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October 10, 2018, 06:45:05 PM
3 scientists just won a Nobel Prize for using evolution in chemisty!

https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/10/popular-chemistryprize2018.pdf

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A (r)evolution in chemistry

  The power of evolution is revealed through the diversity of life. The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2018 is awarded to Frances H. Arnold, George P. Smith and Sir Gregory P. Winter for the way they have taken control of evolution and used it for the greatest benefit to humankind. Enzymes developed through directed evolution are now used to produce biofuels and pharmaceuticals, among other things. Antibodies evolved using a method called phage display can combat autoimmune diseases and, in some cases, cure metastatic cancer.
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  This process has now come so far that it has given rise to three individuals so complex they have managed to master evolution themselves. The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2018 is awarded to Frances H. Arnold, George P. Smith and Sir Gregory P. Winter, because they have revolutionized both chemistry and the development of new pharmaceuticals through directed evolution. Let’s begin with the star of enzyme engineering: Frances Arnold. 
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  For several years, she had tried to change an enzyme called subtilisin so that rather than catalysing chemical reactions in a water-based solution, it would work in an organic solvent, dimethylformamide (DMF). Now she created random changes – mutations – in the enzyme’s genetic code and then introduced these mutated genes into bacteria that produced thousands of different variants of subtilisin.

  After this, the challenge was to find out which of all these variants worked best in the organic solvent. In evolution, we talk about survival of the fittest; in directed evolution this stage is called selection.
 
  Frances Arnold utilised the fact that subtilisin breaks down milk protein, casein. She then selected the variant of subtilisin that was most effective in breaking down casein in a solution with 35 per cent DMF. She subsequently introduced a new round of random mutations in this subtilisin, which yielded a variant that worked even better in DMF.

  In the third generation of subtilisin she found a variant that worked 256 times better in DMF than the original enzyme. This variant of the enzyme had a combination of ten different mutations, the benefits of which no one could have worked out in advance.

  With this, Frances Arnold demonstrated the power of allowing chance and directed selection, instead of solely human rationality, to govern the development of new enzymes. This was the first and most decisive step towards the revolution we are now witnessing.

  The next important step was taken by Willem P. C. Stemmer, a Dutch researcher and entrepreneur who died in 2013. He introduced yet another dimension to the directed evolution of enzymes: mating in a test tube.

(continued at https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/10/popular-chemistryprize2018.pdf)


Nobel prize for science involving evolution = Checkmate

Now where is BADLogic's Nobel Prize?
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October 08, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
Scientists think that they programmed enough "stuff" into a quantum computer to be able to make artificial life work virtually. See http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/248876-2018-10-07-researchers-created-quantum-artificial-life-for-the-first-time.htm and https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbdxav/researchers-created-quantum-artificial-life-for-the-first-time.

If you read the article, note that they call it evolution, but that it is essentially programming.

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October 07, 2018, 02:37:50 AM
Scientists are supposed to be dispassionate professionals. We see them as thoughtful skeptics, seekers of truth, speaking about nature as science reveals it, even when the revelations differ from what we imagined, or from what we may have wished to be true. The truth is that scientists do have passions. They are people with dreams, ambitions, and preconceptions. They want certain things to be true, and certain things to be false, just like anybody else.
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October 06, 2018, 11:07:20 PM

So these people are a hoax as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlNQzjii1c

or a gift from God?

What? You didn't watch the video? It said that these people have genetic problem, probably from in-breeding.

The fact that they are alive is a gift of God. They don't have the opportunity that you do to believe the Bible and be saved. This means that if they aren't saved, their punishment in Hell will be less than yours.

No proof for evolution in the video or your post. The fact that you would try to use some genetically "crippled" people from Turkey to prove evolution, shows how frantic you are to find some little proof for your evolution religion. Doing it this way, only serves to strengthen the fact that...

Evolution is a hoax.

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So you do agree that the genes control whether animals walk on all four?

If I agree or not, what does that matter? The video said it was genetic. But, the video also treated evolution as though it exists, when there has been no proof for evolution. So, the video has some true things and some false things.

Evolution is still a hoax.

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I was just trying to connect the dots for you.  Some animals (with genes) walked on four, then animals (with different genes) walked on two.

Well, thank you for trying to help me out. And that is true about animals with different genes doing different things.

God-creation says that there was perfection in creation. There never was evolution. Everything in creation was as good as it could ever get.

Then by their choice, our first parents plunged themselves and everything into imperfection. The result of this imperfection is devolution.

At certain levels of the appearance of something devolved, there comes about something that looks like it evolved. Why didn't it evolve? Simply because the programming for the look of evolution was already in the genes of the devolved thing. In other words, the people in your video might have children that are perfectly normal, because they have those genes to pass on.

