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Further confirmation today. This is the day after a brutal athletic day where normally I should be bed ridden or at best exhausted and struggling if I try to do any athletic activity.

Just powered through a 2.25 kms run like it was nothing. I was even accelerating towards the end of the run and not my recent past of struggling not to pass out before I reached the end of the run.

Run at 12 noon in Mindanao (near the equator) on a blazing hot day with the bright sun out, officially 32 Celsius (90 F) and 66% humidity. Given I ran on the concrete roads of the subdivision, add a few degrees. And I was amazed that I was actually feeling moments of being cold (or cool) on the run. One of the things I had noticed with the Multiple Sclerosis (which is one of the listed symptoms) is that I had become much less heat tolerant. My entire life I was like a snake who loved the heat. I would seek out the heat daily to warm up. Lately I had difficulty handling the heat.  But today not!

That begins with you not asserting that I have hole in my logic about calcium, enzymes, amino acids, and other nutrients of raw, grass-fed goat's (A1 casein) milk, when you have apparently been too lazy to search for counter arguments to the acid hypothesis you promulgated.

Civility means raising a point in a non-personalized manner (do you think I am intelligent and then suddenly I got stupid about a health issue that is crucial to everything in my life right now, it just boggles my mind how you could possibly think I would  ) and also means not being too lazy to try to prove a hypothesis is weak before proposing it as a strong hypothesis and even accusing me of being myopic.

The mirror is looking at you man. Look into it. Admit your error. Man up. I do.


And you implied the same of me yet what makes me more livid is you are the one who is doing what you accused me of (being myopic).

I find this trait of humans very very despicable. I like people who man up and strive to correct their weaknesses.

I don't think you've really gone overboard with it. And thus I apologize for the curse words. But come on man, calling the kettle black when you got soot all over yourself.

You could begin right now by admitting your mistake, yet still you insist (against all logic) below...


Why can't you understand that I have been extremely ill. I have been every second of every day struggling to find a cure. I have been struggling to not fall apart, by summoning effort from the bowels of nothing left inside of me, due to extreme will power. Yet still I was losing the battle.

Then apparently I discover the cure (fingers crossed!) that an ultra focus on putting probiotics and raw foods into my body, with a final coup of drinking raw goat's milk which is like a cream from heaven for the gut (I could feel it soothe my gut from the instant I took my first gulp). And then as I've been gaining slowly some improvement over the past 6 days as I had documented every day here mentioning that I had taken 20,000 IU vitamin D3 daily, had really focused my eating and including several cups of raw leafy wild grown greens daily, and documenting that my defecation had been restored to every morning (versus once or twice a week since the fasting). And also my noting that before the fasting I had been eating too much supermarket chicken, beef, and pork.

So then yesterday, I get a breakthrough day. What is difficult to understand about that?

There has been much research linking the autoimmunity of Multiple Sclerosis with gut dysbiosys. And in my case, it appears to be strongly proven to be the case based on circumstantial evidence even without clinical lab confirmation.

If you (or klee or anyone else) doubts my suffering over the past 3 years, then I will have a boat load of curse words for them, because I and everyone who has been around me has observed the severe suffering I have endured.

Why does it require so many written words to explain such simple points? Why are you (and klee and others) so slow to comprehend   I just can't fathom how readers can be so incapable of reading or of interpreting words in such obtuse ways that don't mesh with the common sense way of interpreting.


Who ever said Kobe and I haven't sourced our food from supermarkets our entire lives? I never wrote anything to the contrary.

I have made it abundantly clear that only recently have I sourced raw foods (here in Mindanao, Philippines where I am). I have also provided numerous links showing that it is also possible to do so in the USA. I don't know about there in the UK. Perhaps Tesco has you all fenced in, but seems I did see UK farms in that video of the Lotus Elise with the Hayabusa engine.

Just because you and most humans (including myself until recently) are too ill informed and unmotivated to go obtain food that is healthy, has logically nothing to say about a factual discussion about which foods are healthy (although it is a potential explanation for why such discussions end up non-factual, religious, unscientific, and illogical).


Has it even occurred to you that if you take people who are eating industrialized poisons which are not food, and you feed them instead farmed vegetables which less of a poison even though not ideal balanced health, then you may likely get an abatement of the worst symptoms of dietary disease.

