Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 34. (Read 131512 times)

You should check the definition of hissy fit. That's the kind of tantrum you usually throw.

Good job dogie sending Inaba into a hissy fit. +1 to your trust rating!

ok sorry deleted that part of my posting related to trust etc

Those that disagree are free to set up their own version of this guide, as Bick as done. There's no real reason to get the trust system involved.

Its all about careful wording and upselling. "We can't deliver X product due to delays, but call in today for your free upgrade to Y product, its even better"! Throw in the other required language and you bought yourself another 3 months shipping time unfortunately.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/17/6334533/online-retailers-ftc-shipping-rules

Eat shit retard scammer! Let's see how will you bend the rules now.

Been watching this thread and all...interesting ...to say the least....


I have NO DOUBT the outcome of this little test on the claims thrown about here (my view)

As to BFL imho the ONLY reason I got a refund ...and being 'charitable' to BFL and saying they were 'incompetent to make the monarch/asic" in any timely manner..
was because of the more then 1 year delay and pressures by the class action suit and other agencies looking into how/why it took 1 year since last august TAPEOUT
supposedly to ship a product and try to float the 'no refund' policy for that length of time....at the very least it was unsustainable from a consumer protection point
of view and 'supposedly' is being corrected with shipping and refunds...

again giving BFL the benefit of a doubt that they simply did not know what they were doing rather then it being a deliberate scam

I find it interesting that even in the above charitable light on the situation in my view...Josh/BFL is making any claims on a trustworthy rating by doggie
it seems almost 'self-defeating' by Josh to even attempt such

but again imho .....

.....but actions have consequences...for customers out $$$ for more then a year and companies reputations suffering
thru feedback/ratings/bitcointalk or whatever....thats the breaks

attempting to be above board here BFL did refund me 8.5k and seems to be refunding at this point as well...but they have a LONG LONG way to go imho
and probably should not be tossing gasoline on this thread...only actions in the future will help BFL .....the past will speak for itself....

so suck up and face your rating BFL ...you got some pride back with the refunds....only the future will fix/find any redemption the past ..whether you think
it fair or not is pretty much fixed imho in bitcoin lore..redemption is your only choice moving forward as a company

(well lets see how beat up I get on the above)

Searing

Right, okay. Yes, that's correct for HF. AMT have also shipped more than enough to trigger their requirement. Its just unfortunate timing for BFL, they'll be 10/10 soon^TM. This criteron isn't really meant to be looked into too deeply and everyone should score points unless you've made promises and not delivered on them for a long time [BFL Monarch until recently, or VMC entirely]. The one which looks more deeply is 'delivered on time?'.

I didn't disregard what you said, I agree that BFL should be a 5/10. Reread what I wrote, you have 10/10 for companies that have delivered a fraction of the hardware they should have with no indication that they ever will finish. Unless you're arguing that since it's time-weighted and though HF hasn't shipped anything in half a year they haven't actually tried to ship anything in that time, so they've shipped 100% of the product they planned on.

... You said 'yeah' and then disregarded what I said. I'm also not sure you've seen the last few pages where I said to Josh a few times that as soon as they deliver more Monarch based products they get their 10/10. At the time of the update, there was a press release saying "yeah we're delivering now" after 9 months of delays and that was it. There were very, very few of these units actually in customers hands.

Yeah, but HF delivered part of their batch 1, and haven't delivered anything since with no indication they'll ever ship anything again. AMT has delivered some (often incomplete and broken) units and has admitted they have no intention of delivering on the promised miner protection plan units, which is actually a larger number than the original orders. I don't disagree with BFL getting a 5/10, it is them being lower than the other companies that seems off. If someone held a gun to my head and told me I had to either buy a Monarch, X-3, BabyJet or AMT miner, I'd probably be sending my money to the first one as it's likely the only one I'd ever see anything in return.

Look at the criteria, its time based. They've barely delivered any monarchs, once they delivery more they get 10/10 like everyone else [its quite a unsensitive criteria that one].

Not sure why I'm even going to jump into the middle of this, but while no one would rate BFL at the top of the list having them below HashFast, Black Arrow and AMT seems rather silly. I'm not sure how Hashfast and AMT can have 10/10 for miners delivered while BFL has 5/10, or AMT having a higher Ethics score than anyone.

Grats on setting this record retard scammer!

....Something something stick my private key....empty my wallet.dat....something something fork my block chain....

Good find Gleb/PG!  Something moved in my datacenter, might have to see if the handicapped stall is free in my office first though.  

So wish some things could be unseen... .. .

damn you, Chuck... ^.^

=squeak=

Au contraire, giimoozaabi! She's not twerking, but goxxing her over-size black poodle on the bed in front of her, doing such via infinite vision to boot.


There's been a many words and terms coin since the advent of the Bitcoin space (that term included), with Goxed and ICO (Initial Cryptocurrency Offering), to name just two, entering the scene. BFLing's been around for awhile. In fact, I'd phantom a guess that there's enough to compile a dictionary.

On a side note, another Monarch has been found in the wild. NSFW: Caution! do not click here if... (but it sure is pretty and would to see it hash up close)

Good work with the guide.

Don't argue with Inaba, only wants to promote BFL now that is starting to produce their Monarch, and never admit that BFL has had a bad behavior as a company.

BFLing and Twerking both are words that have something in common.

Both need to disappear from reality and our common vocabulary.

When you got noobs buying outdated Jalapenos from Tigerdirect for $350 and fat girls thinkin they sexy, there's something wrong with this world....

Well, Josh should be back to revisit this thread in about an hour, or he'll stay away from the forum for a couple weeks, returning just prior to the next gen pre-order-or-be-left-out-in-the-cold episode of Days of BFL. I have first dibs on stating don't pre-order if you're not prepare to wait, wait, wait...