When we look around the world, we can see things that look devolved through mutation. We might see things that look evolved coming from the devolved. But it all operates by programming - cause and effect - the programming of which was planted in the genes long ago.


All the ideas of evolving creatures found in the fossil record are hogwash. Why? Because we don't know that God didn't create that many creatures. We need the DNA of multitudes of fossil creatures to start to tell if what we are seeing is evolution, or if it is simply a bunch of different creatures. And there doesn't seem to be any way to get that long, lost DNA. Until we have it...

Evolution is a pipe-dream. Evolution is a hoax.

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October 02, 2018, 07:19:51 AM

Here is possibly the biggest point that shows that evolution theory evolution (ETE) is not possible. It is cause and effect (C&E).

Consider billiards, pool. When a pool player taps the cue ball, the results happen according to how he taps it. If all the forces were to act exactly the same way every time he tapped the cue ball, the ball would move exactly the same way every time.

It's the same with all science. When you perform a scientific experiment the same way every time, you get exactly the same results every time.

Why is this important for evolution? Because every force in the universe was set to act exactly the way it has acted, right from the beginning of the universe. This means that all of nature has been programmed to act exactly as it acts. If some little thing had been started differently at the beginning, then there would be a different result right now.

ETE talks about random mutation. But C&E shows that there is no random. All there is, is, complexity way beyond anything we can begin to observe. That's why we call complex happenings random. It's our weakness of observation. But in reality there is no random.

The point is, whatever set the universe up the way it is, programmed life and everything else to be exactly the way it is. This means that evolution theory is way off point, and that nobody will ever be able to find any ETE. They can't, because there is absolutely no random, of mutation or anything else.

Even the thing that feels like and looks like our free will, is really artificial free will, because it has all been programmed in from the beginning. At least, that's is what science has shown so far. Some day we might find something that doesn't operate by C&E. As things now stand, non-C&E doesn't even make sense in the universe.

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There is no case, no experiment, no event, which has ever been conducted 100% the same way in all the history of the universe. No “input” has ever been the same, thus no “output” has ever been the same. All other things being equal, time has always passed, thus input, any input, is never really 100% the same. What you have “proven”, is that C&E can’t really be proven, not that Evolution cannot exist because no pure randomness exist, on account of C&E.

What badecker's peanut brain fails to understand is that what matters here is the first cause of the chain of causes. If the first cause it's the big bang then everything is still random since the big bang process was a random process. He always says ''programming'' but he could never prove god in the other thread.

I don't think he understands that you need time for causality to be defined.
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October 06, 2018, 09:07:52 PM

So these people are a hoax as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlNQzjii1c

or a gift from God?

What? You didn't watch the video? It said that these people have genetic problem, probably from in-breeding.

The fact that they are alive is a gift of God. They don't have the opportunity that you do to believe the Bible and be saved. This means that if they aren't saved, their punishment in Hell will be less than yours.

No proof for evolution in the video or your post. The fact that you would try to use some genetically "crippled" people from Turkey to prove evolution, shows how frantic you are to find some little proof for your evolution religion. Doing it this way, only serves to strengthen the fact that...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

So you do agree that the genes control whether animals walk on all four?

If I agree or not, what does that matter? The video said it was genetic. But, the video also treated evolution as though it exists, when there has been no proof for evolution. So, the video has some true things and some false things.

Evolution is still a hoax.

Cool
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October 06, 2018, 08:32:59 PM

So these people are a hoax as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlNQzjii1c

or a gift from God?

What? You didn't watch the video? It said that these people have genetic problem, probably from in-breeding.

The fact that they are alive is a gift of God. They don't have the opportunity that you do to believe the Bible and be saved. This means that if they aren't saved, their punishment in Hell will be less than yours.

No proof for evolution in the video or your post. The fact that you would try to use some genetically "crippled" people from Turkey to prove evolution, shows how frantic you are to find some little proof for your evolution religion. Doing it this way, only serves to strengthen the fact that...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool
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October 05, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
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October 05, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
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October 05, 2018, 09:43:41 AM
If you want to get down to this nitty-gritty point, then finish it. There are factually so many adaptation/like-begets-like/simple-change, provable happenings, without even one proof of ETE, that evolution is scientifically impossible simply by scientific probability.

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Exactly! There are so many adaptation/like-begets-like/simple-change . . . I call that evolution, changes is evolution! You just like other words for it, but what it is, is evolution.
People often use the word evolution to mean change. But most of the time when people see/hear the word evolution, they think of evolution theory evoloution (ETE). ETE is what we have been talking about in this thread. ETE doesn't fit nature and reality. Scientifically, ETE is impossible.



