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The Russian athletes are now starting to suffer the sanctions caused by their very own Putin and they're not allowed anymore to play with other countries. So Putin should be responsible enough to find solutions for this. Otherwise, the athletes will always feel discrimination, and has no choice but to wait for the next sporting event where the sanctions may be lifted by that time. It will be better if they can still play even in local events so that their skills will always be exercised.

The only adequate (and morally correct option in my opinion) is to go to another country and become its citizen or act as an independent athlete. Professional athletes in demand have no problems with this, and if I were such an athlete, I would have left a long time ago

Waiting for some event (normalization of the situation) that does not depend on you is always a bad choice.

These are the consequences of something that the world does not see, but what are they doing with their attitudes, I know that it is Putin who is acting badly, it is not the athletes, the Russian people are not entirely like him, I do not know, but if they told me that I had to renounce my citizenship no matter how bad my country is, I think I would not do it, just for national identity and not to please the tastes of people who are mostly promoting Xenophobia at a high level, no I am Russian, I only have one friend from my own country who is in Russia, and he tells me that the majority of people there are against this invasion, we and the international organizations have tried to put the Russians very badly, both boycott everything that has to do with them, and I think that is not the way, of course it is my simple opinion, no conflict of any kind is good.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on April 07, 2022, 01:25:29 PM

The Russian athletes are now starting to suffer the sanctions caused by their very own Putin and they're not allowed anymore to play with other countries. So Putin should be responsible enough to find solutions for this. Otherwise, the athletes will always feel discrimination, and has no choice but to wait for the next sporting event where the sanctions may be lifted by that time. It will be better if they can still play even in local events so that their skills will always be exercised.

The only adequate (and morally correct option in my opinion) is to go to another country and become its citizen or act as an independent athlete. Professional athletes in demand have no problems with this, and if I were such an athlete, I would have left a long time ago

Waiting for some event (normalization of the situation) that does not depend on you is always a bad choice.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on April 04, 2022, 03:19:01 PM

I am quite sure that some countries will be willing to adopt Russian athletes as their own, in fact this is not uncommon and unlike some sports even if they had represented Russia before in official events most athletes are still allowed to represent another country due to their own particular circumstances.

And I think that being affected by a war they did not wanted qualifies as one of the circumstances that will allow them to try to represent another country instead of representing Russia as they have being doing so far.

They will because those players are innocent. We should not put the blame to the people in Ukraine other than Putin and his team that attacks the Ukraine but the only problem is if they will be allowed to play for other teams because their country was still under the sanctions. Even if we don't want to, I think the idea behind sanctions is to make everybody struggle on that particular country.

The war can end end soon but I don't think the sanctions are also going to wear off so it's still not possible for the Russian athletes to go back in the game. I guess the only way for them to play is to wait again for the next sporting event.

The Russian athletes are now starting to suffer the sanctions caused by their very own Putin and they're not allowed anymore to play with other countries. So Putin should be responsible enough to find solutions for this. Otherwise, the athletes will always feel discrimination, and has no choice but to wait for the next sporting event where the sanctions may be lifted by that time. It will be better if they can still play even in local events so that their skills will always be exercised.

One of the problems with this is that for example an accountant can be an accountant for decades and instead of losing their abilities as an accountant as time passes they instead get better at their job.

But in the world of sports losing a few years can be incredibly damaging to the career of an athlete, and not only that those athletes eventually become coaches as well which train the next generation of athletes, which means those years they could lose due to the war will also affect their future students as they were not allowed to reach all their potential due to circumstances outside of their control, which has the potential of decreasing the overall skill level of the whole country in almost all sports.

Wont agree about comparing it on jobs or things that doesnt really involved much physique movement where being accountant that had stopped for decades or years would really be just the same.Of course there would be still some mishaps or forgotten details or things but not really that much since you had this job then you could remember it back in a short span of time.

Same goes into those athletes who had been stopped into their training or playing games which would really result on having that idle state which it could indeed make out some effect.

Lets just accept the fact on what are the things happening now yet lots of things would really be affected in line of it.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on April 04, 2022, 03:19:01 PM

Quote from: SirLancelot on April 04, 2022, 03:19:01 PM

I am quite sure that some countries will be willing to adopt Russian athletes as their own, in fact this is not uncommon and unlike some sports even if they had represented Russia before in official events most athletes are still allowed to represent another country due to their own particular circumstances.

