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legendary
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October 03, 2015, 12:10:09 AM
No stats on ginger? I try to eat a few ounces a day. Cheap and my body loves it   Grin

Ginger is awesome.. grated ginger, corriander, tuna, avocado, cucumber and chilli, chop & stir them together makes a wicked poor mans meal  Cool

Yes (TPTB) you're right about there being no wild leafy things to eat here & most of the native shrubs are also poison..

Black berries were my favourite when I was a kid, now they're too risky due to being doused with poison wherever they pop up.

Unpasteurized milk is also outlawed, the "health food" aisle at the supermarket is all puffed grains & frankenstein spliced shit.

Food totalitarianism is really being shoved down everyones throats.
sr. member
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October 02, 2015, 09:50:15 PM
I am so happy to note that today I had my first perfect looking feces in a long time (months?). Perfect consistency, not too soft not too hard, not mushy nor sticking to side of toilet bowl like tar as it had been!

Today marks the start of the 5th day of not experiencing any significant symptoms, 4th day of pooping in the morning regularly, and 5th day of somewhat, gradually improving energy level. When I say improving energy level, the energy level has been still far too low to do everything at the pace I am accustomed to, except today I feel I might have that former stores of bursts of energy lurking (heading to gym to find out). My entire life I had been the EveryReady Energizer Bunny up until this malaise hit me around 2008 or so (worsening significantly in 2012). But I am also having some lingering conflicting condition today (as has been the case past 5 days), where I felt every so often a slight tinge of pain in my gut and a slight adverse feeling at my head and a slight numbness below the knee. As well, I still have the lingering cough and phlegm.

P.S. I forgot to mention I have increased my sea salt intake considering over the past few days.

OK. I misunderstood you then. I thought you are having a very serious, potentially terminal health condition, multiple sclerosis, but it seems you are in fact aiming to continue be an athlete while having such serious condition. I am not sure how the MS condition and an athletic lifestyle can coexist, but I hope you can manage it.

I have had very serious condition that made it very difficult to find the energy to walk down the stairs or even put on or take off my shoes.

But what may be difficult for you to grasp because you will not encounter many people like me unless you are around top athletes such as a Kobe Byrant or Lance Armstrong, is that even if I can't put my shoes on, somehow I will dig deep and force myself to go out and run 2 kms even though I feel as though I could collapse and pass out during the extremely arduous endeavor. Your average person wouldn't ever put themselves through such pain. You don't understand that what separates most athletes who play in the NBA from the superstars is not only talent, but more so that attitude that very few people have that they can endure massive amounts of pain and they subject themselves to intense gut wrenching effort to reach their goal.

Let me try to explain it to you this way. When I was a young boy up until my teenage years, I would relish pouring only scalding hot water (enough to burn my skin until it had cooled simply from the tub and my body absorbing much of the heat) in the bath tub and then counting how many seconds I could hold my breath completely submerged. I would only be able to get my toes in the water at first, because it burned so much, then slowly to my knee, then slowly until my entire body was in the water.

At age 5, I relished playing tackle football in my grass front yard every day striving to get as many bloody noses as I could.

In 10th grade, we did during the August tropical heat in New Orleans (32 degrees Celsius, 80 - 90% humidity) two 4 hour workouts a day. We were in full pads, helmet, and running and exerting non-stop for 8 hours daily in that intense sweltering heat and humidity. There were small flying bugs (gnats) flying all up in our helmets and we were tackling each other into the wet grass in the morning workout. I was literally so exhausted that I would not be able to move the entire lunch and night I would lay on a wooden floor and not move. I had to take salt tablets to deal with extreme cramping due to loss of sodium from perspiration.

So indeed, I have been fighting an absolutely debilitating condition. After I would exert myself, I'd collapse on the floor and I'd be lucky to raise my arm after an hour or so of laying there.

I told everyone my uncorrected vision declined from 20/40 to 20/70 from early August to late September. My condition was getting to the point where I was spending the vast majority of my days in bed. And I was losing function. So yes heading towards crippled or zombie and  pretty much that way already, except for me fighting it with all the effort I could muster in short bursts of teeth gritting, gut wrenching effort (crawl out of bed onto the concrete road and force the Go button, feeling like shit most of the entire run).