Absolutly nothing scientifically impossible in Evolution, in fact I rather say it’s scientifically impossible not to change. Hammered in stone, unchangeable, from the beginning till now. Hmm …. Why is knowledge, skills, tattoos not “adapted”….. Why are you not born a blacksmith, I know you can be born with a predisposition to be a blacksmith, but why are you not born with all the knowledge of being a blacksmith, if it’s simple a matter of adaptation? Like you are born with black hair, height, longer legs, o-RH-neg etc. If it’s all a matter of adaptation, why are master skills never adapted? E.g. born nuclear scientists?


What you say is quite correct in the way you say it. But that is not what most people think of when they hear the word evolution. And that is not what we are talking about in this thread. Here, we are talking ETE.

Essentially, the foundational, universal, scientific operation in everything we know about in the universe is cause and effect (C&E). C&E means that there are no random mutations, because everything has been caused to act exactly as it has, according to the laws of physics, through C&E. Without random mutations, ETE loses one of its major, foundational premises.

The funny thing about this is, all scientists know about C&E. Not only do they know about it, they focus on it just to do scientific investigation. How do they do this?
1. They observe something in nature;
2. They realize that it is the effect of whatever cause(s) made it to exist the way it does;
3. They look for the cause(s);
4. Then they look for the cause(s) of the cause(s).

In other words, the greater the scientist, the more he looks for and uses C&E.

ETE scientists are different. They use C&E to find how ETE exists. But right in their major theory, they talk about random mutations, when they foundationally know there isn't any random, because C&E penetrates everything that has been found in science. Since they have been using C&E to discover all about evolution, yet they try to include the random mutations idea, which contradicts the C&E they are using, they contradict themselves.

There might be a few mentally slower evolution scientists who accidentally overlooked how C&E plays into everything in the universe. But mostly they simply ignore their C&E understanding, that tugs at their mentality in every evolution investigation and statement that they make, trying to force itself into their awareness.

Evolution is a hoax. And evolution scientists are the ones who make it to be a hoax.

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October 05, 2018, 06:16:21 AM
If you want to get down to this nitty-gritty point, then finish it. There are factually so many adaptation/like-begets-like/simple-change, provable happenings, without even one proof of ETE, that evolution is scientifically impossible simply by scientific probability.

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Exactly! There are so many adaptation/like-begets-like/simple-change . . . I call that evolution, changes is evolution! You just like other words for it, but what it is, is evolution.

Absolutly nothing scientifically impossible in Evolution, in fact I rather say it’s scientifically impossible not to change. Hammered in stone, unchangeable, from the beginning till now. Hmm …. Why is knowledge, skills, tattoos not “adapted”….. Why are you not born a blacksmith, I know you can be born with a predisposition to be a blacksmith, but why are you not born with all the knowledge of being a blacksmith, if it’s simple a matter of adaptation? Like you are born with black hair, height, longer legs, o-RH-neg etc. If it’s all a matter of adaptation, why are master skills never adapted? E.g. born nuclear scientists?
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October 03, 2018, 07:07:34 PM

Ok please, stop posting here, go back to the flat earth thread and post your idiotic statements there, no one cares.
I have moved on from flat earth thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46425670

Well I gotta say, you must have a truly boring life to be such a dedicated troll.

Why not? The whole evolution community are trolls, and most of them don't even realize it.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Oh look it's the guy who believes cops are worse than ISIS for kicking people that drink out of a park.

Thanks for confirming both, the cops-ISIS thing, and that evolution is a hoax.

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October 03, 2018, 10:41:08 AM

Ok please, stop posting here, go back to the flat earth thread and post your idiotic statements there, no one cares.
I have moved on from flat earth thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46425670

Well I gotta say, you must have a truly boring life to be such a dedicated troll.

Why not? The whole evolution community are trolls, and most of them don't even realize it.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Oh look it's the guy who believes cops are worse than ISIS for kicking people that drink out of a park.
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October 03, 2018, 10:38:57 AM

Ok please, stop posting here, go back to the flat earth thread and post your idiotic statements there, no one cares.
I have moved on from flat earth thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46425670

Well I gotta say, you must have a truly boring life to be such a dedicated troll.

Why not? The whole evolution community are trolls, and most of them don't even realize it.

Evolution is a hoax.

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October 03, 2018, 07:26:07 AM
Well I gotta say, you must have a truly boring life to be such a dedicated troll.

When you feed the trolls, don't be surprised when they come back for more
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October 03, 2018, 06:19:44 AM
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big bang
He had nothing, then it made a big bang at his arse, then he had everything.
Let me tell you:
First Law of Thermodynamics:  you can't get something from nothing, if it would be possible then perpetual motion is possible.

Yeah I guess those idiot scientists forgot about the first law of thermodynamics when they came up with the big bang theory, are you dumb?

Perpetual motion is possible. The only reason God doesn't let us have it is that He is trying to show us that everything comes from Him, and that without Him, everything will fade away if it is not instantly destroyed.