Yet that doesn't prove anything about whether a 100% vegan diet is the optimum balanced diet.

If the baseline is absolute poison, then anything that is not poison can be better. But that doesn't mean that anything is optimum.

This is just Logic 101.


I have already explained that you started by making this painful for me. You attacked me personally with an invalid acid hypothesis, and then you further attack me with comments questioning if I was ever extremely sick, just because lately I have discovered a diet and treatment regimen that appears to be working well at least for the past 5 days (which is not enough time to be totally confident yet).

I had even stated that I was not against your vegan diet especially for treating very serious heart disease. But that I wanted to look at this factually as to whether 100% vegan is optimum.

And you have persisted religiously instead of scientifically (which is normal nonsense behavior for religious vegans!). It is just more of that same Western culture that I hate so much where they think they can fix the world and they think they are correct, yet they are fucking incorrect on almost everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that is why the West will collapse. I am so tired of white women and their condescending crap. And now also I see the men have the same bad habits in their culture.

Indeed both smooth and I had already agreed with you up thread that in a life threatening condition such as heart disease, then if veganism provides a big improvement and is readily available, then definitely that is the go to option.

But that is not the discussion we've been having since that admission. Instead we've been having a discussion about optimum diet and also how to cure my gut dysbiosis and concomitant Multiple Sclerosis. And you tried to tell me that raw milk is bad and in fact it appears to perhaps be the cure!

Aren't you the least bit shamed for potentially giving me disinformation that could have prevented me from being cured if I had listened to you!

With your allusions to Kobe Byrant, you assume that I am somehow different than others who are suffering from gut dysbiosis and other concomitant ramifications of it, but that was not my point in raising the fact that I have strong will power. My will power has nothing to do logically with whether I am cured by any particular diet.

So don't delude yourself that everyone else who has gut dysbiosys will be cured only with 100% vegan diet. At times, I was eating all vegetables before over the past 3 years, but it did not cure me. I tried so many different diets and supplements. You have no idea how much I struggled to find a cure!

It appears the key insight is the raw WILD GROWN leafy veggies because I cited that clinical study up thread that showed these can raise the diversity of gut microflora. And couple this with the amazing boost I got from the RAW, GRASS-FED, NATIVE BREED goat's milk.

altcoinUK, I apologize for my use of curse words last night before I slept. I was feeling my competitive desires last night after watching Gilas Philippines lose to China in the Final for the Fiba cup, which means Philippines got the silver medal won't automatically get a berth to the coming Olympics. I was particularly upset with them missing so many foul shots. These guys are on the national team and they should be waking up at 5am to shoot several hundred foul shots per day until they have perfected their shooting stroke. Also the naturalized-citizen NBA import Blanche looked so lazy and out of condition. I have been so sick for so long and thought I would never again be able to compete and so these guys don't have the same thirst for winning that can only come from knowing how precious the gift is they've been given.

So my point is I was pissed off that these Gilas guys are being lazy and unfocused, and then I see you doing the same thing, being too lazy to read the sources I cited and also from the start of your presentation extrapolating without even attempting to find counter arguments to your preferred confirmation bias. Also do note that you wrote that I am intelligent but this calcium point was an example where I had messed up. So instead of raising a factual discussion without any personalization, you started the discussion by trying to assert that I have a hole in my logical analysis of an issue. So you set me up to react to you with more disdain for your sloppy analysis.

I stick to my point that you are doing junk science. You extrapolate your religious experience with vegetables to everything without any shred of proof to combat the 1000s of years of history of what man has been eating. For example, with the fractured bones datum, I don't even know if those studies have factored out increased drug use and medications in the Western world, i.e. Western medicine. Etc, etc, etc..

Common sense would tell you that the first and most suspect to look at would be what has changed to man's diet in the past 100 years and especially since WW2 where the corporate-military-fascist establishment had taken over the Western world and turned it into this Frankenstein world that the baby boomers love so much.

On a positive note, I woke up this morning feeling 100% normal after a very intense athletic day yesterday. Since I have been more acutely ill since May 2012, I always feel like shit after a hard exercise day. So this is quite a remarkable day for me. Even my gf asked me in disbelief this morning, "no pains, no headache, no numbness in your legs, not feeling tired?". I responded, that only a very slight feeling tinges of those former ailments, but mostly feeling that my stomach is very empty and asked her to go buy some wild leafy greens and raw tuna for my morning meal. If I have my health back, I am truly blessed and I won't waste the opportunity to get back into top athletic condition.