Also reflect on the theory which seems to have strong support in my case that M.S. is linked to gut bacterial dysbiosys, because we have more gut bacteria than human cells and we don't digest food without the correct diversity and balance of microflora and M.S. appears to be the disarray of dysfunctional synergy between metabolism and immune system. Thus correcting this condition appears to be about a synergy of diet, exercise, sleep, and probably also environmental inputs such as vitamin D3 from the sun and day light exposure of the eyes and skin to get the proper sleep cycle going.



But let's get back on topic. This week I began experiencing a toothache. Never in my life did I have cavities nor any problem with my teeth. Why? Because I drank milk until my 30s. I have very strong teeth.

Dairy is important for calcium also.

Indeed for those who have heart disease, I can see abstaining from any fats (of any source) as beneficial during the critical period of healing from that condition.

But what got you in that condition in the first place? It could be genetic predisposition, but it could also be about not getting enough exercise and about eating all those Frankenstein foods in our modern, industrialized world.

When I say you go too far and being a religion, I don't mean that you do it because of not wanting to hurt animals (frankly when we killed the 2 native chickens yesterday, I decided it didn't taste good enough to me or given me good enough feeling to justify seeing those chickens crying and facing their death...I'd rather eat tuna and maybe a goat who can provide a lot of meat for one death and also so much work to clean that chicken for so little meat). I mean that you assume that just because you put yourself into a very bad health state and needed a 100% vegan extremism to rectify that other extremism, it doesn't follow logically that extremism is the best balanced health ongoing. I would rather be scientific about it. I am not against the importance of raw leafy wild (unfarmed!) vegetables, but I am against unscientific extremism which doesn't mesh with indigenous experience. And I think unfarmed food sources may be a more important factor than extremism about avoiding diversity of food types.

Fact is that indigenous peoples are extremely healthy eating a balanced diet which includes some fats and animal products.

Rather it appears that the key distinction is they eat raw and naturally fed sources, no manufactured foods, and they get a good balance of probiotics naturally in their diet where it has been scientifically documented that they have 50% more diversity of gut microflora than we industrialized guinea pigs do. Also they are very physically active and exposed to the natural environment.

I tried eating all vegetables as I was ending my fasting. Granted these were lighted sauteed, not entire raw. And included some farmed vegetables. But I could not gain back my energy, muscle mass, sleep long enough, nor feel satiated for long enough time. I was also eating way too much fiber. I simply wasn't being cured and my health condition appeared to be getting worse in other ways (vision, teeth, exercise got worse, etc) although the headaches might have been slightly less (probably because there was less soluble food to leak from my apparently leaky gut).

I am willing to return to test an all raw wild vegan diet if the current experiment fails.
hero member
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October 02, 2015, 08:50:05 PM

You appear to be taking it too far into religion and no longer science.


I told you that I am enjoying nice tuna steaks, salmon, trout and all kind of seafood at least once a week so I am not a religious vegan at all. I have no issues with vegans who try to save animals, in the meantime I don't subscribe to their doctrine.
Which I thought was important to point out is that many studies, researches and my personal experience as well indicate that plant based/vegan diet is very beneficial and most of the cases substitute all medications for heart and diabetes cases (the biggest killers in the US and UK). Almost all those heart and diabetes patients who are disciplined and never eat meat experience with reversal, and even the less disciplined who eat fish like me have a very good result.


I am not sure yet which foods I need, but I guarantee you that I would be a skeleton if I ate only vegetables. There is no way I could carry the muscle mass that enables me to be an athlete.

I think raw WILD (not farmed!) vegetables are very important for the micronutrients, the probiotics, and other aspects. But I doubt very much that cutting out all saturated fat is optimum healthy for an athlete. Bill Walton's career was plagued with bone injuries probably because he was 100% vegan.


OK. I misunderstood you then. I thought you are having a very serious, potentially terminal health condition, multiple sclerosis, but it seems you are in fact aiming to continue be an athlete while having such serious condition. I am not sure how the MS condition and an athletic lifestyle can coexist, but I hope you can manage it.

That's great you feel well, try to stay healthy and active :-)))


sr. member
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October 02, 2015, 07:32:57 PM
OK, but where will the best people go?

Austin, Texas.

Oregon.

Kansas City.

Santiago, Chile.

New Zealand.

Melbourne, Australia.

Vancouver, Canada.

Etc..


Not California!

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37603

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Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California has advocated raising taxes for climate change as if paying more taxes could somehow alter the universe. Brown has also been staunchly against parents who protest against forced vaccinations.

