diet for a period. If its OK, add the milk on top for a period. If OK, add low intensity exercise, If OK go back to high intensity. She was OK with some foods, not OK with others on the charts of what typically affects stomach lining. She found it very hard to do it for weeks on end but eventually the symptoms subsided.
Yeah, it's getting kind-of obvious now that the Strong Cities Initiative is just another front for Agenda 21...
A Knowledge Age may indeed be the best defense for a way of life free of Socialism or worse.
I was almost expecting to see Valerie Jarrett in a picture.
Valerie Jarrett is the Empress.
And Obama is her prophet.
I admitted that vegan diet probably has benefits and even that for heart disease might be critical.
I think you are absolutely correct about that.
I just have to tell you frankly, because I tried to be nice but then I was being called dumb.
I think you are too sensitive and you can't handle when someone has a different opinion than yours. You are calling people retard, dumb, etc. and insulting people with all kind of uncivil remarks in this forum all the time. Your posts are full of uncivil personal insults - in the meantime you are so sensitive to any opinion which disagree with you. Which is more important, I certainly not called you dumb, not even implied that - quite the opposite, I made a compliment virtually in every second post that you are the smartest person on this forum. You became very upset, because I was dare to express my opinion about the benefits of plant based diet, and that I subscribed to the calcium deficit theory with regards to milk.
No you told me that raw milk was very bad
I wrote above, that I am talking about supermarket diary products that is accessible to 99.999% of population, which raw milk is not such widely available product. I have no specific opinion on raw milk (except that logic dictates that it must be a bit better than pasteurized milk, in the meantime according to many scientists the bacteria in raw milk is a risk). I was talking generally about diary products and the government propaganda of diary products.
Milk is a separate food group on the food chart and that info is pushed to billions of people as a guideline for nutritions. That's what government teaches in school and even in kindergarten. It is a separate food group because it has calcium and some protein. It is same as the pumpkin seed would be a separate food group just because it is rich in magnesium.
Since large corporations - that control the FDA and European food authorities - have a vast interest in diary products, the propaganda pushes diary products to the masses. Even you admitted that the industrial diary products are not so good. I said several times that I am not worried about raw milk, I am talking about diary products which is accessible by 99.999% of the population, so I am not sure why so upset about that raw milk topic.
No hard feeling from my part as well, it was a very good discussion and I leave it with this.
I am not sure what serious, terminal illness you have that drinking raw milk for 3 days could cure you...
So don't delude yourself that everyone else who has gut dysbiosys will be cured only with 100% vegan diet. At times, I was eating all vegetables before over the past 3 years, but it did not cure me. I tried so many different diets and supplements.
I have just quoting this one sentence of yours because it probably summarizes the source of our misunderstanding. I never stated that plant based diet is a universal solution to everything nor that it will cure gut dysbiosys. I have not stated that, because
a) I have no idea what gut dysbiosys is
b) I have been specifically talking about and focusing on heart disease, diabetes, the two biggest health issues for westerners.
Yes, beginning of our conversation I suggested that...
So don't delude yourself that everyone else who has gut dysbiosys will be cured only with 100% vegan diet. At times, I was eating all vegetables before over the past 3 years, but it did not cure me. I tried so many different diets and supplements.
I have just quoting this one sentence of yours because it probably summarizes the source of our misunderstanding. I never stated that plant based diet is a universal solution to everything nor that it will cure gut dysbiosys. I have not stated that, because
a) I have no idea what gut dysbiosys is
b) I have been specifically talking about and focusing on heart disease, diabetes, the two biggest health issues for westerners.
Yes, beginning of our conversation I suggested that...
No you told me that raw milk was very bad and that normally I am intelligent but I had lost my way on this one...
Before you preach, you should at least do your research on the topic you are preaching about.
I do very much appreciate the empathy and the concern and the willingness to help. Those are all very desirable human traits. And I applaud you for those traits.
The problem comes when know-it-all Westerners don't know it all but think they do and go stomping all over the place on others with their ignorance.
I admitted that vegan diet probably has benefits and even that for heart disease might be critical. Yet you persisted to shove down my throat that I was ignorant about not being 100% vegan.