Also I think right now (Sunday) is the time to start programming full speed again. Last night my mind was very active and contemplating all sorts of algorithms and ideas. This is the way I normally am but had lost this due to being so ill.

If this health improvement sustains, then we can conclude with high degree of certainty that my illness was due to gut dysbiosys and also add another anecdotal pledge that raw milk may have been involved in the cure. The author of gutcritters.com also credits raw milk to the cure of his gut dysbiosis.

I think all of us want to get some results and too much talk we've been doing.

I suggest to keep this conversation civil. I am having just enough that virtually none of your posts could be without a personal insult about my reading ability, intelligence, etc.  I fully understand one day you are in the league of Kobe Bryant and you are super athlete (who won nothing with this exceptional mentality and ability by the way, so I am not sure WTF are we talking about), other day you can't even get out from bed because you are so ill, but you feel qualified to educate others how to be healthy, but again, lets keep it civil.
 
To get back to the topic, yes, just like 99.999% of normal, average, working persons do, I got my food from supermarkets or restaurants  before my heart disease developed. I think that's what people - apart from Kobe Bryant and the likes - do: go to supermarket or eat in restaurants. According to health statistics heart disease is the biggest killer, so no wonder average people like me get it. And then, I listened to remarkable scientists such as Caldwell Esselstyn and T. Colin Campbell, got myself into their programs and then the heart condition was reversed  - just like many thousands other heart patients who had undertaken the diet had similar result.

I am going though on the pain of discussing this issue with you and listening you personal insults, because statistics indicate that majority of young readers of this thread will be experiencing one way or other with heart disease or diabetes (because yes, they are buying the fucking food from conventional sources such as supermarket) and I hope what I put here can help them before the heart disease develops or even after, when they are having a heart disease and they are in serious trouble, in most of the cases in life dangerous situation.

So now we find out you were eating Frankenstein poison (not grass-fed, no hormones, no genetic modified meat) which may explain why you ended up with heart disease.

It is no wonder that Westerners are sick. They don't eat food.

I bet even the vegetables you eat are farmed and not wild.

It is very frustrating to deal with people who have very low reading comprehension.

What did I say? Did those studies measure people who drink raw, grass-fed, A1 casein milk or those who drink some Frankenstein poison that is mislabeled "milk".

Thus you willfully are writing disinformation.

The scientific method doesn't seem to be something you comprehend.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/18/the-milk-myth-what-your-body-really-needs.aspx


You assume lack of calcium is responsible for greater fractures when in fact could be too much calcium that increases fractures, or it could even be the fluoride in our water and toothpaste in the West:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/11/11/fluoride-intake-increases-bone-fractures.aspx
http://fluoridealert.org/content/ifin-138/
http://fluoridation.com/bones.htm

Also even for example in the Philippines where they don't consume much dairy and where they don't play tackle football or do the risky activities we Westerners do habitually, they also eat a lot of fish which is high in calcium and more importantly has many nutrients.

And didn't I answer that I think in this context your raw milk is quite irrelevant as 99.999% of people simply unable to get your raw milk? The messages that milk is good for you has been pushed to people for decades, and all I am saying is, researches indicate that consuming the supermarket milk is not good for your health. Since 99.999% of consumers never can get raw milk why do wee need to debate the raw milk issue.

Terms of the raw milk risks, many scientists point out that the the all kind of bacteria in raw milk actually exposes you to more health risks than benefit. I am not sure if that the case, but I am just mentioning that there are lots of concerns with regards to that.

I have a few actually, and all of them are meat eaters :-))) they are adults and love to eat steak and all those nice meats which I loved so much. I asked them, when you will get to your 30s then remember what happened to me and how my heart disease was reveresed (just like many thousands other heart patients had), because I am sure my children are genetically programmed - just like me- to have issues with cholesterol and fat deposit on the artery.

Originally I had tried to source my raw goat's milk from a foreigner in the adjacent subdivision who buys pasteurized goat's milk from the same location I purchased mine and he sells that in his small store nearby.

While I was there at this house speaking with him last week, this very frail, thin girl came over to hug him. Her arms weren't more than 1 inch in diameter! And I said, "is that your daughter and is she about 6 years old?". He replied, "no that is my son and he is 12". I was shocked.