A reader submitted:

“On September 29, one day before the ECM turning point, what was to be a peaceful attempt to overturn California’s Mandatory Vaccine Law called sb277 was mysteriously “sabotaged.” Governor Brown signed sb277 into law in July this year removing the parental personal beliefs exemption or religious beliefs exemption to vaccines in order for their children to attend school. The law now requires that children be fully vaccinated in accordance with the CDC scheduled or must be forcibly removed from public or private school from preschool on up to college.

Just a few weeks after the bill became law grassroots efforts filed a referendum to overturn the law. The parents opposing sb277 had to obtain approximately 360,000 signatures for the referendum to go to a ballot in 2016. Just weeks before the deadline, which was around September 29, a twitter message went out saying that they had at least 300,000 and many more were coming in. Days before the deadline sb277 supporters were very excited saying they thought they had almost 500,000 signatures.

Suddenly on September 29, something happened. An announcement came from somewhere, news reports, saying that the state only received about 100,000 signatures, the facebook page to the sb277 referendum campaign disappeared on September 30, and the leaders are suddenly not responding. months of effort just vanished. This is beyond crazy.

This is total war here between parents and the vaccine manufacturers who have bought out the politicians and turned this state into a medical dictatorship, right here, in the U.S.”
sr. member
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October 02, 2015, 06:43:28 PM
Wow raw goat's milk fresh (warm) from the goat's nipple to my glass jar in the ice filled ice chest!

The instant I drank that I knew that is what I needed! So very creamy and delicious, and amazingly great feeling in my digestion system. I slept 10 hours and woke up with incredible energy and absolutely no pain in my digestive system.

Well I can't be sure if this result was only due to the goat's milk, because I also ate fresh from the farm grass fed goat and native chicken yesterday also. Also I ate several cups of raw wild grown leafy vegetables.

I did not get sleepy and exhausted until 9pm. And I immediately felt the fat go into my buttocks and I awoken my skin tone and face looks so much healthier.

It is amazing to me that most of humanity is drinking that pasteurized shit and Holstein (A1 casein) poison cow's milk, and has no idea what raw grass fed milk tastes and feels like.

The grass fed meat is so very delicious. The native chicken tastes like wild game, and the taste is so much stronger than regular chicken. But the chicken didn't make me feel as good as when I ate the goat. The goat meat was not as strong tasting as beef and the texture was perfect. I would love to eat that goat meat a few times per week.

I am urging all of you with health issues to get raw goat's milk. I am sure you will find it delicious. I couldn't stop drinking it.

(so great to be able to drive again. We were all over Davao del Sur for 8 hours yesterday but only spent $10 of diesel fuel. $22 to fill up my 40 liter tank)

The price of the raw goat's milk here is 60 pesos (about $1.25) per liter. The price for a female goat is the range of $200 - $250. Imagine an animal which was never injected with antibiotics, deworming, etc. The goats roam freely in a big open area in a barn that has a raised wooden floor with slits that the feces falls through. When they are ready to milk then, all the baby goats go into a small corral and they know to do it when they are given the signal. They feed the goats the native grasses. They wipe the goat's nipple with bleach before milking and they cover the jar with a cheese cloth, so only the milk strains through.

Governments all around the world are typically against us obtaining raw milk.

I have a really hard time finding grass fed beef here in Australia (without travelling great distance and paying an arm and a leg for it)

And is it thousand year old A2 casein or one of those imflammation causing A1 casein Frankenstein breeds from the past century?

I read that all goats are A2 casein. And goat's milk has no lactose apparently. To me as best as I can remember, it tastes better than any cow's milk I ever drank.

You probably can't also get wild grown green leafy vegetables (e.g. chilis that grow in my front yard without any pesticides nor fertilizers) in Australia any more. Also I eat the leaves from the camote (sweet potato) tops, which are purple color. I eat the leaves without cooking them. Past few days doing this and feeling good.
hero member
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October 02, 2015, 02:59:59 PM
Warning: low content

Was relaxing after the work week with a few beers and good music, and figured this might be sort of on-topic in this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3Lc0VovrQ
Ask yourself a question, are you a blank file?

Its relevance today is astonishing especially given the song was written in 1999.


And one more for anyone seeking motivation for getting up and going out for a run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mmm6DFvoJ0
legendary
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October 02, 2015, 01:28:20 AM
Venison is also a very tasty wild animal, better than beef and the flavour isn't as strong as kangaroo.

