Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 6. (Read 108030 times)

I took them off, and I found that you STILL don't have any proof for evolution. At least, you aren't even talking in that direction... probably because you wouldn't understand proof if it jumped up and bit you in the eye.

Evolution is a hoax.

Take off your blinders.  Don't say "we", just say "I don't know how evolution works and what the evidence for it is."

How do you think you will ever learn anything when you refuse to examine the evidence?

Take any one of your mutations and go deeper into it. The molecules all moved in every part of the mutation according to the way they were "bumped." What were they bumped by? Other molecules, atoms, heat energy, etc.

When they were bumped, why was it that they moved exactly as they did, and not in some other way? Because the way they were bumped, caused them to move, according to the laws of physics, which say that they must move this way, if they are bumped that way.

And the molecules, atoms, heat energy, etc., that bumped them, acted the ways that they did because other molecules, atoms, heat energy, etc., acted on them just exactly the way physics dictated they should act when bumped by whatever bumped them... back to the beginning. We don't have any example of anything acting outside the laws of physics. Everything had to act the way it did according to the laws of physics.

We call it random because we aren't even close to starting to track standard movements of individual molecules, atoms, heat energy waves/particles, etc., in nature. But none of it is really random. It all acts according to the laws of physics, right down to the tiniest subatomic particle.

Since simple random is simply our ignorance of details, evolution can be random in that way. But because everything acts according to the precise laws of physics, there is no pure random. If a time ever comes that we think we find something of pure randomness, it will only be because we haven't discovered the depths of its physics laws, yet.

Your car example doesn't fit. Why not? Because we clearly have cars. But we don't know that there is evolution. We don't know that what we are reverse engineering is evolution. But we clearly see that it is simple change, adaptation, and like-begets-like.

Sorry for the huge quote, but this is an important point of contention in this thread, and we still haven't got to the bottom of it.

BADecker - you accept simple change, adaptation and like-begets-like, yes? Your point is that 'random' mutations aren't really random because they have cause and effect, which you trhink suggests design. Is this right?

It's not just a mutation from 'A'->'B', though. 'A' mutates into 'C' through 'Z' as well. It's not that the mutation 'B' has been designed to succeed, it's that vast numbers of different mutations occur, the overwhelming are not beneficial and are (naturally) selected out of the gene pool. It's not that 'B' survives as a positive mutation because it has been designed that way, it's that of the 25 'B' through 'Z' variations, only one of them was beneficial to the animal's chances of survival. The 24 animals with the harmful 'C' through 'Z' mutations didn't reach adulthood to reproduce.

Not really.  But I understand why you demand it.

You don't need to disassemble and reverse engineer all cars that have ever existed to understand how a car works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srC1au8ZiU4

So your religion not only denies certain things, but it has a potty mouth, as well.

Fortunately, it isn't the simple publication of documents that makes up what is proof. The things published also have to be correct. Nobody is required to prove that ETE doesn't exist. All one has to show us that so-called proof is not proof, and destroys itself as proof. And that is exactly what I have been doing.

Proof for ETE would have to include tracking the DNA of millions of generations of millions of creatures over hundreds of thousands of years. We haven't tracked even one creature like this. In fact, it's beyond our ability to so track.

Nothing against you personally.  You are not thinking independently, you have been indoctrinated to reject all scientific discoveries that contradict your favorite mythology.

I cannot stand people who reject science.  The scientific method is the best epistemic tool we have and to see people trivializing its usefulness just boils my blood.  People were tortured and killed because of it and the results it produced.

BTW, you have proved jack squat.  You need to learn quite a bit before you can attempt to even define what you are trying to prove.

http://www2.phy.ilstu.edu/ptefiles/publications/scientific_epistemology.pdf

Fuck off BADecker, your reply is out of context motherfucker; I deny gravity, the BB, the heliocentric model and, the globe NOT CREATIONISM!!!

This is what I'm talking about when I accuse you of dishonestly manipulating perceptions.

Sounds like you simply have some kind of a grudge against me. Why are you so upset? Is it because I have essentially proven that ETE doesn't have a leg to stand on? And it wrecks your idea that you aren't religious, because you believe in something that doesn't really exist?

Look at my post above this one.

Creationism and God is NOT nonsensical. Consider:

The weight of one bacterium is 9.5 × 10^-13 g - https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/LouisSiu.shtml. That's so small of a weight that nobody can even come close to understanding it. But a 200 lb man weighs 90,718.47 g.

In other words, the size and of a microbe is so small, that there is no way a microbe could even begin to think with a mindset like that of a man. A microbe really can't think at all.

Now consider the vast size and weight of the universe compared with that of a man. The size of the universe is so much greater than that of a man, that there might be no limit to how much greater the universe is.

Why would anybody be so stupid as to rule out a God that is even greater than the universe, because He made it?

The microbe can't think regarding great and small, but the man can. Why can't the man even consider that there might be a Being that is as much greater than he is, as he is greater than a microbe?

No he's not, and no it's not. Different people have different opinions, that's all. It's not all tricks and conspiracies.

No. If you dismiss everyone you disagree with as a fool, then your own opinions never get challenged and become fixed.

I still don't understand though how someone can agree with every single aspect of evolution, but then say it's not evolution.

Creationism and God is nonsensical within the big-bang heliocentric globe model that's powered by gravity. BADecker promotes and defends these unproven, falsifiable and quite honestly laughable theories tooth and nail, then turns around and claims there's a creator.

BADecker is being purposely hypocritical, it's a Jesuit mind trick to keep you trapped in a prison of your own mind. He's gatekeeping the truth by manipulating your perceptions of creationism, you think he's a fool thus reinforcing all the pseudo-scientific theories that deny God.

Hate to quote my own post, but what's your response to this?
I still don't understand how you can accept the facts of evolution, but then deny it happens.

Not much to be said here.  You just proved my earlier point.

Not all Christians are crazy lunatics, but you are an exception.

All Christians  are considered to be prophets, priests, and kings with regard to things in this life. Search on "all Christians are prophet priest and king." In my capacity as these, I can most definitely tell you that...

Evolution is a hoax. I don't even need the help of all the evolutionists who continually prove that ETE is a hoax, to help me.

Sure.  So you are not only delusional but also a megalomaniac.

Before you know it, you'll be God's prophet, LOL.

Lol! Simple folk don't recognize genius, even when it comes up and bites what they post.

 

I think you are retarded, that is what I think.