Well then as I was explaining to him my health issue and why I wanted the RAW goat's milk, he told me that everyone in his family is 100% vegan. Ah so then it made sense how he stunted the growth of his son and turned him effeminate, and destroying the life of a child with some nonsense diet.

He proceed to try to talk me out of pursuing diet changes other than going 100% vegan and tried to convince me to go see his Korean acupuncturist. I told him frankly that I was going to pursue diet and probiotics first and I didn't want to risk messing up my intestines worse with needle punctures (even if the pressure points are not the intestines) nor with fad diets that might deplete the mucus lining of the intestine.

I believe he was offended, because he never did send me an SMS as promised, so I never got his number. Which is just for the better in any way.

altcoinUK, I hope you don't have a child.

OK.

Statistic and data clearly indicates that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population, while counties with high diary consumption is on the top of the hip and other fracture statistics. Your quoted research doesn't invalidate that fact, just like the beneficial effects of plant based diet with regards to heart disease and diabetes is a fact.

I would also like you stop spreading nonsense that will harm the health of readers, especially that in one day you can't get out from bed, at other day you are in the league of Kobe Bryant, therefore your cases the 1 in a million odd one while the recovery of heart disease and diabetes patients from plant based diet is exclusively happening to all patients who undertake such diet.

I am fucking saying about milk that 99.9999% of population has no access to your miraculous raw milk and therefore they will get the crap from the supermarket milk. Most importantly, as I pointed out, regardless it is raw milk or pasteurized milk, milk causes calcium deficit. I explained the biological correction which the response of human body to milk - which results in calcium deficit.

I quoted studies and researches - in the meantime you are keep referring to your personal case which is frankly quite exceptional as
a) you are having a potentially terminal illness and apparently some days you feel so bad that you can't even get out from bed
b) terms of your exercise regime at other days you are in the league of Kobe Bryant and other world class top athletes
c) you have the luxury to get your food from the best natural resources of the world

I am sorry, that's not typical, but you suggest that we must make from your experience a general conclusion, one that should be applicable to the masses. It is not possible because your case is not typical. I am talking about typical and normal cases. I have been trying to point out what is relevant to the majority of population, even to the audience of this forum, to young males in their twenties: all of them will experience with heart disease or diabetes or high blood pressure (or both in many cases) due to personally they will have or one of their family members will suffer from that, statistic indicates that will happen. These are diseases that could reversed and cured with plant based and vegan diet, and not eating the crap pushed to supermarket shelves by large corporations: engineered meat, diary products, trans fat, corn syrup (90% of foods have that) and hydrogenated oils, i.e. processed food.

You classify as bullshit the logical conclusions that was derived from large data samples, in most of cases over many years of independent research. In contrast to the biological facts, studies and researches that I have quoted, you argue with your personal experience which include days when you are in the league with Kobe Bryant as well as days when you can't get out from bed.

Anyway, I am happy you feel better, try to keep yourself that way :-))))

EDIT:
I really don't want to validate any vegan diet. Especially that I eat fish and seafood. All I am saying is, researches and reports from patients who are willing to undertake plant based diet indicate that plant based diet  in majority of cases reverses heart disease and diabetes. The exactly same happened to me as well what researches indicate will happen once you get on plant based diet. The majority of population will experience with heart disease and diabetes.

I am sorry but there is so much bullshit out there on the internet. You can't just cite everything you read as fact because it isn't:

http://chriskresser.com/does-dairy-cause-osteoporosis/
http://www.drcate.com/raw-milk-why-mess-with-udder-perfection/
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/raw-milk-vs-pasteurized-milk/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/18/the-milk-myth-what-your-body-really-needs.aspx
http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-raw-foods-glutathione/

First of all you can't leap to cite any shit about milk, because ostensibly none of the research is being done with raw, grass fed, A1 casein milk. Pasteurized milk isn't milk. Grain fed milk isn't milk. A2 casein GENETICALLY MODIFIED cows don't produce milk. Rather those are Frankenstein foods where all the enzymes and micro-nutrients have been destroyed. I suggest you pasteurize your GENETICALLY MODIFIED vegetables (and add heapings of pesticides and fertilizer to bring them to parity with Frankenstein Holstein cow's shit we drink), then run some studies on how unhealthy vegetables are.

arielbit pointed out up thread this point that cows that were fed the wrong shit couldn't even sustain their own calves.