I have a really hard time finding grass fed beef here in Australia (without travelling great distance and paying an arm and a leg for it)
legendary
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October 02, 2015, 12:48:39 AM
Compromises sure beats being a prole  Cool
legendary
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October 01, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
I certainly agree there is a difference in attitude between US and Europe in so many regards, which I think in it's plainest sense ultimately stems from the ancestors of northern america striking out and leaving the old world. It takes some balls to do that. Reading some of the stories of what those people achieved is pretty humbling to me

Don't forget the removal effect as well. When the boldest and bravest people with the most initiative leave, who is left?

And that is an ongoing effect. There will be another max exodus of best people and ingress of migrants with radically differing culture, with the hardcore socialists and neo-nazis remaining to fight it out.



P.S. I posted today on ion.


OK, but where will the best people go?  Some, maybe, to the USA (or will they flee from here too?)  None, as far as I can see, will go to Europe.

Singapore can hold a few, the rest look like they have to make deep compromises in their lifestyles to live in Asia or LatAm.

Real question!
sr. member
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October 01, 2015, 11:01:59 PM
Anyway, I think you are on the right track in taking lots of raw vegetable, occasionally some good quality fish and seafood, that's not so bad. I can't imagine how the saturated fat that found in animal products, even in dairy products could be beneficial for your MS condition but you know what you are doing. I wish the best with your recovery.  

Your view of healthy eating seems to be highly clouded by your extreme adverse reaction to any fat in your diet.

You completely discount the potential importance of enzymes. You assume the vegetables have all the cholesterol, enzymes, and other agents that might only be present in certain foods that are not vegetables.

Our ancestors were eating meat. They were not sedentary and not eating meat that wasn't wild (nor fed GMO, grains, antibiotics, and sedentary). I am not sedentary. I am running up to 4.5 kms per day now and that is very low for me historically. I need fat, cholesterol, creatine, etc..

Saturated fat is the best fat. It is not the polyunsaturated fats that comes from pressed seeds, the hydrogenated oils, the transfats, the GMO raised crap, sodium-nitrate laden bacon and sausages, etc..

I am not sure yet which foods I need, but I guarantee you that I would be a skeleton if I ate only vegetables. There is no way I could carry the muscle mass that enables me to be an athlete.

I think raw WILD (not farmed!) vegetables are very important for the micronutrients, the probiotics, and other aspects. But I doubt very much that cutting out all saturated fat is optimum healthy for an athlete. Bill Walton's career was plagued with bone injuries probably because he was 100% vegan.

You appear to be taking it too far into religion and no longer science.

Yesterday at the market I was about to buy a native chicken, but then I asked what it was fed and they said rice and grains. I said that is not native. And they replied, "oh you want the one from really in the mountain that eats only bugs". And I said yes!

In the Lisa Meats, I inquired from the guy who manages their farm and he said their cows are imported from Australia or New Zealand and eat corn mostly. I asked where can I get grass fed beef, and they said I need the native Brahman cow, but these were being phased out by most farmers because they bulk up less and the meat is very tough. I remembered eating that tough meat when I first arrived in the Philippines in the 1990s and I preferred it. I had a different very natural taste. And it was much cheaper too. I'll be on a mission later today to find Brahman cow meat.

The entire world is turning GMO and grains. It is really sad what is happening to the human race.
sr. member
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October 01, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
I certainly agree there is a difference in attitude between US and Europe in so many regards, which I think in it's plainest sense ultimately stems from the ancestors of northern america striking out and leaving the old world. It takes some balls to do that. Reading some of the stories of what those people achieved is pretty humbling to me

Don't forget the removal effect as well. When the boldest and bravest people with the most initiative leave, who is left?

And that is an ongoing effect. There will be another max exodus of best people and ingress of migrants with radically differing culture, with the hardcore socialists and neo-nazis remaining to fight it out.



P.S. I posted today on ion.
newbie
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October 01, 2015, 09:18:22 PM
With this fake democracy at least the leaders can restrict some wishes of the irrational sheeple. If it were a real democracy then the wishes would be infinite, and hyperinflation would be imminent to pay down those wishes.