I am not sure yet what is the correct diet for me. I am trying to experiment and isolate the variables.
Thanks and please no hard feelings. I just have to tell you frankly, because I tried to be nice but then I was being called dumb.
... raw, grass-fed goat's (A1 casein) milk, when you have apparently been too lazy to search for counter arguments to the acid hypothesis you promulgated.
I'm not trying to split hairs, but you've made the same error a few times now. A1 beta-casein is the bad stuff. The healthy protein from goat's milk is A2.
Thanks. Actually I was thinking I had juxtaposed it and just dealing with too many issues all of a sudden to get back to checking and correcting. I typically replay in mind everything I write over and over, I have that sort of memory (which helps a lot with programming, one time I lost 300 lines of code and was able to rewrite it verbatim from memory). Actually this trait is annoying because sometimes I can't turn it off, and one of the reasons I like sports to release that addictive mental mode.
Very tumultuous and mostly non-sleep, borderline fever perhaps and very watery diarrhea. Definitely my M.S. symptoms correlate with gut dysbiosys. Is the M.S. causing the gut dysbiosys or vice versa (or are they both in synergistic mode)?
I had a lot of pain in my gut all night. More so than usual. Note I made the error of eating bread last night when we were out at the mall to buy more glass jars, stainless large pot for collecting the milk, and an ice chest for the long drive when fetching the raw milk. So that might have exacerbated my symptoms. But I am not sure, because I am not sure if the dysbiosys is in my upper intestive, lower or colon. And it takes days to digest to the lower portion of the gut.
Apparently it takes 3 days for eaten food to make it to the colon. I note I ate a hamburger on Thursday (again due to being in the mall and having no other options for food, perhaps I should try the food court next time) and so exactly 3 days later was when this relapse began (it began after eating lunch after my excellent run). Also I first drank raw milk on Friday evening, so I don't know if some bacteria in that had made it to what ever area of my gut is in pain. The pain is moving around too as the food moves through my intestines and colon apparently.
So I just don't know yet what is the trigger. Need more experimentation.
I don't really feel like driving far, but I will force myself and hope without incident.
And you tried to tell me that raw milk is bad and in fact it appears to perhaps be the cure!
Aren't you the least bit shamed for potentially giving me disinformation that could have prevented me from being cured if I had listened to you!
That's a great news you are cured. e solution for your problem.
The low reading comprehension is very frustrating to deal with. Did I say I was surely cured.
I had a lot of pain in my gut all night. More so than usual. Note I made the error of eating bread last night when we were out at the mall to buy more glass jars, stainless large pot for collecting the milk, and an ice chest for the long drive when fetching the raw milk. So that might have exacerbated my symptoms. But I am not sure, because I am not sure if the dysbiosys is in my upper intestive, lower or colon. And it takes days to digest to the lower portion of the gut.
Apparently it takes 3 days for eaten food to make it to the colon. I note I ate a hamburger on Thursday (again due to being in the mall and having no other options for food, perhaps I should try the food court next time) and so exactly 3 days later was when this relapse began (it began after eating lunch after my excellent run). Also I first drank raw milk on Friday evening, so I don't know if some bacteria in that had made it to what ever area of my gut is in pain. The pain is moving around too as the food moves through my intestines and colon apparently.
So I just don't know yet what is the trigger. Need more experimentation.
I don't really feel like driving far, but I will force myself and hope without incident.
And you tried to tell me that raw milk is bad and in fact it appears to perhaps be the cure!
Aren't you the least bit shamed for potentially giving me disinformation that could have prevented me from being cured if I had listened to you!
That's a great news you are cured. e solution for your problem.
The low reading comprehension is very frustrating to deal with. Did I say I was surely cured.
If I have my health back, I am truly blessed and I won't waste the opportunity to get back into top athletic condition.
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If this health improvement sustains, then ...
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If this health improvement sustains, then ...
... then you further attack me with comments questioning if I was ever extremely sick, just because lately I have discovered a diet and treatment regimen that appears to be working well at least for the past 5 days (which is not enough time to be totally confident yet).
