Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] - page 40. (Read 131506 times)

You are sack shit pure and simple.

There is no one in this community, bar the people you pay to lie in these forums, who would believe anything you say.

Walk away loser it is over for you and BFL. If anything the rating you get here is overly generous.


Going to come beg to get on the dais again like in HK? That was simply you at your most desperate and that is all you are doing here now cowboy... begging for attention. You do know people laugh when they hear BFL? Right you get that right? You are the joke.

How's that BPM... I mean Wasp... I mean.. whatever sham product you are hawk now treating you?  Got that product out yet?  No?  Aww...  Yet another failure for Bickdullski.  That makes you what... 0 for how many?  You have a 100% failure rate and you want to tell other people how to run a business?  Please...  Your entire life is one failure after another.

Failure to deliver is what you do.  BFL has delivered everything ordered.  It may be late, but at least they deliver.  Unlike you.

What a f-ing thief you are Inaba.

Give back the millions you stole.

BFL's rating is way too high considering what you have consistently failed to deliver time and time again.

Let us be clear no one should ever buy a BFL chip, BFL miner or use your mining pool / cloud hashing services. It is time the community put an end to BFL by simply not buying your brand of bullshit ever again. How long before the next bullshit product? 2 Weeks?

Are you serious?  That's exactly how it works.  Lets see here:

BFL:

Delivered miners?  Few ... I mean, it's not like BFL hasen't delivered over 50k miners or anything.  I guess anyone who's delivered less than 50k miners has delivered "few."  Oh wait... that doesn't jive with the rest of your chart.
Uses preorders?   Yes ... O Rly? BFL Hasn't taken preorders in months. Additionally we were and are selling off the shelf miners from the 65nm generation.
Refund Issues?   BFL has been issuing refunds to anyone and everyone who asks for them prior to delivery of their order for awhile now. Prior to that, any order that was over 6 months old was refundable in full.
Communication? We are more open about our process and timeline than just about anyone else in the industry.
Ethics: You've created a special category with our name because you don't like us, plain and simple.

So what's this BS about "I can't just set all their scores to 1 because you don't like them" again?  That's all your guide is, there's nothing objective about it. You set scores arbitrarily based off of zero facts or figures.  It's all about your flawed, biased opinion.  At least Bickdullski admits his guide is opinionated and biased.   

But by all means, carry on.  I just wanted to laugh at your knee slapper of a quote and point out your incredible hypocrisy.

Let's reserve judgement until we've had a chance to see what they've done, rather than on what they said they were going to do.

=squeak=

I need specific examples. They already have significant penalties on communication and refunds, I need evidence that they are specifically doing underhand things regarding refunds to lower their score further. They already have a penalty for running a commercial farm.

I can't just set all their scores to 1 because you don't like them, its not how it works.

Dropping $1-5M in chip orders makes it much less likely they're going up to do a runner on your order as the investment required is so much more substantial than buying in. If I'm an integrator, I can buy third party chips with as little as $3000. With $3000 I can build, test and offer working miners which is a significantly smaller 'investment' I was to reap a scam.

The huge investment of designing and fabricating one's own chip is therefore rewarded.

After the Backlash I gave Bitmain Tech on their Official Thread I was offered a Full Refund within 3 days and their Financial Department is doing a full Inquiry into all other Orders that may need to be Refunded. I have 1000 times more respect for Bitmain Tech now and would like to retract what I previously said. Although it took an extremely long time to get a Refund when made aware of the Unfulfilled Orders I was offered a Refund in Full as well as them Inquiring about all other Unfulfilled Orders. This is an extremely good move on Bitmain Tech's part and makes them all the more Trusthworhy in my opinion.

Bitmine has a way too high a score. Refunds, communication and ethics should all be 1/BFL. They owe customers hundreds of thousands if not millions and haven't paid a single refund in months. They answer maybe 1 out of 10 emails and every reply is some copy/paste BS. They built their own mining farm in Iceland using customer money they were supposed to pay back ages ago. They are definitely scammers, no doubt about it.

I really like your efforts here. Relative newbie saying "thanks".

how come using other companies chips drops the trustworthiness score?

I dont see how RM using AM chips should make them less trustworthy

Well I have multiple concerns about the rating you gave Bitmain.

Not for their benefit either.

1. They never returned any of my coins and do not even have an Antminer S1 available anymore for me to purchase. They also do not reply at all when I ask about it and refuse to give my coins back when I give them an address to send back to , post the transaction ids and details about my 3 orders.

This all stems back to when I originally tried to secure 3 Orders of Antminer S1s that I was going to purchase 1 for myself , 1 for abbeytim and 1 for GTRsdk.

Less then a month after the Antminer S1 was up for sale the Gridseeds starting coming out and after 2 Months they were fully out and A LOT more profitable then the Antminer S1.

