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Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 16. (Read 131506 times)

legendary
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Added score colorings to the first half of the list. Let me know if you like it or if it gives you eye aids. I'll revert or add to the rest of the list depending on feedback in a bit.
legendary
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I think for the most part it looks alright, but of course Avalon being higher than SP-Tech just does not seem right to me. Last time I checked SP-Tech never screwed over half the miners on these boards  Tongue. Anyways Dogie keep up the good work on this and the guides and have a good holidays.

ST is due to go up to 100 next time if they follow through [depending when the cycle ends.]
legendary
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I think for the most part it looks alright, but of course Avalon being higher than SP-Tech just does not seem right to me. Last time I checked SP-Tech never screwed over half the miners on these boards  Tongue. Anyways Dogie keep up the good work on this and the guides and have a good holidays.
legendary
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Added historical score graphs to give a better idea of momentum. It also highlights quite well the process of an infraction, and then the company being forced to build up reputation again (ie Bitmain and ASICMiner). Click on the graph for 4K/full screen version.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5035180
legendary
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51 Pages. You've been putting in work Dogie! If you broke down all your time I wonder what it would equate to per hour.

For this resource? $-XX probably.
hero member
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51 Pages. You've been putting in work Dogie! If you broke down all your time I wonder what it would equate to per hour.
legendary
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How is company size determined?

Updated criteria with explanations.
sr. member
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-snip-

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!
feel free to use the link in my sig to checkout if you manage to get them to split the payment method
I dare you to use my link!

I dare you to provide the answer!

legendary
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-snip-

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!

feel free to use the link in my sig to checkout if you manage to get them to split the payment method

I dare you to use my link!
legendary
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Specifically, I find it very annoying that BitFury, which I consider bad for the ecosystem is so highly ranked. I think that self mining on industrial mega scale should be punished severely in ranking.

Just remember, this is what the actions are with the companies and actions to the consumers, at the present time. its not a all round thing since the day they started. Basically, dogie has marked BitFury as not doing any mining now, unless there is evidence that they are now, the score stays the same.

That is one of the problems. They were a huge consumer ASIC company, they are now a huge ASIC company and they do sell into the marketplace - you've just got to have big pockets. They've also not done anything wrong, so their rating is where it should be. They have an ethics infraction for farm mining, but I don't see it as useful to penalise companies significantly for doing that.

What a consumer needs to know is if what they order is going to arrive at all, on time and as described. Having a farm somewhere isn't going to interrupt that process, and may in fact strengthen it by making the company more financially resilient. "Damn, someone burnt down our factory. Luckily we have a second revenue stream so can rebuild and make these orders right."

tldr, its hard to impose strong penalties just for farm mining. And Bitfury hasn't done anything wrong, they are a big player in the industry and you just need deep pockets to access that.

I don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

No one gets an FF any more because information on farm size is hard to get with all the pomposity and secrecy. Western companies want to show off their farms as validation for investers, Eastern companies want to show off their farms in secret as validation for customers. And what is the cut-off for a large farm over a 'not large' farm?
sr. member
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-snip-

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!





feel free to use the link in my sig to checkout if you manage to get them to split the payment method
sr. member
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Apology.

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!



donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
... no, im not Rawdawg just using my old meme of him ...
Apology.
hero member
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...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...
For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

Cheesy I Love it! and no, im not Rawdawg just using my old meme of him, but im so buying into this! pre-order of a pre-order! Yo Dawg!


I love this a company making a joke out of something.  Got a laugh never saw this before.

Is there a limit on these? Smiley

and thats why coms are 10 out of 10
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...
For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

I love this a company making a joke out of something.  Got a laugh never saw this before.

Is there a limit on these? Smiley
No, you can buy as many as you want.

Edit: This way, Dogie's Mix ranking on pre-order for us will be justify  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1456
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...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...
For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

I love this a company making a joke out of something.  Got a laugh never saw this before.

Is there a limit on these? Smiley
donator
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1051
Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...
For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.
hero member
Activity: 767
Merit: 500
et découpez

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

Ah, i missed that F thing, fare enough.

i don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

and no more pre-orders left for you, fare enough..

did you finalize the pre-orders last month or 2? that maybe why you still have that score, its past tense.
your score has increase since last time, so i wouldn’t complain, be better then the others, you will rise above them.

Question is, next lot of hardware you make, or you going to advertise and take orders before final construction? (aka pre-orders), or are you going to build a stock and sell them there and then?

Hell, at least you haven’t tested your miners on animals! Tongue

on the other hand, you could just ignore this whole thing and run your business without even consolidating this list, Test the miners on animals, sell everyone a bit of paper with "I O U MINER" on it, ignore everyone’s problems and sell the crappiest chunks of scrap, then call yourself the best company, and run off with everyone’s money till the feds come after you!

tl:dr, it was the preorders that wrecked your score and BitFury is on the way down
Please read the last few pages here. The FF was discussed and the fact that we won't take pre-orders on our 3rd gen and why.
Testing on animals wasn't discuss.

*Gasp* so you are testing on animals! :O

Right, i re-read the last few pages, i was positive you're asking why you are lower then bitfury, and they only get a -2 only on their ethics from self mining.. i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..

and yeah, no idea what dogies plans are on the F and old FF score, going to change the scoring? make sure its so unfair that anyone looking at a farm gets a -100, yep yep.
donator
Activity: 1414
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
et découpez

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

Ah, i missed that F thing, fare enough.

i don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

and no more pre-orders left for you, fare enough..

did you finalize the pre-orders last month or 2? that maybe why you still have that score, its past tense.
your score has increase since last time, so i wouldn’t complain, be better then the others, you will rise above them.

Question is, next lot of hardware you make, or you going to advertise and take orders before final construction? (aka pre-orders), or are you going to build a stock and sell them there and then?

Hell, at least you haven’t tested your miners on animals! Tongue

on the other hand, you could just ignore this whole thing and run your business without even consolidating this list, Test the miners on animals, sell everyone a bit of paper with "I O U MINER" on it, ignore everyone’s problems and sell the crappiest chunks of scrap, then call yourself the best company, and run off with everyone’s money till the feds come after you!

tl:dr, it was the preorders that wrecked your score and BitFury is on the way down
Please read the last few pages here. The FF was discussed and the fact that we won't take pre-orders on our 3rd gen and why.
Testing on animals wasn't discuss.
hero member
Activity: 767
Merit: 500
et découpez

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

Ah, i missed that F thing, fare enough.

i don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

and no more pre-orders left for you, fare enough..

did you finalize the pre-orders last month or 2? that maybe why you still have that score, its past tense.
your score has increase since last time, so i wouldn’t complain, be better then the others, you will rise above them.

Question is, next lot of hardware you make, or you going to advertise and take orders before final construction? (aka pre-orders), or are you going to build a stock and sell them there and then?

Hell, at least you haven’t tested your miners on animals! Tongue

on the other hand, you could just ignore this whole thing and run your business without even consolidating this list, Test the miners on animals, sell everyone a bit of paper with "I O U MINER" on it, ignore everyone’s problems and sell the crappiest chunks of scrap, then call yourself the best company, and run off with everyone’s money till the feds come after you!

tl:dr, it was the preorders that wrecked your score and BitFury is on the way down
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