Topic: Hhampuz using his position on forum to vindicate scams - page 3. (Read 1419 times)

No question. I believe you. My speculation was wrong. We are good. Coincidental timing between two feedback [F**k I removed it even before making the last post] accepted.

But wrongful negative tag? You sure it was wrongfully given. Even after my TED report? You are not able to see a case against Rollbit or any company where you are working like the way I will see. I have no interest [receive personal benefit] where you have benefits.

@BitcoinGirl.club I'll bet you any amount or reputation on nobody from Rollbit asking me to to anything about any accusations, trust or flags.

I have sometimes been asked by other clients what they can do and I always tell them to ignore it.

My conversations with any Rollbit staff has been the following for the longest time:
-hey, the wallet is running low could you top it up when you have time?
-I've topped up 4 weeks for you, have a great rest of your week!

Done. I have been the one asking them about some cases from time to time, maybe telling them they should reply or otherwise but we've never discussed discourse or anything of the kind. The fact that you of all people would even question me on that or for a second believe that's who I am makes me more glad the coincidental positive was left after your wrongful negative tag.

Your TED talk report was read very carefully and I have no problem trusting your opinion on any matter. You earned it from the years of dedication from the profession.

But in this specific matter please help me to believe that you were not asked by your employer to do something about it. I can not know what talk you had in between you and your employer but I can speculate, I could be totally wrong in my speculation.

I was closely following some of the cases against Rollbit at that time, I think in a few occasions I PMed their PR and requested to resolve things, I was just helping them to clean the accusations. I know when a business invest in the forum, it benefits the forum ecosystem, it helps bitcointalk forum to grow and become stronger. So when I find any negative vibration against any establish business, I always try to give them benefit of the doubt and try to keep them out of dart as much as I can but when something become too obvious and looks too odd which become hard to convince myself then I do things that I don't want to do. The forum is first after all.

My speculation, you saw the negative feedback I left, you were not completely sure what to do. On the other hand, you needed to make things easier too. So your immediate action was to leave a feedback of your experience with Rollbit over the years of relationship you had.

I don't disagree with the feedback you left, sure you are working for them for long two years, without having a good relationship with them, you could not continue the campaign. So your feedback is absolutely correct. But what absolutely wrong about this feedback was, it came just after a feedback that was left there to make others aware that Rollbit is not taking proper care of the accusations coming against them, they deny the payment, don't even give a good explanation. It happened in several occasions if I remember correctly or I would not even think about leaving the negative feedback.



Thank you. You are always helpful with information and update. I must give another benefit of doubt since I see there are not many new cases are made against Rollbit.

JollyGood, I am thinking of a promotion to collect all the good talks you give about me whenever you have a chance and reward some btc to the collectors. May be you start a reverse engineering tactic to empty my wallet. 15,555 posts [huge, huge contribution, unbelievable, If 1 Ratimov = 1000 Bitcoingirl then it looks like 1 JollyGood = 1200 Bitcoingirl. I am nobody and PROVED] made so far. You understand what I mean? This will be your chance to make me homeless.

@theymos, can I change my nick to Mr. Nobody please 🙄

That was literally the first thing the OP addressed.


What are you doing now?


Is there an echo in here?

Why do you guys care if the OP used a throwaway account?  The issue brought up by the OP was a good one.  He had a concern, asked the question, and got the answer from the community.  I'm not defending the OP, HH's review is perfectly justified, in my opinion.  This thread was valuable until about post 17, so now it's just going to be filled with spammers attacking the OP's choice to use an alt?  Don't you guys have better things to do?

Really, it's as if you guys are on que, making the case for the OP's choice and his first comment.

The issue here isn't that the OP used an alt (which was smart for obvious reasons,) but whether HH's review was unjustified, and whether Rollbit is scamming it's clients.  The status of the account who brought up the issue is meaningless.

Thank you for the summary, it pretty much summed things up --to an extent-- of the entire case of Rollbit v. Stakemeharder. However, you missed a point where Razer did gave a reply, though indirectly. Rollbit and Razer did not let the case hang dry. He replied to my PM for the case and which they agreed to solve it through a platform where they can freely provide evidences without having a concern of accidentally revealing their security secrets and detection techniques. And the platform that they recommended is the highest one: their very own licensor. As per the PM of I have the permission to share to public,

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Now, to address OP's allegation that Hhampuz use his position to vindicate scam, where the content of the thread refers to Rollbit, which implies the scam being referred on the title is Rollbit, with scam accusations against Rollbit as the basis of the argument. I wrote a nice list about it that happened and piled during Razer's short hiatus:


If I may tweak that list according to the latet update, case number 1 might as good as closed given the OP of that case never say anything anymore, so most likely they tried to abuse and found that they can't win [I'll level with you that I barely remember the case], and case number 2... of which mentioned above as Rollbit v. Stakemeharder, I made an error by referring them to CEG instead of GC, but everything is back on track. Stakemeharder had submitted his complaint and most likely GC [GamingCuracao, not CG, CasinoGuru] is in the middle of it.