It amazes me that people can't figure these basic things out and fall for that disinformation as you did. Sigh.

Why did my toothache subside after drinking lots of raw milk? Why did I have some of the strongest bones for a small 169cm guy who played American football (the helmet) and NEVER BROKE A BONE even though I did break the bones of some of the other players!

There is no way you can make a sane argument that native diary and native animal meat are unhealthy. That is absolute nonsense for idiots who can't discern between modern Frankenstein poisons that we label as "food" and the actual food that nature has produced for 1000s of years.

If raw milk is so bad, then please explain to me why today on my day after drinking raw milk, I had a miraculous day which is the first day in years where I felt incredibly strong.

I had the most intense sports day today. How can I describe my day? It is unbelievable. Here is 11pm and I am still jumping touching the ceiling. I powered through a barbell workout jumping around between sets and just exploding all over the place. I powered through very heavy weight like it was nothing.

I was running back and forth full speed on the full court basketball at midday tropical heat in the Philippines and not getting tired. I was exploding to rim with a power I thought was gone forever. After exploding to the rim, instead of feeling like I was ready to collapse, I was jumping, growing like a lion, and headed back down the court full speed to fly in the air and bam again two hand finger roll right near the lip of rim. A 50 fucking year old man who just last week could hardly fucking get out of bed.

What did you fucking say about milk  

(you have a confirmation bias and seek anything which can validate your vegan diet as being the best, thus you do not attempt to view the question objectively. It would make no sense at all that what humans have been eating for 1000s of years would be unhealthy for humans. Just a little common sense about the preponderance of time scales would tell you that your nonsense of the current day fad and disinformation is just that.)

P.S. I am back to 70 kg. So I gained 5 kg in roughly a week. And this isn't all fat gain. I am still looking very lean and muscles fibers very visible. This is muscle gain mostly. I really made a big jump in muscle mass from that day of drinking raw milk and eating native chicken and goat. When I woke up this morning, I felt like an ox.

I also suggest the "Forks Over Knives" documentary, but yeah, the "Food Inc." is probably the most shocking and educational.

additional info from "Nutritional and physical degeneration" by DR. Weston A. Price
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   Several incidents of special interest occurred. Two different
teachers came to me to inquire what had been done to make a particular
child change from one of the poorest in the class in capacity to learn
to one of the best. Dental caries is only one of the many expressions
of our modern deficient nutritions.

   I have referred to the importance of a high vitamin butter for
providing the fat-soluble activators to make possible the utilization
of the minerals in the foods. In this connection, it is of interest
that butter constitutes the principal source of these essential factors
for many primitive groups throughout the world. In the high mountain
and plateau district in northern India, and in Tibet, the inhabitants
depend largely upon butter made from the milk of the musk ox and the
sheep for these activators. The butter is eaten mixed with roasted
cereals, is used in tea, and in a porridge made of tea, butter and
roasted grains. In Sudan Egypt, I found considerable traffic in high
vitamin butter which came from the higher lands a few miles from the
Nile Basin. This was being exchanged for and used with varieties of
millet grown in other districts. This butter, at the temperature of
that area, which ranged from 90° to 110° Fahrenheit, was, of
course, always in liquid form. Its brilliant orange color testified to
the splendid pasture of the dairy animals. The people in Sudan,
including the Arabs, had exceptionally fine teeth with exceedingly
little tooth decay (Chapter 9). The most physically perfect people in
northern India are probably the Pathans who live on dairy products
largely in the form of soured curd, together with wheat and vegetables.
The people are very tall and are free of tooth decay.

   Probably every housewife is familiar with the low melting quality
of the butter produced in early summer when the cows have been put on
the green pastures. This is particularly true of butter that has the
grassy flavor and the deep yellow to orange color. This butter is
usually several times as high in fat-soluble activators including
vitamins A and D as butter produced from stall fed cattle or cattle on
poorer pasturage. In Chapter 15, I have explained why this butter is
not favorable for shipping and why dairymen so frequently give the cows
a ration that will produce less of these qualities. One of the
principal foods used for accomplishing this is made of cotton seed meal
and cereals.