I had sent roughly a total of 0.1 Bitcoin split among the 3 orders and as much as it's not alot of Bitcoin it's about the lack of communication , lack of repayment , lack of even looking at my order , lack of customer service and lack of caring at all on the part of Bitmain Tech.

So to say they have good Communication is bad. The lack of Communication I consider is terrible Communication.

To say they refund orders is a complete lie I have never once seen them refund an order ever.

2. The next concern I have is about their ethics and quality of the miners. They do not have good ethics because they premine constantly on your hardware to the extent of them being a completely over-used almost dead unit when it arrives. This has been proven many times that they do in fact do this and that they do it more often then other companies. This is proof the company does not care about you as a Customer nor do they care if your unit dies or does not meet ROI. They also get ROI numbers from when your Overclock the Unit. If you Overclock the Unit you lose any RMA you could ever get again and Bitmain Tech as a company is telling you to Overclock simply for the fact they want you to break your unit and not be able to replace it.

3. My final concern is about the Pre-Orders. They went from being a company that was against taking Pre-Orders and wanting to sell their products as they had them to being a Company that has moved everything to the Cloud and just wants to sell out fast not caring if anyone can reach ROI (which they can't).

Overall I really dislike Bitmain Tech for the way they handle things , I dislike their ethics and I dislike the fact they don't seem to care about me as a Customer.

i second this.

They indeed 'guaranteed' to match or beat the price of competitors, but kept coming up with excuses as to why they couldn't keep their promises. Some of the excuses include competitors miners being less energy efficient, and/or having no fancy additions like LCD, wifi, aluminium casing etc (stuff we didn't even ask for in the first place). And Blackarrow claiming 'military grade hardware' (which proved to be just another lie, since they called back their X-3's for, you guessed it, fire hazard.

Deleted most of the complains, not only in their own forum, but also in the official blackarrow thread on bitcointalk, which is of course self-moderated, and just short of 30% of the posts has been deleted. (the thread itself is just over 300 pages, the thread of deleted posts is over 100 pages)

up till the end of february they claimed not only to be on time, but actually 'ahead of schedule'. They kept silent until days prior to delivery date, when people started to ask for their log-in information (as they promised 5 days of hosted mining prior to shipping). Then, they send a mass-email delaying the shipment by about 1 month but offering a generous compensation. They also kept pretty silent during that month, and once it became clear they would miss yet another deadline, they 'upgraded' the compensation package and claimed it would take 'just a few more weeks'. They also asked for even more money by demanding us to pay extra for the PSUs of the compensation, as the PSU was not included in the new compensation plan. They also offered to ship just the ASIC chips rather than a complete miner.

They also blamed various suppliers for their failure, rather than taking the blame themselves.

They do not honor refunds, even though they claimed they would refund as soon as the first miners would ship. Which is obviously a lie, and the lie only served to delay the inevitable.

About a year ago i ordered a miner from BFL, and though, never again, this time i'll buy from a trustworthy company, and though BA would be different because they had a good reputation with FPGAs. But to be honest at least BFL delivered a miner that is still working (i gave it to my cousin though), and at least made me back some money (not sure if i broke even or not, but still), BA has yet to deliver anything and in fact i don't even want it anymore because it's outdated by now and it will cost more electricity than it will mine.

There are too many to list so here's just the main ones off the top of my head.

- Guaranteed price 25% less than the competition at time of shipping, which was later changed to match competition prices, then was completely thrown out the window because they couldn't afford to increase compensate due to their use of "premium quality parts".

- Completely lied in January about being on track for February delivery when they haven't even taped-out yet.

- Offered refunds but changed their mind and are now shipping hardware to those who requested them.

- Censoring negative posts on these and their own forums. Over 100 pages deleted on this forum alone. They even went as far as to make a moderating bot that automatically deletes certain users posts every 15 minutes. They are also claiming anyone with a negative opinion against BA is a paid shill from some competitor..

- Created a "naughtly list" like AMT so everyone critical of the company can receive special treatment. They even posted someones full name/address to "prove" they weren't a BA customer but in fact the person had purchased BA hardware from minersource (who gave BA the info).

- Apparently no money for refunds but enough money to make a scrypt asics as well as a 14nm bitcoin asic.

It's almost an exact repeat of BFL from a year ago.

Can you explain the BA BFLing. I had forgotten about the X3 problems, reversed it back to Major.

Nice update.

Although saying BA has minor quality issues is a huge stretch.

As far as I know every single X3 shipped to date is at risk of catching on fire, X1's have a 50/50 chance of being dead and plenty of other issues with the hardware.

Also AMT and BA both deserve 1/10 in ethics for BFL'ing.

I don't think it needs explaining why they deserve BFL status but incase you haven't been following the shitstorms I'd be happy to explain.

Need to see them actually deliver stuff.

Looks like you're missing Black Miner

^That.
Thanks for this thread.