As I wrote earlier today, 5 or 6 days is not enough time to be confident of a cure or permanent improvement in health. About an hour after riding that high feeling, the horrible symptoms returned with a vengeance and I've been bed ridden the entire afternoon and evening unable to work with all the horrible symptoms that I loath, such as severe fatigue, bad headache, gut pain, and cramping, painful feet.
Note I ate even more wild grown leafy green vegetables today than prior days. But I didn't drink any raw grass-fed goat's milk today, because my liter sample was depleted the prior night.
So tomorrow I am ready to purchase 11 liters and we will see if the raw goat's milk is indeed the excelsior. It might just be a cycle I go through after hard exercise. Again there are many variables to isolate and correlate, so it is too early to jump to conclusions. I will just say I felt really, really good after drinking the goat's milk, so it will be interesting to see what result I get tomorrow.
I need to sleep now and wake up 5am to arrive by 7am at the distant farm for the milking time.
Note I ate even more wild grown leafy green vegetables today than prior days. But I didn't drink any raw grass-fed goat's milk today, because my liter sample was depleted the prior night.
So tomorrow I am ready to purchase 11 liters and we will see if the raw goat's milk is indeed the excelsior. It might just be a cycle I go through after hard exercise. Again there are many variables to isolate and correlate, so it is too early to jump to conclusions. I will just say I felt really, really good after drinking the goat's milk, so it will be interesting to see what result I get tomorrow.
I need to sleep now and wake up 5am to arrive by 7am at the distant farm for the milking time.
... raw, grass-fed goat's (A1 casein) milk, when you have apparently been too lazy to search for counter arguments to the acid hypothesis you promulgated.
I'm not trying to split hairs, but you've made the same error a few times now. A1 beta-casein is the bad stuff. The healthy protein from goat's milk is A2.
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altcoinUK, please be careful what conclusions you draw from the work of T. Colin Campbell in The China Study. It's been so heavily debunked that it's considered by many respected experts to be junk science.
Wanna see the real science? This is what happens when you compare Campbell's claims against his own data:
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
Sorry, but that's some pretty damning material.
And just for fun, here's a debate between T. Colin Campbell and Loren Cordain on human protein requirements. Notice that Cordain's arguments contain over 150 citations to research studies, while Campbell's argument contains no citations at all:
http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf
TL;DR T. Colin Campbell's The China Study is evidence of nothing but fraud.
Thanks for the link, it is very interesting. Please note, I have never stated the plant based diet lowers the chance of cancer. I am aware of that most studies point out that plant based diet has no statistically measurable effect on cancer. As for the cardiovascular section, I think there is a hypothesis was thrown at Campbell's hypothesis. Since hypothesis vs hypothesis, I can't see anything else than intellectual back and forth (some calls it who is the biggest dick competition) between two scientists.
I wouldn't like to get into the debate whether Campbell's study is a junk science or not. Firstly I am not a scientist, long time ago, at the time they called like that, I was trained to be a computer programmer, so I am not qualified to make the judgement whether a study is junk science or not. Researches and studies funded by large pharmaceuticals will naturally conclude that Campbell's study is a junk science. After all Campbell is a serious threat to a $100 billion revenue stream (I understand the link you quoted is not funded by those crocs). It was no study in the history of science when another scientist wouldn't like to disproof the theory by most of times asserting a new hypothesis, so when from 10 scientists 5 support Campbell's view, another 5 says it is a junk science then I see that as a usual back and forth between scientists.
For me the most important is, that based on the theme and educational work of Campbell the cure of heart diseases and diabetes is starting to take a new path. Not to mention, it saved me a major heart surgery and saved the life by reversing the condition for almost all heart disease and diabetes patients who have undertaken the plant based i.e. not processed food based diet. One thing is sure: when you are on a plant based diet, eating lots of vegetable, fruit and not consuming processed food then your processed sugar intake is zero, your trans fat, hydrogenated oils, corn syrup intake is zero as well. No wonder the condition of heart diseases and diabetes patients is dramatically reversed once they get on plant based diet.