And if I may add case number 7, Rollbit Stealing $10k from me, or we can probably refer it to Rollbit v. goodboyshams to avoid confusion as the amount is quite similar, Razer has also gave their stance for it, again, through my exchange of PM with him,


"Bottomline", "what I tried to say", "tl;dr:", "in short", whatever this next sentence serves: IMO this thread is somewhat baseless. To accuse Hhampuz of vindicating a scammer --in this case, Rollbit-- by leaving positive feedback to "counter" the negatives, the scammer themselves need to be proven as a scammer, thus the accusation/statement/question will have its weight, while what happens here is the opposite. Rollbit tackles the accusations against them in their best capacity without having to jeopardize their system. And when they can't, they'll redirect the complainant to their master license holder.

Will the last two cases rule in favor to the accuser or will it rule in favor to Rollbit is yet to be reached. But so far, evidences suggested that Rollbit did not scam their customer by confiscating funds without strong basis, thus, an idea that they're a scammer is yet to have a final say. And thus, an idea that Hhampuz use his position to vindicate scams [Rollbit] is also yet to have a final say. Thus, ultimately, baseless. Or, at the very least, premature.

Might be wise to mention here, though it's probably useless, that the trust system did not work like how it used to be. One Neg and one Pos does not negate each other, they still shows as a separate score.

Oh, and before anyone accuse me of siding with Rollbit --or Hhampuz, although that one is quite far fetched-- I think anyone who frequently visit scam accusations board will notice I haunt that board on daily basis to a point that probably Cyrus got bored of seeing me [LOL]. I tried my best to mediate disputes at best of my capacity there. When a user proven to be cheated, I'll agree with it, and when the opposite thing happen where a user tried to manipulate "The Neutrals" by driving certain narrative --if I may borrow yahoo's words, "the accuser usually isn't sharing the whole story. They're sharing the part that makes them look like they were scammed."-- I'll make it clear too.

Why don't you come up with your real account and tell all these things. If you believe that you are saying the correct thing, trust me no one can harm you. Hiding behind a newbie account doesn't help your arguement any good.


Aren't you doing the same thing ? Hiding your main account which may in Hhampuz campaign already or even if it is not currently, you fear that Hhampuz  won't take you in campiagns in future  

Define "targeted by others"

This thread is titled: Hhampuz using his position on forum to vindicate scams therefore where is the vindication?

If you can provide evidence of your particular claim you should be open about it and use your real forum name. If you have no claim at all and are simply a spectator that seems to think Hhampuz is behaving inappropriately then you have made your point, others have read it.

Until or unless you are prepared to use your real forum name to make a complaint you are doing a disservice to the community therefore you should lock this thread.

And what moral authority does that one member provide to your allegation? It is one member that you singled out from thousands and used him as an example of behaving positively/fairly but how does it bring any credibility to your claim from that one member? He is literally a nobody with no moral authority in the forum therefore what type of elevated status are you personally granting him?

What you are implying is that if members wearing a signature managed by Hhampuz post here, you will say their posts are fair/unbiased if they support you and any that oppose your claim will be dismissed because of alleged allegiance to the campaign manager. Do you realise how ridiculous you are sounding?

Imagine if you were enrolled on one of his signature campaigns, that would be highly embarrassing for you. Maybe that is why you are not using your real member account.

Gambling section in bitcoin forum is still fine because Hhampuz is there. If anyone complains against Hhampuz manager it will be a lie. Because Hhampuz exists, hundreds of users of Bitcoin Forums are still earning from Bitcoin Forums by promoting their signatures. Hhampuz manager has been termed as an ideal idolman of bitcoin forum. Please refrain from making defamatory allegations against him.
Hhampuz has never promoted a scam project and never will.@OP Thank you very much for bringing out a certain piece of virtues Hhampuz sir.

He's a degen, as most gamblers are, and while gaining profits he could have lost it all on a bad bet or just straight through the slot machines. You can definitely take advantage of a system and not be in profit, I've seen it myself.

This is quite clever of you and does you credit. But from what you say I have a doubt.


How was he supposed to take advantage of the system without profiting from it? I believe that this hypothesis is unrealistic.

And why didn't you @OP login into your main account instead of this Newbie account you created today? I assume that you participated in one of Hhampuz's signature campaigns before, and you had no luck working with him, so you made up this drama.

