Horse Racing and Gambling on it should be banned - page 11.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 01:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.
The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.
According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).
Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

I really like animals and therefore i don't watch or bet on stuff like horse or dog racing because everyone that is not completely naive knows that most of those animals are having a pretty bad life. Like you already said those poor horses get whipped so excessively during a race just to keep on running even though they are already completely exhausted. That being said i don't think that we will see a ban on horse or dog racing anytime soon. As others in this thread have already mentioned, horse racing is probably one of the oldest sports out there and there is also a huge amount of money involved. We can just hope that changes will be made in order to improve the live of the animals that are involved.

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When I was young, I used to read a Japanese comic book about horse racing. In that story, the horse is happy and develops a strong relationship with its caretaker, trainer, and jockey. Sure, the enemy or the "evil horse" uses drug and has dark backstory behind it. Anyway, what I want to say is, there are good apples and bad apples. You shouldn't cherry pick bad apples and then discard all of it. It's best to regulate the industry better so we can be assured that everyone is happy (except rekt bettor, lol).

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If horses die during the horse racing means the horse is maybe not healthy enough for the race. I think you can be saying the horses needs to be taken care of before they are used for the race. Horce racing is an old game both online and real life and they have been dying just like human beings. In soccer and other human games people die in the act. Horse race is not the only race, others are existing and will get continue.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 29, 2022, 01:38:57 PM

This is a very ancient sport/game. It is not going to get banned. Probably never. Lots of football players die of heart attack every year. They run like horses too. The are many similarities between a horse race and a soccer game. Just because footballers die sometimes, do we need to ban football/soccer? This logic don't make any sense to me.

I should note that after covid vaccination there is a significant increase in heart attacks among athletes, including football players. I won't develop any conspiracy theories around this, but it has attracted a lot of attention.
As for comparisons with human sports, I agree with you, but there is a nuance: everywhere there is some acceptable percentage of deaths after which sport becomes unacceptable. For example, it was great in boxing before, and after the legislators ordered the boxing federation to fix it or close it, doping requirements and some rules were changed in favor of athletes. This greatly reduced the number of deaths in the ring (and out of it).
Now the important question is what is the actual mortality rate among racehorses and whether we can consider it acceptable to require a change in the format of the competition or something else to reduce it.

We have to accept that some animals are being used to make money. Some of them function that way not just because its necessary but tradition. Horse raising will always be a traditional game and it will never be banned because there will be lots of gamblers that will disagree. There are really unacceptable animals being used in gambling but we have to deal with it.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 01, 2022, 11:22:12 AM

Banning is not good in the old days, horse racing is a tradition and Horses are created for transportation and moving we are just using their innate capability, we are not forcing them to run because they will run even if they are in a wilderness, so why not we take care of them and let them run and we bet on their innate capability,

If horse racing with innate ability is part of traditional competition then I'm sure everyone will support it, but if every horse racer with ambition wants to win by various means of cheating then race organizers should consider or disqualify horse racers from similar competitions.

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The jockey and the cattle racers takes care of the horse though. Diagnosing the heart is probably just ignored as long as it can run, I guess its what matters for them.

We probably can only stop it when there is the decline of horse population but today that's not a problem. We still have wild horses in our country, the government made it illegal to catch them. But the ones in the captivity and bred for many purpose, one is racing. Its a tradition, tourism and business which kinda hard to stop just like cockfighting. The government also made it legal for this kind of business and if its making money, it will not be banned.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 01:29:27 PM

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

How can that happen, don't they check the health of the horse first before competing, I used to often do real horse racing bets, not on a gambling site, I know very well the rules for horses before jumping into the field to be raced, there are veterinarians and a team that checks the horse is eligible to race or not.

I suspect that there was a cheating game in the horse racing betting that you were participating in at that time, this is strange, horses with a history of heart attacks should not take part in the match, why the horse can pass in the match, there is a shrimp behind a rock if that happens.

@fiulpro, horse racing betting is hard to get rid of and avoid, that one sport in some areas has become a tradition that must be held, it's just that we decide whether we want to bet or not.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 30, 2022, 11:14:28 AM

There are are animal sports that is more cruel than this like cock fight that literally let Rooster kill each other until the other becomes dead to declare winner. They are both animals yet this game is not being in question for abuse.

That is not cruel in any way. It is like boxing. Both cocks fighting are assumed to be of equal strength until it is found out not to be so by one surrendering in the fight. That is the same thing boxers do in the rings. The only way it can be cruel is if one of the roosters is tied to a stick with a short rope that prevents its movement while the other is left free to fight and peck it.

Quote from: Beparanf on April 30, 2022, 11:14:28 AM

If horse racing will be ban, I think all animal sports should be ban too since they are all animals and in risk of sick once pur under physical pressure.

If other animal sports also carry the same level of stress horse racing carries, they should be banned. Maybe horse racing would not be bad if the horses are allowed to race without people mounting them. That weight of humans they carry is stress on its own and that is not good for their health.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 29, 2022, 01:38:57 PM

This is a very ancient sport/game. It is not going to get banned. Probably never. Lots of football players die of heart attack every year. They run like horses too. The are many similarities between a horse race and a soccer game. Just because footballers die sometimes, do we need to ban football/soccer? This logic don't make any sense to me.