I am hoping this conversation will help a few young men of this thread when they are getting older, and then their doctors will tell that your cholesterol is getting high or it seems you are having diabetes issues. Or when someone from their family is having such issues. (since heart disease and diabetes are the biggest killer there is a good chance either the young men of this thread or their family members will experience with those diseases). And then I hope they will remember at the time - when the diseases are not critical yet - they have the option to go to a 3 months plant based diet (first just try it and see if it is doable). And then, they will see how the indicators of life dangerous high cholesterol and diabetes will be lowered.
And you tried to tell me that raw milk is bad and in fact it appears to perhaps be the cure!
Aren't you the least bit shamed for potentially giving me disinformation that could have prevented me from being cured if I had listened to you!
That's a great news you are cured.
I am not sure what serious, terminal illness you have that drinking raw milk for 3 days could cure you, but since I am not doctor, better if I not speculate on that. For the very same reason, that I am not Prof. Dr. AltcoinUK PhD BMed but a random fucker I am not ashamed that I shared my opinion on an Internet forum. I assumed from the beginning that with your intellect you will make the decision on your own with regards to the solution to your problem, but please believe me that I shared my opinion with the best intention.
So don't delude yourself that everyone else who has gut dysbiosys will be cured only with 100% vegan diet. At times, I was eating all vegetables before over the past 3 years, but it did not cure me. I tried so many different diets and supplements.
I have just quoting this one sentence of yours because it probably summarizes the source of our misunderstanding. I never stated that plant based diet is a universal solution to everything nor that it will cure gut dysbiosys. I have not stated that, because
a) I have no idea what gut dysbiosys is
b) I have been specifically talking about and focusing on heart disease, diabetes, the two biggest health issues for westerners.
Yes, beginning of our conversation I suggested that perhaps you could try plant based diet instead of taking the saturated fat rich diary products and meat. By now, I understand that you have already tried it, in fact you had been eating vegetables for 3 years (which is not equivalent with vegan diet but never mind), such diet didn't help you and now, thanks God, you found out that raw milk is the solution to your problem. I couldn’t be happier if raw milk sort out your Multiple Sclerosis. As I said at the beginning I have nothing but respect to you, and it would be great if you could sort out your health problem so we could read lot longer your posts on economy, society, computer science, etc.
I believe, we are trying to say the same thing. I do that with my bad English and of course you do that with your exceptional intellect and as always with your very educated posts. We are saying that the corrupt political system allows large corporations to poison the population with processed food aka sugar, trans fat, hydrogenated oils, corn syrup and the sockpuppets of large food companies in the FDA assist to that.
Which I have been asserting is that by taking plant based diet, by definition there isn't any sugar intake nor trans fat nor corn syrup nor hydrogenated oils consumption. No wonder heart disease and diabetes is non-existent in cases when the diet is plant based, or the condition could be reversed once the patient undertake plant based diet. If the individual is not a religious vegan and eat low fat fish/seafood (without oil) regularly like I do, then you could get the benefits of low fat protein, Omega 3, etc. which (i.e. the large quantity of vegetables combined with small amount of fish without oil) probably makes Japanese the longest living people. That's all I am saying from the beginning. And again I am very happy you could find the solution for your problem.
... raw, grass-fed goat's (A1 casein) milk, when you have apparently been too lazy to search for counter arguments to the acid hypothesis you promulgated.
I'm not trying to split hairs, but you've made the same error a few times now. A1 beta-casein is the bad stuff. The healthy protein from goat's milk is A2.
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altcoinUK, please be careful what conclusions you draw from the work of T. Colin Campbell in The China Study. It's been so heavily debunked that it's considered by many respected experts to be junk science.
Wanna see the real science? This is what happens when you compare Campbell's claims against his own data:
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
Sorry, but that's some pretty damning material.
And just for fun, here's a debate between T. Colin Campbell and Loren Cordain on human protein requirements. Notice that Cordain's arguments contain over 150 citations to research studies, while Campbell's argument contains no citations at all:
http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf
TL;DR T. Colin Campbell's The China Study is evidence of nothing but fraud.
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