And I think that being affected by a war they did not wanted qualifies as one of the circumstances that will allow them to try to represent another country instead of representing Russia as they have being doing so far.

They will because those players are innocent. We should not put the blame to the people in Ukraine other than Putin and his team that attacks the Ukraine but the only problem is if they will be allowed to play for other teams because their country was still under the sanctions. Even if we don't want to, I think the idea behind sanctions is to make everybody struggle on that particular country.

The war can end end soon but I don't think the sanctions are also going to wear off so it's still not possible for the Russian athletes to go back in the game. I guess the only way for them to play is to wait again for the next sporting event.

The Russian athletes are now starting to suffer the sanctions caused by their very own Putin and they're not allowed anymore to play with other countries. So Putin should be responsible enough to find solutions for this. Otherwise, the athletes will always feel discrimination, and has no choice but to wait for the next sporting event where the sanctions may be lifted by that time. It will be better if they can still play even in local events so that their skills will always be exercised.

One of the problems with this is that for example an accountant can be an accountant for decades and instead of losing their abilities as an accountant as time passes they instead get better at their job.

But in the world of sports losing a few years can be incredibly damaging to the career of an athlete, and not only that those athletes eventually become coaches as well which train the next generation of athletes, which means those years they could lose due to the war will also affect their future students as they were not allowed to reach all their potential due to circumstances outside of their control, which has the potential of decreasing the overall skill level of the whole country in almost all sports.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on April 04, 2022, 03:19:01 PM

I am quite sure that some countries will be willing to adopt Russian athletes as their own, in fact this is not uncommon and unlike some sports even if they had represented Russia before in official events most athletes are still allowed to represent another country due to their own particular circumstances.

And I think that being affected by a war they did not wanted qualifies as one of the circumstances that will allow them to try to represent another country instead of representing Russia as they have being doing so far.

They will because those players are innocent. We should not put the blame to the people in Ukraine other than Putin and his team that attacks the Ukraine but the only problem is if they will be allowed to play for other teams because their country was still under the sanctions. Even if we don't want to, I think the idea behind sanctions is to make everybody struggle on that particular country.

The war can end end soon but I don't think the sanctions are also going to wear off so it's still not possible for the Russian athletes to go back in the game. I guess the only way for them to play is to wait again for the next sporting event.

The Russian athletes are now starting to suffer the sanctions caused by their very own Putin and they're not allowed anymore to play with other countries. So Putin should be responsible enough to find solutions for this. Otherwise, the athletes will always feel discrimination, and has no choice but to wait for the next sporting event where the sanctions may be lifted by that time. It will be better if they can still play even in local events so that their skills will always be exercised.

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I am quite sure that some countries will be willing to adopt Russian athletes as their own, in fact this is not uncommon and unlike some sports even if they had represented Russia before in official events most athletes are still allowed to represent another country due to their own particular circumstances.

And I think that being affected by a war they did not wanted qualifies as one of the circumstances that will allow them to try to represent another country instead of representing Russia as they have being doing so far.

They will because those players are innocent. We should not put the blame to the people in Ukraine other than Putin and his team that attacks the Ukraine but the only problem is if they will be allowed to play for other teams because their country was still under the sanctions. Even if we don't want to, I think the idea behind sanctions is to make everybody struggle on that particular country.

The war can end end soon but I don't think the sanctions are also going to wear off so it's still not possible for the Russian athletes to go back in the game. I guess the only way for them to play is to wait again for the next sporting event.

I agree what you have mentioned - but then again it will not be easy to bring forth the athletes to the audience telling them since Russian players are banned so we thought to hire them to play for our country. I believe it has triggered the same frequence of troubles for the Russian as the troubles are made for the ukrainian nationals - may the war soon end.

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Quote from: blockman on March 03, 2022, 07:17:33 AM

I am quite sure that some countries will be willing to adopt Russian athletes as their own, in fact this is not uncommon and unlike some sports even if they had represented Russia before in official events most athletes are still allowed to represent another country due to their own particular circumstances.