Why do the wishes of the 'irrational sheeple' need to be 'restricted'? Your healthcare example was about irrational needs (e.g. smoking) being restricted by leaders.
What makes you think those wishes will be 'payed down' in a real democracy.
Politicians get elected because they're granting 'wishes' they can't afford, like me paying 30 a month for full coverage health insurance. 'Hyperinflation' wont pay down for anything.

A vote will never matter much, it's how people live and act that matters.
donator
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October 01, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
When the healthcare is collectivist, then the government can issue new laws that interfere in your privacy/personal life, to save on healthcare costs.

When we think of the big picture, is there anything at all in TPTB agenda that did not aim for increased intrusion of people's life, and thus, control?

No.

That is their agenda, plain and simple. For this reason I suggest the "just say 'no' policy".
sr. member
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October 01, 2015, 04:41:59 PM
"This is what I cannot get through to anyone I know from the UK (some exceptions) even some Americans I work with. Many Americans I know actually admire the collectivised healthcare in Europe. I think they will change their tune when boomers really start to drain the system if technological innovations cannot counter balance."

I *think* you are trying to convince people that natural monopolies should not be nationalised.
Proving negatives aside, do you really think that the individual has any bargaining power,
at a time when he (or she) feels his life is at risk?
And if you think collective bargaining/insurance is the answer, how is that different to the
State getting involved?
BTW, I'd guess that TPTB are planning to worsen the UK system in the hope that privatised
systems can be introduced thus providing profits, and making the US system look better.
hero member
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October 01, 2015, 08:30:41 AM

This is what I cannot get through to anyone I know from the UK (some exceptions) even some Americans I work with. Many Americans I know actually admire the collectivised healthcare in Europe. I think they will change their tune when boomers really start to drain the system if technological innovations cannot counter balance.

That's a difficult one. It is very unfair to tax payers that the most prescribed medications in the UK, Europe and US are diabetes and cholesterol related medicines. You know it's related to obesity. In the meantime there is the solution: don't eat the fucking sugar and saturated fat. In the meantime food regulatory authorities are completely controlled by large food corporations, so sugar, trans fats and hydrogenated oils pushed into the food in mass amount. Those make the food cheap and tasty, in the meantime that food generate a massive medical bill for tax payers.
legendary
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October 01, 2015, 08:24:23 AM
I certainly agree there is a difference in attitude between US and Europe in so many regards, which I think in it's plainest sense ultimately stems from the ancestors of northern america striking out and leaving the old world. It takes some balls to do that. Reading some of the stories of what those people achieved is pretty humbling to me

Don't forget the removal effect as well. When the boldest and bravest people with the most initiative leave, who is left?

legendary
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October 01, 2015, 08:18:13 AM
bigtimespaghetti, my prior post may illicit the interpretation that I am for government control over migration and actually I am not. But there are two problems that prevent me from advocating an open border policy:

  • Government subsidized welfare for all.
  • Other States don't reciprocate.

We are in agreement, I believe this has been covered upthread, you cannot have open borders without dismantling or significantly reducing any generous welfare. Or else having penalising status for refugees (which is how it works in the UK, refugees really are treated as such and while it is 'humane' it is not a comfortable life, thus you see many begging as it is illegal for them to work, even though technically begging is illegal too!).


Only when patients have to haggle for their own health care, can humans get serious about fighting the Monsantos and the poisons they eat and do not seem to care because they have medical insurance.

This is what I cannot get through to anyone I know from the UK (some exceptions) even some Americans I work with. Many Americans I know actually admire the collectivised healthcare in Europe. I think they will change their tune when boomers really start to drain the system if technological innovations cannot counter balance.

There's a great satire book, can't remember the name. Something like Boomtown, where a blogger gets fame when she suggests boomers are paid by the government to be euthanised. It becomes a political rallying call etc. Funny read.
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October 01, 2015, 08:12:04 AM
altcoinUK, I am not by any means criticizing eating raw vegetables as major boost to health. And I concur with smooth that if you are facing the serious diagnosis of advanced heart disease that you did, even a radical all vegan diet for the short-term may be appropriate and I take your word for the miraculous benefits you attained from it.

(The red emphasis is from me).

Please, don't see my heart disease case as an odd and a miraculous one. Almost all heart patients as well as diabetes having the very same reversal and recovery from plant based and vegan diet. According to Esselstyn and T. Colin Campbell that is the very natural response of the body to plant based diet. The China Study of Campbell, the largest dataset ever compiled about cardiovascular diseases indicates that as well. Virtually all heart disease (and I think diabetes) patients who had the mental strength and determination (i.e. crazy enough) to go through on the pain of vegan/plant based diet experience with the reversal of the condition.