   There are many illustrations of the low efficiency of this type
of fodder for providing vitamins essential for dairy products. In one
of the recent severe droughts in the Mississippi Valley several
thousand cattle were shipped to Ohio for water and green pasture as a
means of saving their lives. They were fed enroute on concentrates said
to consist of cotton seed meal and grain. Professor Oscar Erf of the
Department of Dairying of Ohio State University has given me the
following detailed information:


   With reference to the cattle from the
south-western and central-northern states of the drought area which
were brought into Ohio in the fall of 1935 on a 600 acre farm north of
Delaware, will say that I had the privilege of viewing some of these
cattle previous to the time that they were brought to Ohio in 1935.
Because of the extreme drought period and the hot sun, it was rare to
see green grass on the prairies. The sedges were nearly all dried up.
The tumbleweed was about the only thing that was available for the
cattle in some instances. The corn was dried up and very little green
was in evidence. In the particular location that I was in we found the
cattle suffering terribly. Many had infected eyes.

   There were a good many deaths on the plains which
were literally dried up. Sometimes there was even a small amount of
decomposition after death. In the fall, those that survived on the
plains, were loaded up and driven to the corrals, loaded into cars and
sent east. Only the good ones were loaded and even a large number of
these passed out in transit.

   I was informed that the crop of grass the year
before was very scant. Consequently, a large number of calves were born
with weak eyes and these were the early ones to pass out on the plains.
The low vitality of the individuals which I considered was due to the
lack of vitamin A or the green grass factors was the cause of the
serious infection, however their being secondary to the primary
cause.

   The first train load of the twenty-eight hundred
cattle that were brought to this ranch were fed on green corn stalks.
There was a nine acre patch of corn in this area. The fences were taken
down one afternoon at 3 o'clock and by 9 o'clock there was no evidence
of stubbles or roots. This had all been eaten in a very short space of
time. We had quite a time getting hays and green stuff which we
demanded because of its carotin content and its green grass factor.
There was not enough grass available in the beginning so we had to buy
about 400 tons of hay a day to keep the animals fed. They got no grain
of any kind because it was a question of bringing the cattle to a more
or less normal condition with no intention of fattening the
animals.

   After they had made arrangements for feeding
operations and made feed racks in sufficient numbers, we went over the
herd to estimate the numbers that were blind and had sore eyes, which I
assume from past experience, was due to a vitamin A deficiency. As near
as we can estimate, nearly 8 12 animals were affected (29 per cent).
There were 157 calves born and approximately 50 per cent were deformed
and not normal. We did not get the complete figures but they probably
ranged a little higher than that. The worst infected cows were calves
and animals that were 18 to 20 months old. I could not get the story of
these individuals but they must have been in the area of dry grass for
2 years. There was a slight improvement in those that were not
seriously infected after they were fed here. They improved decidedly in
October and November and were practically all slaughtered before the
middle of December.


The milk of these vitamin deficient cows would not properly nourish
either their calves or human beings.

   Many children have tooth decay even while using whole milk, in
part because the milk is too low in vitamin content, due to the
inadequacy of the food given the cows. The means for improving this
condition have been discussed in Chapter 15.

   Some of the current theories of the chemistry of tooth decay
place the responsibility on the local condition in the mouth as
affected by the contributing factors provided by sugars and starches
which enhance the growth of acid producing organisms. A phase of this
has been closely related to the slogan that a clean tooth cannot decay.
Among the difficulties in applying this interpretation is the physical
impossibility of keeping teeth bacteriologically clean in the
environment of the mouth. Another difficulty is the fact that many
primitive races have their teeth smeared with starchy foods almost
constantly and make no effort whatsoever to clean their teeth. In spite
of this they have no tooth decay. In many of the primitive groups that
I have studied the process of modernization includes teaching oral
hygiene and prophylaxis. Yet, even with the addition of this important
adjunct to health, they have in most cases lost their immunity to tooth
decay and dental caries has become active. This will be seen in many of
the illustrations of the primitive races in the preceding chapters. Of
course everyone should clean his teeth, even the primitives, in the
interest of and out of consideration for others.
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You will see in the Milk? documentary Campbell, the scientist who produced the China Study which I have been quoting in the last few pages. The work of these remarkable scientists slowly but surely is getting to the mainstream media. Still, doctors learn very little about nutrition science during their university studies, which is quite shocking. Majority of the research programmes of those universities are funded by large pharmaceutical companies, no wonder doctors are trained to push the expensive medicines to the masses instead of trying to educate the patients about the source of the problem. After all, cholesterol, heart and diabetes medicines are a +$100 billion dollar business and the health services will pick up the bill (NHS in the UK). This is a gold mine for large pharmaceutical companies. Their comrades, the large food corporations cause the problem in the first place by poisoning the masses with sugar, trans fats and hydrogenated oils. In the meantime, the FDA is full of former executives from large food corporations. A perfect cycle: poisons that require expensive medicines. Doctors are happy, shareholders of large pharmaceutical companies are happy, politicians whom campaign supported by large pharmaceutical companies are happy, what could go wrong with this perfect system except that there are 10th of millions people suffer from completely avoidable heart and diabetes diseases.