And I think that being affected by a war they did not wanted qualifies as one of the circumstances that will allow them to try to represent another country instead of representing Russia as they have being doing so far.

They will because those players are innocent. We should not put the blame to the people in Ukraine other than Putin and his team that attacks the Ukraine but the only problem is if they will be allowed to play for other teams because their country was still under the sanctions. Even if we don't want to, I think the idea behind sanctions is to make everybody struggle on that particular country.

The war can end end soon but I don't think the sanctions are also going to wear off so it's still not possible for the Russian athletes to go back in the game. I guess the only way for them to play is to wait again for the next sporting event.

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With all of those suspensions that the Russian teams are getting for every sport just after the sanctions. I'm expecting that there will be more of it and even there are a lot of suspensions that they've received.
I've seen that some of the sports have remained neutral and still allow Russian players to play for their sport. There's the other news a few days ago that FIFA will allow them to play but they won't be under the flag of Russia.
(https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/fifa-to-allow-russia-to-play-on-but-not-under-the-name-russia-1.4813639)

All there are happening because of the war against Ukraine. The Russians has lost a lot already. The sanction place might not affect the players since they will play under another team which is not Russia, just as u said.
That's quite fine at least the Russian players would have a litte chance to join the FIFA indirectly.
I suggest if Russia put a stop to the war it would make things easier for them. Maybe most sanctions would be lifted, or they may be considered.

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Quote from: AakZaki on March 28, 2022, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 23, 2022, 04:39:29 PM

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Meaning that down the line the war against Ukraine could have effects that could last for decades in the ability of Russia as a nation to complete in international sport events, as their most talented athletes decide to move to other countries.

Maybe it's an alternative to the Russian altlets, but are they accepted to move countries? I didn't even get any new news when the war would end. Putin certainly knows the risks he will have. So Putin should have prepared a move to keep respecting the fate of the sportsmen who are there. Although I don't think it can replace the disappointment that sports athletes have been banned from participating in the world championships. If later the war stops they also need time to be readmitted to the world sports event.

I am quite sure that some countries will be willing to adopt Russian athletes as their own, in fact this is not uncommon and unlike some sports even if they had represented Russia before in official events most athletes are still allowed to represent another country due to their own particular circumstances.

And I think that being affected by a war they did not wanted qualifies as one of the circumstances that will allow them to try to represent another country instead of representing Russia as they have being doing so far.

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here is a cartoon which shows very clearly that the whole football and its infrastructure built for the euro 2012 as well as the whole stadiums will be or were destroyed by the whole war Undecided

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Murdering innocent Ukrainians, including footballers, fans of @FCShakhtar or @DynamoKyiv - THIS IS NOT POLITICS!
These are Ukrainian clubs, not Russian. Destroying stadiums that were built only 10 years for the #EURO2012 is also killing football in this independent country.

https://twitter.com/11vs11art/status/1506164416907202565

In all possible way organisations and governments were showing their opposition to the war, but the agressive move of Putin is getting continued. Initially they weren't attacking any of the buildings, in between started to attack the infrastructure of the country. The latest being the kidnapping of children. This is completely unacceptable and against humanity. What does the child know, this will create hate over Russia in their minds and the same lasts forever.

More than 2,300 children ‘kidnapped’ by Russian forces, says Ukraine

In my opinion Russia is getting desperate, they thought they will be able to win the war in under a week and they were unable to do so, this created a whole set of problems they were not expecting that had to do with logistics, which is a key aspect on modern warfare, so they are hitting what the military call soft targets in order to try to diminish the moral of the Ukrainian soldiers and the volunteers, however this can also have the opposite effect and this means the Ukrainian army will resist the advance of the Russian army in an even more determined way.

You are right, I think that sometimes those who say they are "weak" only pretend to be weak when in fact they are very strong, this is a clear demonstration that things should not be taken for granted when you have great support from a country that does not it allows itself to be defeated, logistics is something that has a great influence, some say that the Russian soldiers are giving up because there is no food for them, they were sent to a war where they cannot even feed themselves, but is this on purpose? Because I understand that Putin is not crazy to make those decisions, the Russian elite forces are not in that invasion, I think he is saving them for a possible confrontation with NATO.