Indeed, the following proverb, "Stones are thrown only at fruit-bearing trees." applies to the fact that you are discrediting a person who is one of the most trusted members of the forum and has worked for many years with many legitimate projects and casinos that have become famous and have reached their promotional goal through him.

Hhampuz's job is to run & manage campaigns for which he works as a promoter and through which many hunters work in promoting a project or a casino. To be fair, I have seen for many years that he chooses his clients carefully. This manager did not gain this wide reputation overnight, and if the client who hired him had already paid him his job and the hunter's dues for many years without any issues, then why did he not write positive feedback as a result of this?

Aside from the Rollbit issue, has Hhampuz forced any member here to play at any casino whatsoever that was promoted? Hhampuz is not a third party between the player, the casino, or one of the casino teams. As mentioned, his job is to promote only. It is the responsibility of any member or player to do his own research. It is unfortunate that any member violates the policies of any casino because he did not read the terms of use well or he used one of the crooked methods that led to his account being banned. He comes and publishes false scam accusations and accuses Hhampuz of vindicating scams!!!

No clients of mine would ever ask me to intervene in a case or give them positive feedback/support or oppose a flag from a position of power or legitimacy. I rarely even discuss these cases with my clients as I give my opinion on the matter to them in private if/when that happens. I'm not on DT1 and I've never asked to be put in these situations, at the end of the day I'm just a user like many of you, with my own opinions and thoughts on what's going on here.

For this particular case, my personal belief is that this user took advantage of a system and came out ahead of it (profit). He then got called out for it by Rollbit and subsequently banned with any remaining funds confiscated. I do not see a problem with this. Had this user not been in profit, I would probably argue otherwise and give Rollbit some sort of ultimatums to get it solved. It's a matter of opinion. Some of you guys around here are extremely naive and have absolutely no idea what it takes to run a business. You can have all of your wishful thinking and your own opinions, which you are entitled to, but I am a firm believer in trusting businesses that deal in extreme volumes over single case users on this forum. I also am a firm believer in the service not having to share full details of what abuse any user has committed as that would only open the door for more abuse. It's actually quite simple - don't be an asshat and don't try and take advantage of these services and you will in 99.9% of cases never face any issues. Obviously the service can be wrong sometimes too, but most often it gets resolved quickly when that happens.

I have had accounts on all gambling sites I promote without letting the client know that it's me, with major deposits/withdraws and thorough testing over long periods of time and I never face any issues. I've even been nasty to support reps just to see what would happen and never do they treat me wrong.

So, if you are of the opinion that I'm in a position of power where I can silence users who have legitimately been scammed by a service that I run a campaign for - by all means ~Hhampuz. My feelings about this, and the smaller "clique" of users who love to farm drama and bad scam accusations will likely not change.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Trust feedback is meant for expressing your experience towards a service or user. It’s main use is to give feedback on a deal done between two parties involved. Trust feedback was originally dedicated for the marketplace so that use will have an idea on what’s they will experience when trading on specific user.

Hhampuz expressed his own experience towards rollbit and the scam accusation doesn’t related on Hhampuz deal to rollbit. Trust feedback is not moderated which means a user is free to give a positive feedback on any user as long as they have a successful deal. Trust feedback and adding someone on trust list is two different things.

Is this a discussion about Rollbit's business, or about Hhampuz's support for them?
As far as I can see, Hhampuz only gave his feedback about their mutual cooperation, which I see as completely legitimate for now.


This is absolutely true, and one of the reasons why I always have a great deal of reserve towards similar accusations.


Because of the unclear and confused presentation of the facts, the strongest support was missing.


I left neutral feedback on the Rollbit Razer account, just the way I think it should be, and my opinion hasn't changed. Their handling of the charges is very slow and vague. The only thing that stopped me from giving them a negative tag was that I didn't see any definite accusations with clear proof against them.

This is about as accurate you could get with the general manner in which scam accusations are being made (against any business) when usually other information provided by the accuser or not released earlier puts their claim in doubt at the least.

In all honesty, any notion that Hhampuz is using his position as a campaign manager to give scams the green light, is preposterous. With his years of management within the forum, for any allegation against Hhampuz to be taken seriously there needs to more than an aggrieved member not happy with positive feedback which he mistakenly sees as an endorsement of a scam.

LoyceV, Since you have some kind of interest to check, let me help.
Since screenshots can be edited, forget about them and see what the accusation is and the roll bit response.

The accuser said he started implementing a strategy where he could make easy money instead of placing blind bets. He started betting exclusively on low-odd matches like 1.003 -1.02 (He also places bets on a bit higher odds like 1.5). Quoting the accuser;


On April 15th, his account was disabled/banned, saying;


After that, several Dt members, including holydarkness, yahoo62278, and BitcoinGirl.Club asked several questions to the accuser and Rollbit Razer. The accuser shared the information he had to share.