My daily rant is over, have a nice day :-))))

Thanks! I watched Food Inc a few years back. I think a rewatch is in order. But perhaps I'll watch Milk? this evening.

"Milk?". I believe I watched this on Netflix. Please watch that, quite shocking.

However, in the context of this Totalitarianism thread the most interesting is "Food, Inc." available on Netflix. It reveals how large food corporation poison the mass population with  and by controlling FDA.

Do you happen to know the names of these documentaries off hand altcoinUK? I'm sure many of us would be interested to watch.

Actually, I believe, I do understand the mindset of top athletes, but yes, you are correct, I didn't assume that you are in the league of those top athletes.  
A very close friend of mine is an Olympic champion, two times world champion and 6 times European champion and I do understand what mental strength is required to get that result. Knowing his carrier, it is unreal what those top athletes can do to get the result. Apart from Christmas Day (his only day off from training in a year), he trained usually twice a day from age 8 to age 30, but again, the mentality of those athletes what is quite exceptional. It was thrown a lot of unfair problems to him on both personal and professional level (media, agents, sponsors, etc.), but nothing could detour him from training because he had one goal: to be a champion. He avoided any disagreements to be in the position to be able to train next day in order to become a champion. In the meantime, I was very good at football (still play a lot), but I said to my coaches/managers that fuck-off man, that's a bullshit when I didn't like something - no wonder that my carrier was limited to run around with arrogant fuckers like myself in league 4.



You are probably the smartest person by far here, you obviously know a lot, but this is the second time I have to correct you on a popular misconception about foods (the beneficial effects of olive oil was the first).

Milk actually reduces calcium in your bones. Similarly to all animal proteins, milk acidifies the body pH level, which then triggers a biological correction. Calcium is an excellent acid neutraliser and since the biggest storage of calcium in the body your bones, then the very same calcium in your bones is utilized to neutralize the acidic effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, and the net result is an actual calcium deficit. No wonder why statistics indicate that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population, while Denmark is on the top of the hip and other fracture statistics. A recent Swedish study published not long ago in the British Medical Journal points out that drinking three glasses of milk per day results in increased incidence of osteoporosis, bone fractures, and earlier mortality. These are independent university researches. On the other hand, as far as I know all researches/studies that suggest the benefits of milk (mainly the calcium myth) are funded by the diary industry.

Plant based sources of calcium such as leafy greens, nuts, dried basil are both healthier and more easily absorbed. One cup serving of soybean sprouts provides 46 per cent of daily calcium requirements which is the equivalent of a glass and a half of milk, except the soybean provides you with only 30 calories, which reduced calories intake is obviously better (for the vast majority of population). I fully understand by now that it is not applicable to you as you need an incredible amount of extreme calories for your top athlete regime, but 99.999% of the population is not in the league of Kobe Bryant and yourself, and therefore I think they should know that diary product is not good for human body (which I have been banging-on in the last few pages).

There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

I am sure you are having strong teeth despite of milk, and not because of milk. Your strong teeth most likely because of your genetics.

This link is interesting.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Because freedom is more valuable than the "common good". We are adults here, and we should be responsible for our own choices.

If one guy gets lungh cancer from smoking irresponsible all his life like a 5 year old, nor am I not responsible for that, nor shall I not pay for that. It's his fault, he should pay for it. If he ask me nicely, I might donate to him, but he has no right to steal that money from me though forced healthcare.

So, yes smoking is bad, but we should neither ban it, nor encourage it, nor create a ponzi scheme collectivist healthcare just so that then we should have the justification to ban it later.