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Russia should take some measures to support the sporting people in the country. To increase the usage of Rubles it tried a way, and it was good for them against the fall of ruble value. Most of the sports people will be practicing to meet international events. With the suspension of Russia from majority of the sports events the players won't be able to make themselves strong. So, as a support Russia need to think of conducting more events within the country so to keep themselves prepared and not to let the players down.

I think they have learned from the war that took place some months ago, that caused the both countries to lose so many sports activities in the land. I believe Russian government will do everything possible within their power to stop this war, so that their sports activities will fully return back to the country for both local and international players to be more active in the areas of sport activities. Some of the Russian international players will not be comfortable with this suspension because they are not use to local competition which will be difficult for them to cope with their local game in the country.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 28, 2022, 07:49:32 PM

Russia should take some measures to support the sporting people in the country. To increase the usage of Rubles it tried a way, and it was good for them against the fall of ruble value. Most of the sports people will be practicing to meet international events. With the suspension of Russia from majority of the sports events the players won't be able to make themselves strong. So, as a support Russia need to think of conducting more events within the country so to keep themselves prepared and not to let the players down.

The ongoing military operation is likely to eat up tens of billions (if not hundreds of billions) of USD worth of funds from the Russian treasury. At this point, it may not be economically feasible for the Russian government to support the sports personnel in a big way. On top of that, there are international sanctions which may make life hard for the athletes. They may face difficulty in securing supplements and training equipment. Anyway, the good news is that talks are progressing well and within a few weeks we may hear about a ceasefire.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 28, 2022, 07:49:32 PM

Russia should take some measures to support the sporting people in the country. To increase the usage of Rubles it tried a way, and it was good for them against the fall of ruble value. Most of the sports people will be practicing to meet international events. With the suspension of Russia from majority of the sports events the players won't be able to make themselves strong. So, as a support Russia need to think of conducting more events within the country so to keep themselves prepared and not to let the players down.

I agree. The sports agencies in Russia should find a way for their athletes to be kept busy and on the top of their form despite the ban on them from many leagues. They would either hold local sports events or look for events and other sports leagues which don't ban Russian players.

I'm afraid this ban on Russian players will take some time because it seems their government's plan to take Ukraine is not rolling out according to plan. It is either they demand or put pressure to their government to stop it or they will slowly lose their athletic power for being inactive.

This is why war has always harmed civil society, including Russian sportsmen being banned from playing in all European competitions. It is not only
the performance of Russian athletes that will decline due to not being able to take part in international competitions, but their mentality must also
be affected. Moreover, there is no sign that the war will end in the near future. So it's better as you say sports institutions in Russia should find
a solution regarding this problem. It could also be by holding a competition on a local scale, but this is only a short-term solution. What was
more effective was that all the Russian athletes tried to persuade the Russian government to stop the war, but I don't think the Russian government
will listen to opinions from anywhere until its goals are achieved. Although I am not a Russian citizen, but I can feel the frustration of Russian
athletes right now.

It is very sad that of all those who are affected by the effects of the war, the innocent people are the ones who suffered the most. The ordinary Russians are the ones who are at the receiving end of the economic sanctions, sports sanctions, etc. The ordinary Russian families are the ones who are losing livelihood, money, and even sons, husbands, fathers, and brothers because of the war being waged by the few powerful people at the top. What do these ordinary people have to gain? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Russian teams, players, sports leagues, and all sports federations should come up with a single and loud voice to denounce the war and demand that their leaders put a stop to it.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 28, 2022, 07:49:32 PM

Russia should take some measures to support the sporting people in the country. To increase the usage of Rubles it tried a way, and it was good for them against the fall of ruble value. Most of the sports people will be practicing to meet international events. With the suspension of Russia from majority of the sports events the players won't be able to make themselves strong. So, as a support Russia need to think of conducting more events within the country so to keep themselves prepared and not to let the players down.

I agree. The sports agencies in Russia should find a way for their athletes to be kept busy and on the top of their form despite the ban on them from many leagues. They would either hold local sports events or look for events and other sports leagues which don't ban Russian players.

I'm afraid this ban on Russian players will take some time because it seems their government's plan to take Ukraine is not rolling out according to plan. It is either they demand or put pressure to their government to stop it or they will slowly lose their athletic power for being inactive.