Of course you are absolutely correct in many aspects of this, mainly saying that the whole cardiovascular issue is based on genetics. Because of genetics - as you said - you probably won't experience with cardiovascular issues ever and I completely understand that (when I jumped into the conversation I was not aware that you are part of the smaller part of population who is immune to heart issues). You are absolutely right that in my case my genetics determine that my body can't process the fat which then deposited in the arteries and then the endothelial cells are damaged, and I fully understand you don't have this issue.
Still, cardiovascular diseases are the biggest killer in the US and UK. The typical audience of this forum are young males, so one would think most likely they are having no such issues. All kinds of studies indicate that the situation is quite the opposite. For instance, young American soldiers who died in combat in Korea and in Vietnam, it is estimated that roughly 80 percent of those battle casualties had coronary artery disease that could be seen at autopsy without a microscope. More recent research is the Pathobiological Determinants of Atherosclerosis in Youth (PDAY) trial. That study looked at those who had died of accidents, homicides, and suicides between the ages of 16 and 34. In that group, the disease was literally ubiquitous.

This is an epidemic which can be solved with relatively simple diet measures. But it can't happen as big pharmaceutical companies control health services, train the cardiologists, and expensive medicines sold to health services and pushed to patients. In the context of this Economic Totalitarianism thread I think it is quite relevant to point out how careless the government about citizens' life in order to keep the big pharmaceuticals happy.

Terms of the vitamins (B12) and nutritions that you could not get from vegan diet, it is possible to get them from other sources and supplements. There is an other study that points out, not one death was recorded up to date that can be directly related to vitamin or supplement intake. In the meantime there are many thousands of deaths per year as the direct result of side effects and complication of the expensive cardiovascular and diabetes medicines (and of course the many millions death as the diseases not cured).

Anyway, I think you are on the right track in taking lots of raw vegetable, occasionally some good quality fish and seafood, that's not so bad. I can't imagine how the saturated fat that found in animal products, even in dairy products could be beneficial for your MS condition but you know what you are doing. I wish the best with your recovery.  
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October 01, 2015, 02:24:12 AM
bigtimespaghetti, my prior post may illicit the interpretation that I am for government control over migration and actually I am not. But there are two problems that prevent me from advocating an open border policy:

  • Government subsidized welfare for all.
  • Other States don't reciprocate.

We are in agreement, I believe this has been covered upthread, you cannot have open borders without dismantling or significantly reducing any generous welfare. Or else having penalising status for refugees (which is how it works in the UK, refugees really are treated as such and while it is 'humane' it is not a comfortable life, thus you see many begging as it is illegal for them to work, even though technically begging is illegal too!).


Only when patients have to haggle for their own health care, can humans get serious about fighting the Monsantos and the poisons they eat and do not seem to care because they have medical insurance.

This is what I cannot get through to anyone I know from the UK (some exceptions) even some Americans I work with. Many Americans I know actually admire the collectivised healthcare in Europe. I think they will change their tune when boomers really start to drain the system if technological innovations cannot counter balance.
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October 01, 2015, 02:15:11 AM

It's one thing sheltering economic migrants and some refugees, it's another to shut down infrastructure. It's total madness.

Your reaction (which is abhorrent to me and shows that you and I do not have a compatible attitude) exemplifies (and I noticed a similar attitude in the videos of Germans at the above quoted link) what I am contemplating is a major difference between the attitudes of Europeans and United States' Americans. The Europeans are so in love with socialism, collectivism, fairness, social justice, etc.. that they think it is acceptable for the State to be responsible for "refugees".

I was just commenting on the course of action suggested in the article. To be clear I do not feel I owe anything to the refugees and especially the economic migrants (which I am highly skeptical of). But my views aren't going to change the collectivist action being pushed onto Europe. Ironically it's only been British (and british 2nd/3rd gen) immigrants that have expressed an understanding or concern about how this will affect Britain and Europe, which gives me some hope, despite the majority of my peers blinding following so called humane ideals.

I certainly agree there is a difference in attitude between US and Europe in so many regards, which I think in it's plainest sense ultimately stems from the ancestors of northern america striking out and leaving the old world. It takes some balls to do that. Reading some of the stories of what those people achieved is pretty humbling to me.
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