Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 42. (Read 108030 times)

So you do agree that the genes control whether animals walk on all four?

Start a thread something like, "Alternatives to Evolution."

Evolution is not true because, among many other things, there is no random in nature. Everything operates through cause and effect. There are no random mutations. We might think that there are because of our inability to see most causes, directly. But science shows us more and more all the time that there are causes for everything.

You have a bunch of questions, many of which we don't have answers to, and never will until we can make a time viewer that can see into the past. All those questions would be there if evolution was real. The point isn't those questions. The point is that evolution is a hoax because we know reasons why it can't be real.

But, the biggest reason why evolution is a hoax is that we don't have even one proof for it, yet it is touted as being real.

Evolution is a hoax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newton's_3rd_Law
https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/forces-newtons-laws/newtons-laws-of-motion/a/what-is-newtons-third-law

Where does it say that everything has a cause? Point it out to me.

Hmm, what is the alternative? Let’s assume that evolution is not true, what is the alternative? I know you think it’s irrelevant to the question whether Evolution is true or not, but it’s not irrelevant. It raises a whole horde of other questions that is equal interesting.

Was all species just created from the beginning? Must have been a crowded place to begin with! We know many species have dies out, where they all there to begin with, at the same time? Did dinosaurs live at the same time as humans?, did prehistoric sharks (what we call prehistoric sharks) live at the same time as modern sharks, etc... How come all these prehistoric monsters, all lost out to more “soft” species with us today. I mean not many carnivores today can match prehistoric carnivores in a one-on-one battle; still they all lost, in the water, on land, in the air.

These are just a few questions popping up if evolution is not true. Can you help me out with understand how this works?

Okay. Let me show you where your mistake is. It's simple, but it's tiny...

Astargath's version of Newton's 3rd Law: "To every action there is an equal and opposite action."

Now, if anyone would compare Astargath's version to the real, Newton version, he will be able to see that Newton's 3rd Law includes cause and effect, possibly among other things.

''Newton's 3rd Law takes C&E into account.'' No it doesn't. Period. Newton's 3rd law never said that something is always caused by something.

You keep on trying to convert this thread into a religious topic. You talk about a Christian religious consensus. You want me to start believing a religious thing that didn't happen - evolution.

What are you so afraid of that you are unwilling to admit that there is no science that shows that evolution is a fact? I mean, that is what scientists are looking for - facts - even when they are deluded into mistaking theories for facts.

Evolution is a hoax.

Newton's 3rd Law takes C&E into account.

C&E is used in all scientific observation and experimentation.

Nobody has found even one pure random event.

There are probably many of natural or scientific laws that have not been formulated into verbal verbal or written laws simply because they are obvious. It took the apple bouncing off Newton's head to get him to think in the direction of formulating his law of universal gravitation.

The idea that radioactive decay or virtual particles may not have a direct C&E action as other things do, but they do indeed have at least an indirect C&E operation. If nowhere else, the C&E that affects them is the making of the universe. Language that avoids the C&E is simply political talk, if it is not simply ideas.

What does this have to do with the fact that evolution is a hoax? You are grasping at straws.

First of all, as I previously mentioned, cause and effect is NOT a scientific law, it's a philosophical thought.

''David Hume critiqued this. Hume came from a tradition that viewed all knowledge as either a priori (from reason) or a posteriori (from experience). From reason alone, it is possible to conceive of an effect without a cause, Hume argued, although others have questioned this and also argued whether conceiving something means it is possible. Based on experience alone, our notion of cause and effect is just based on habitually observing one thing following another, and there's certainly no element of necessity when we observe cause and effect in the world; Hume's criticism of inductive reasoning implied that even if we observe cause and effect repeatedly, we cannot infer that throughout the universe every effect must necessarily have a cause.''

There are also scientific examples against the statement of ''everything has a cause'' which is again, not scientific. Radioactive decay or Virtual particles are examples of it.

Yet, you don't have even one example of something that is not an effect, while the whole process of scientific investigation uses C&E as the foundation for its operation... because C&E penetrates everything.

Bahahahaha

You must be new, so I'll forgive you...

Baddecker's logic isn't bad but there are a few key things he doesn't quite understand.

1. The meaning of random mutation
2. The importance of C&E research


1.  Random mutation doesn't mean quite what you think it means.  It doesn't mean that the occurrence of mutation is random.  Mutations are inevitable and we know their causes.  Radiation, viruses, replication mistakes, and environmental toxins can all damage DNA.   

Replication mistakes C&E
We know that DNA polymerase makes mistakes at a rate of 1 in 10,000,000 nucleotide bases and the average rate in eukaryotes in 50 bases per second so that cause alone adds up to about 15 "typos" per month.  The "random" is about where in the 150 million base pairs, will the mutation occur.  Its not loation specific.  If you are typing a novel, no one can predict where in the novel your typo will occur. 

Environmental toxins/Radiation C&E
We know that free radicals or radiation can knock electrons off of DNA molecules, damaging or changing them.   Radiation and chemical toxins move through space randomly so no one could predict which part of your DNA will be hit or when this collision will occur but it is inevitable that radiation will hit your nucleotide molecules at the right angle to knock electrons off.

Virus C&E
Viruses literally hack into a cells DNA and change it. Again, no one knows when you will contract a virus, or what part of your DNA will be affected by that virus as viruses evolve quickly as well. 

2. We know that all of these things will happen, and we know the C&E but scientific research is not just about C&E, a lot of it is simply about finding correlation between two variables.  C&E is definitely more informative than correlation but a lot of times, correlation is alll we are able to pin down.