This is why war has always harmed civil society, including Russian sportsmen being banned from playing in all European competitions. It is not only
the performance of Russian athletes that will decline due to not being able to take part in international competitions, but their mentality must also
be affected. Moreover, there is no sign that the war will end in the near future. So it's better as you say sports institutions in Russia should find
a solution regarding this problem. It could also be by holding a competition on a local scale, but this is only a short-term solution. What was
more effective was that all the Russian athletes tried to persuade the Russian government to stop the war, but I don't think the Russian government
will listen to opinions from anywhere until its goals are achieved. Although I am not a Russian citizen, but I can feel the frustration of Russian
athletes right now.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 28, 2022, 07:49:32 PM

Russia should take some measures to support the sporting people in the country. To increase the usage of Rubles it tried a way, and it was good for them against the fall of ruble value. Most of the sports people will be practicing to meet international events. With the suspension of Russia from majority of the sports events the players won't be able to make themselves strong. So, as a support Russia need to think of conducting more events within the country so to keep themselves prepared and not to let the players down.

I agree. The sports agencies in Russia should find a way for their athletes to be kept busy and on the top of their form despite the ban on them from many leagues. They would either hold local sports events or look for events and other sports leagues which don't ban Russian players.

I'm afraid this ban on Russian players will take some time because it seems their government's plan to take Ukraine is not rolling out according to plan. It is either they demand or put pressure to their government to stop it or they will slowly lose their athletic power for being inactive.

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Russia should take some measures to support the sporting people in the country. To increase the usage of Rubles it tried a way, and it was good for them against the fall of ruble value. Most of the sports people will be practicing to meet international events. With the suspension of Russia from majority of the sports events the players won't be able to make themselves strong. So, as a support Russia need to think of conducting more events within the country so to keep themselves prepared and not to let the players down.

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Quote from: Sirait on March 28, 2022, 02:27:26 PM

Quote from: AakZaki on March 28, 2022, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: Theones on March 27, 2022, 04:28:24 PM

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Meaning that down the line the war against Ukraine could have effects that could last for decades in the ability of Russia as a nation to complete in international sport events, as their most talented athletes decide to move to other countries.

Maybe it's an alternative to the Russian altlets, but are they accepted to move countries? I didn't even get any new news when the war would end. Putin certainly knows the risks he will have. So Putin should have prepared a move to keep respecting the fate of the sportsmen who are there. Although I don't think it can replace the disappointment that sports athletes have been banned from participating in the world championships. If later the war stops they also need time to be readmitted to the world sports event.

not only time but also mental because of course athletes from other countries will exclude them as a support for Ukraine. Besides that, the quality of Russian athletes will definitely have a big impact and experience a drastic decline because they haven't competed in a long time. The impact of this sanction is really big.

Before suspended on many sport event games ever Russia play on Olympic without use Russia name after got suspended using their country name and flag, now many athlete got bad mentality because have suspend allowing with many competition. Not only on football but many other athlete have effect with suspended after war invasion between Russia and Ukraine. But I think many athlete keep waiting and looks not any of them have try to complaint what happening with their career have been suspend around the world.

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Quote from: fzkto on March 21, 2022, 02:33:18 PM

The bad thing in this history is not that Russia is excluded from all international competitions not only in football, but in almost all other disciplines, but the bad thing is that athletes will lose their classification and experience because the level of play will drop a lot. The motivation for Russian players has always been lacking because they were paid a huge amount of money for any results. And now the quality of their game will decrease even more, because they will only play each other, where everyone has a bad level.

This is no something that I have thought but I think you are right, and not only that, the talented Russian athletes and coaches which disagree with the policies of Putin may have no other option but to leave their country, renounce their citizenship and represent other countries.

Meaning that down the line the war against Ukraine could have effects that could last for decades in the ability of Russia as a nation to complete in international sport events, as their most talented athletes decide to move to other countries.

I agree with both of you. The mental health and the active mind is the strength of an athlete and a sportsman. I am very sure it will go a very long. Most of the time we are unable to even think what are going to be after affect of the decision made today. War is a curse - it linger longer than the predicted time frame