Once again, Rollbit Razer replied;


After this response, Rollbit Razer did not reply on this case anymore while the accuser is suspected of abusing the Rakeback system. They were placing bets on low-odd matches to wager and claim bonuses or something. The problem is Rollbit Razer did not share what he abused.

This question from yahoo62278 remained unanswered;


Note: BitcoinGirl.Club, yahoo62278, examplens, and holydarkness observed the case. I guess they can share their thoughts about it. I believe Rollbit has other things to say except the player is in profit. After reading this post, You can continue to read the original post of this thread.

Edit: I will take this opportunity to clear my position.
I still believe the feedback from Hhampuz is valid, and there is no wrong.
But, I also believe that flag opposition from Hhampuz without knowing the full case is throwing a blind shot. If he knows the full case, still supporting Rollbit, if you feel you disagree, then ~Hhampuz. Since I don't see Hhampuz supporting/opposing the flag too often, I believe he did it because Rollbit asked, which does not look good to me.

Sorry my English is not so good and I am not a perfect speaker, I didn't mean to insult anyone. 

What I saying is. I understand if someone has cheated that this can happen, but also it's a easy solution to this problem don't allow deposits before you accepted the user, if you want KYC from them take it, if not, don't do it, but then don't ask for it if them win big either.  

My opinion is that right is right and wrong is wrong, and if someone hasn't done anything wrong, they should not be threat this way, but I they did wrong they may deserve it.
But as I said, it's a solution to this, but if they would apply that, they would lose a lot of their income, so I understand why they don't do it. I think it's disgusting.

Best regards. / CC

Hhampuz is the campaign manager, and his feedback is related to his position and current relationship with the service provider. I do not see his action as a vindicating scam. Moreover, if I'm not mistaken, Hhampuz has, on more than one occasion, refused to cooperate with services that looked suspicious or had negative sentiment from a number of prominent members or the wider forum community. He even went as far as repeatedly paying campaign participants out of his own pocket when the project owners turned to the dark side.

Hence, accusing him of siding with scams is completely unfounded, as he has demonstrated time and again that he values his reputation above the money he earns from campaigning on a weekly basis.

As for this particular case and the accusation that Stakemeharder made against Rollbit casino, I really can't pass my judgment because, as LoyceV noted, the whole case is kind of messy, and we have bits and pieces of information shared across multiple posts, so it's challenging to form a conclusive opinion. Based on the few screenshots I've seen, there does appear to be some unusual betting activity, as risking thousands of dollars at 1.003 or 1.008 odds doesn't seem to make much sense unless it's a way to take advantage of rakeback. Now, whether this alone justifies banning a user and confiscating their balance, I cannot say, and there might be additional reasons that the casino is not disclosing.

My only suggestion is that Stakemeharder should try to present the case as clearly and transparently as possible, and also seek stronger community support or the opinion of a third-party mediator.

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@CYBER_COWBOY, I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your comments are just plain nonsense. You contradict yourself in half of what you're saying.

How's this:
Did you really have to notify and PM me for this while I'm sleeping?

Either way, the accusation post is messy, and if it can't be explained clearly in one post, I don't have the time to go over more than a hundred posts. Screenshots are useless as evidence if I don't trust the source, as they're easy to edit.

Almost every crypto online casino is nothing else then mafias, they pretend to be your friend and are polite and helpful until you are lucky and winning big, then the problems start.
I am little bit shocked to see all these scam accusing on this forum, and all problem seems to be when a player winning big, then they start to make up stories, request impossible KYC.
They should get rid of their license and pay back all the money.

Now with that said I don't say every casino is like this, but a lot of them seems to be like these, I been lucky and never had any problem with this, but never won millions either so maybe that's the reason.
I normally only wager around $10k in a month & I am very happy where I play right now.

Why can't everyone get a long and be honest, everything would be so much funnier then, because most of us love gambling and see it as a funny thing, but when things like this happens it take all the fun away.

It's humans that have bills to pay you stealing from, and I am almost sure if you would have seen this people in front of you, you would not act like this, because if you see your victim it's not so fun.

I don't understand this greed, you already make millions and millions and more millions, but it  does not seems to be enough... to all online casinos, stop being so greedy.

Of course sometimes when they seize funds it's totally right and some people try to cheat, then they should ban them, but not against honest people.

And one thing I don't understand, everyone I mean everyone, no matter of age or where you live, can deposit how much you want and play and lose... but not everyone can withdrawal winnings.
If you can deposit you should always be able to withdrawal!! Always!

Do your KYC and shit before anyone deposits and start playing! It would be so easy and would solve all problems, but of course it would minimize your earnings.. A LOT A LOT!

It's sad.