Regarding evolution, evolution is a complete hoax.

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The evolution story is mathematically impossible and falls apart with negative (15% of population) and positive blood (85% of mankind) and lots of other things. Similar to tree grafting the creator(s) introduced rhesus factor absents it a a later stage. Evolution must have had a downer kind of day and thought what the heck lets branch of and have Rh-

Perpetual motion i have not seen or have credible evidence of. Lots of claims and i can envision it like in pulsed electromagnets or lots of other stuff. One of the fundamental errors i see time and time again is the conversion to rotation. Losses in wheels are huge. Setting a wheel in motion and waiting for it to come to full stop is no problem. I would not hang around waiting for a pendulum to come to full stop.

Ok please, stop posting here, go back to the flat earth thread and post your idiotic statements there, no one cares.
I have moved on from flat earth thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46425670

Well I gotta say, you must have a truly boring life to be such a dedicated troll.
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October 03, 2018, 02:06:33 AM
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big bang
He had nothing, then it made a big bang at his arse, then he had everything.
Let me tell you:
First Law of Thermodynamics:  you can't get something from nothing, if it would be possible then perpetual motion is possible.

Yeah I guess those idiot scientists forgot about the first law of thermodynamics when they came up with the big bang theory, are you dumb?

Perpetual motion is possible. The only reason God doesn't let us have it is that He is trying to show us that everything comes from Him, and that without Him, everything will fade away if it is not instantly destroyed.

Regarding evolution, evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

The evolution story is mathematically impossible and falls apart with negative (15% of population) and positive blood (85% of mankind) and lots of other things. Similar to tree grafting the creator(s) introduced rhesus factor absents it a a later stage. Evolution must have had a downer kind of day and thought what the heck lets branch of and have Rh-

Perpetual motion i have not seen or have credible evidence of. Lots of claims and i can envision it like in pulsed electromagnets or lots of other stuff. One of the fundamental errors i see time and time again is the conversion to rotation. Losses in wheels are huge. Setting a wheel in motion and waiting for it to come to full stop is no problem. I would not hang around waiting for a pendulum to come to full stop.

Ok please, stop posting here, go back to the flat earth thread and post your idiotic statements there, no one cares.
I have moved on from flat earth thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46425670
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October 02, 2018, 06:54:28 PM
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big bang
He had nothing, then it made a big bang at his arse, then he had everything.
Let me tell you:
First Law of Thermodynamics:  you can't get something from nothing, if it would be possible then perpetual motion is possible.

Yeah I guess those idiot scientists forgot about the first law of thermodynamics when they came up with the big bang theory, are you dumb?

Perpetual motion is possible. The only reason God doesn't let us have it is that He is trying to show us that everything comes from Him, and that without Him, everything will fade away if it is not instantly destroyed.

Regarding evolution, evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

The evolution story is mathematically impossible and falls apart with negative (15% of population) and positive blood (85% of mankind) and lots of other things. Similar to tree grafting the creator(s) introduced rhesus factor absents it a a later stage. Evolution must have had a downer kind of day and thought what the heck lets branch of and have Rh-

Perpetual motion i have not seen or have credible evidence of. Lots of claims and i can envision it like in pulsed electromagnets or lots of other stuff. One of the fundamental errors i see time and time again is the conversion to rotation. Losses in wheels are huge. Setting a wheel in motion and waiting for it to come to full stop is no problem. I would not hang around waiting for a pendulum to come to full stop.

Ok please, stop posting here, go back to the flat earth thread and post your idiotic statements there, no one cares.
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October 02, 2018, 06:53:21 PM
................
big bang
He had nothing, then it made a big bang at his arse, then he had everything.
Let me tell you:
First Law of Thermodynamics:  you can't get something from nothing, if it would be possible then perpetual motion is possible.

Yeah I guess those idiot scientists forgot about the first law of thermodynamics when they came up with the big bang theory, are you dumb?

Perpetual motion is possible. The only reason God doesn't let us have it is that He is trying to show us that everything comes from Him, and that without Him, everything will fade away if it is not instantly destroyed.

Regarding evolution, evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

The evolution story is mathematically impossible and falls apart with negative (15% of population) and positive blood (85% of mankind) and lots of other things. Similar to tree grafting the creator(s) introduced rhesus factor absents it a a later stage. Evolution must have had a downer kind of day and thought what the heck lets branch of and have Rh-

Perpetual motion i have not seen or have credible evidence of. Lots of claims and i can envision it like in pulsed electromagnets or lots of other stuff. One of the fundamental errors i see time and time again is the conversion to rotation. Losses in wheels are huge. Setting a wheel in motion and waiting for it to come to full stop is no problem. I would not hang around waiting for a pendulum to come to full stop.
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