I should note that after covid vaccination there is a significant increase in heart attacks among athletes, including football players. I won't develop any conspiracy theories around this, but it has attracted a lot of attention.
As for comparisons with human sports, I agree with you, but there is a nuance: everywhere there is some acceptable percentage of deaths after which sport becomes unacceptable. For example, it was great in boxing before, and after the legislators ordered the boxing federation to fix it or close it, doping requirements and some rules were changed in favor of athletes. This greatly reduced the number of deaths in the ring (and out of it).
Now the important question is what is the actual mortality rate among racehorses and whether we can consider it acceptable to require a change in the format of the competition or something else to reduce it.

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Quote from: Zackgeno96 on April 30, 2022, 10:38:44 AM

I actually don't have idea that happened to a horse, does it mean it also happened to the greyhounds racing? I really am not a fan of any gambling that uses animals including rooster fighting, for me it should be banned but I think it would not be easily banned since from way before horse racing is a normal thing.

Banning is not good in the old days, horse racing is a tradition and Horses are created for transportation and moving we are just using their innate capability, we are not forcing them to run because they will run even if they are in a wilderness, so why not we take care of them and let them run and we bet on their innate capability,

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Are only horses considered exploited animals? If so, then I think every sport becomes part of the exploitation of both animals and humans. All athletes get training and health care and so do animals and when they die I think that's part of life. But if it's just talking about horse racing, I personally feel there is no problem as long as the procedure is done well. But if this case is related to gambling then it comes back to the consciousness of every individual, because a bettor just bets without knowing what will happen next. Unlike the case if the animal is fought to the death, then betting and tournaments like this should be prohibited.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 01:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

I know that's sad but at the same time it's happening from so many years already.
Even though so many animals die because of such cruelty on them they still conduct these events/bettings/fetivals etc...
It's hard to accept the fact that humans have this mindset right from the beginning to care less about animals.
But still there are people who are kind enough to help the poor animals and save them from such cruel actions on them.
To answer your question I think that horse racing should be regulated so that fewer animals die because of it.

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It's saddening to see animals being exploited for financial gain. There are many things I think you can consider being done in that kind of industry.

Racing is hard for the horse
Drugging or doping
Losing horses tend to be discarded

I have seen that some drugs that are being used are snake venom. That's going to be harmful, and that's probably why there are a lot of horses dying in a short period within the industry.

I'm not sure how different it would be from using animals for food, but this is brutal because it is just for entertainment.

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That's very sad to know. Cry

I am gambler and I've thought of betting into horse racing years before but I didn't do that even when I've stepped into cryptocurrencies. It's true that gambling with animals involved have a darker side.

But despite that reality that has been shared, many would still go and bet on it and won't be stopped by any sentiments because they're into it for a long time.

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I think there is already a previous topic about animal abuse in gambling but I think this is not a new news for us and many people are still a patron of this kind of games and I think they are going to banned it easily as many people are still playing or placing bets to horse racing and other gambling that uses animals.

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All animal-based races and fights should be banned completely if that's the case. Lots of events involving animals for the entertainment of humans are still around, and not even PETA or any other concerned NGOs are up the throats of these organizers and the likes. I get your sentiment about animal cruelty and all that, but your sentiment must also include other events involving other animals as well.

I support the ban of gambling events involving animals for human entertainment consumption.

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The amount of money behind horse racing Is impressive.
Probably there are more Money on that sports that in football itself.
Just have a look on betfair.com and follow the various race to have an idea of the amount of money on horse racing... It's something that can't be stopped in a short time and there Is an entire industry on that sport...

I have appreciated a lot this sport. Betting Is really addictive and After a while its Easy to Remember top jockeys, stables, trainers...
And yes wellness of horse must be at First Place. Always.
I still remember with regret the death of synchronized.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronised_(horse)

one month after winning the Cheltenham gold cup ... he was put down due to a broken leg ... After this event I have not followed or placed bets ....

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Quote from: Cling18 on April 30, 2022, 10:52:06 AM

It's a traditional racing game and despite what is happening to horses, most gamblers are really hooked on it. There are actually lots of animals being involved in gambling which is really heartbreaking, especially to animal lovers but we can't control it since gamblers find it more exciting and thrilling. It's too saddening because animals have to suffer for the satisfaction of gamblers.

Yeah, I saw many movement about banning this kind of game on change.org but it lacks support since there's no clear eveidence for animal cruelty besides the few incidents per race that same like OP describes. There are are animal sports that is more cruel than this like cock fight that literally let Rooster kill each other until the other becomes dead to declare winner. They are both animals yet this game is not being in question for abuse.

If horse racing will be ban, I think all animal sports should be ban too since they are all animals and in risk of sick once pur under physical pressure.

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Quote from: Cling18 on April 30, 2022, 10:52:06 AM

It's a traditional racing game and despite what is happening to horses, most gamblers are really hooked on it. There are actually lots of animals being involved in gambling which is really heartbreaking, especially to animal lovers but we can't control it since gamblers find it more exciting and thrilling. It's too saddening because animals have to suffer for the satisfaction of gamblers.

Yes I think it would be hard for people or for anyone to stop like this and I think it is not all the time that the horse died in a horse racing and I think they all are taking care of since they can't participate in a racing if they are not in a good condition.

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It's a traditional racing game and despite what is happening to horses, most gamblers are really hooked on it. There are actually lots of animals being involved in gambling which is really heartbreaking, especially to animal lovers but we can't control it since gamblers find it more exciting and thrilling. It's too saddening because animals have to suffer for the satisfaction of gamblers.

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