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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

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That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

It is unlikely that in the foreseeable future it will be possible to exclude horse racing from the types of sports competitions. As well as camel racing in some Middle Eastern countries. All these events are so traditional, have lasted for centuries and even millennia and literally constitute an integral element of the national culture.
For example, in England it is even impossible to imagine that the British would refuse such competitions. So unfortunately no animal advocates are able to cope with this task.
And horse, and, by the way, camels, too, and so will continue to die during the race and after them.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

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I don't think horse racing will ever be banned(maybe until the market for it dwindles or something), they've had a lot of chance of banning it but instead, they put stricter regulations on how the horses are treated.

Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought.

I remember reading somewhere that the reason they just kill the injured horses instead of trying to rehabilitate them to its full health is that it is expensive and even if the horse has been recovered to it's full health there is no guarantee that it could perform like before.

Yes, horses also break psychologically.

If a horse has been seriously injured while racing, it is likely that he will not be able to fully recover psychologically. Even if the injury has completely healed, the horse will run less quickly and more cautiously. It happens at the level of instincts.

At the same time, it is easier for an athlete to recover psychologically in such situations. There are special psychological methods of recovery after severe injuries. There is also a pharmacological solution to such problems by taking appropriate drugs.

However, most of these methods do not work with animals.

But sending horses to be slaughtered is inhumane.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on May 04, 2022, 06:07:22 AM

We know guys that if there's money involve within this kind of activity or transaction of course large known people under with this event don't want to let this go it's all about their source of earnings but still it depends on the government approval with this kind of game, quite hard to make a decision because we know the different perspective but in my side I'm against too with the horse race game.

If there are a lot of people who make money from this industry then if when you want to ban it, they will all be against you and that will be a community problem with the people who already oppose you.

Saying you will ban horse racing will cause thousands of people to be affected, the people who work and their families, they will be rioting against you and at the very least lynch you online with hashtags and all. All of your opponents and their fans will use this and they will try to turn this into a reason why not to vote for you. This is why it is hard to say that you will ban horse racing, maybe something that doesn't impact peoples livelihood would be easier.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

I honestly second you word by word, and funny enough, this is exactly the thing I always think about any time I gets clip of animal racing, makes me wonder, what exactly do we gain from forcing animals to run in the field,?
My guess is that it's nothing, I honestly agree with the op that animal racing should be banned, cus I see no need for it when we humans already have many hundreds of thousands of games to choose from, must we involve animals

With the huge taxes they imposed and the many industries and companies that the horse racing industry is supporting, I don't think it's even possible especially for third world countries like ours where the unemployment is very high, if they clamped horse racing, the unemployment will rise and revenue will decrease.
Horse racing is much better to maintain than cock fighting or any other sports where the animals involved are fighting each other to the death, the government should just impose strick regulation.

Depending on economic status or situation yet government wouldnt really impose ban or restrictions on something that generates higher revenue or taxes and they wont be boggled up with those cruelty issues
and stuffs because what matter the most is economic development and less priorities on other aspects such as animal consideration or protection but if there would be lots of appeals and complaints
then they might be considering that but its unlikely to happen and i would be sure of that.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

I honestly second you word by word, and funny enough, this is exactly the thing I always think about any time I gets clip of animal racing, makes me wonder, what exactly do we gain from forcing animals to run in the field,?
My guess is that it's nothing, I honestly agree with the op that animal racing should be banned, cus I see no need for it when we humans already have many hundreds of thousands of games to choose from, must we involve animals

With the huge taxes they imposed and the many industries and companies that the horse racing industry is supporting, I don't think it's even possible especially for third world countries like ours where the unemployment is very high, if they clamped horse racing, the unemployment will rise and revenue will decrease.
Horse racing is much better to maintain than cock fighting or any other sports where the animals involved are fighting each other to the death, the government should just impose strick regulation.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

I honestly second you word by word, and funny enough, this is exactly the thing I always think about any time I gets clip of animal racing, makes me wonder, what exactly do we gain from forcing animals to run in the field,?
My guess is that it's nothing, I honestly agree with the op that animal racing should be banned, cus I see no need for it when we humans already have many hundreds of thousands of games to choose from, must we involve animals

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

Perhaps it makes sense to ban horse racing. I feel very sorry for the horses.

Unlike athletes - people, they cannot receive benefits in the form of monetary incentives. Nobody asks horses if they want to compete or not. In fact, they are being exploited by force. In fact, there is animal cruelty. It's not fair.

Exactly. If horses have free will and intelligence enough to avoid becoming a pawn for entertainment, they'd do it in a heartbeat. No incentives for racing horses after they won the game. Perhaps a few days/weeks of rest in their stables and then it's race time/practice time again. Oftentimes this is not even the case. If the horse wins the race, shortly after they will train it again to 'harden' the poor animal. It's cruel, and people who organize and enjoy this race should realize it.

As long money is involved or simply money talks then majority wont really be minding about those animal condition whether they do need some rest or some curing or something like that after a
race but instead they do really mind on how to make it even more better for the next race which is really indeed harsh.Is there something we can do about it? None.
Its their horses, therefore they do have the full rights on what they would gonna do into it.

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Quote from: m2017 on May 03, 2022, 01:12:23 PM

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But when they are used as bets, they also help people.

I would be interested to know how betting on animals helps people? As food, everything is clear to me, but as a subject of bets - no. Would you care to enlighten me on this matter?

If a person enjoys horse racing and betting on this event, then this is a sufficient condition for considering the provision of such entertainment as a benefit for people. Or do you think otherwise? Do you think that you are the judge and decide how people can have fun or not?

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After all, if people do this, it means they have such a need.

Need what? Having fun betting on animals? Looking forward to victory and bet winnings? Is this what people need? I've never bet on animals (this doesn't make me a saint in any way), but I just don't understand the need a bit.

Yes, having fan. Yes, looking forward to victory and bet winnings. Yes this is what people needs - these are facts. This is reality. If you live in a fictional world where this whole industry exists because people are forced to bet on animal competitions, then it's time for you to tweak your worldview a bit and return to reality.

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I understand that somewhere there is a border where the treatment of animals becomes cruel and unacceptable, but to be honest, I don’t know where it is and at what point we should put the interests of animals above the interests of man.

But for me it is difficult to define this border. Is it cruelty when a jockey makes horse run as hard as can? Is this very different from a horse on its own running fast somewhere in the wild being chased by predators?

Things are even worse for animals at meatpacking plants, but... tell me, are you a vegetarian? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

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I don't think horse racing will ever be banned(maybe until the market for it dwindles or something), they've had a lot of chance of banning it but instead, they put stricter regulations on how the horses are treated.

Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought.

I remember reading somewhere that the reason they just kill the injured horses instead of trying to rehabilitate them to its full health is that it is expensive and even if the horse has been recovered to it's full health there is no guarantee that it could perform like before.

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I think most horse racing people love and care for their horses so well that they are cared for at all times.
If they are sick or injured, they get immediate medical attention and they are well fed and they are cared for like family.
and before the race is also checked as a whole including health by a special team of the horse racing committee and also the horse team, if the horse has a problem then it is not included in the race or replaces another horse, because it will endanger the jockey if the horse is not good.
Horses will be good if in the hands of people who are good and right and also love their horses, and vice versa.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

Perhaps it makes sense to ban horse racing. I feel very sorry for the horses.

Unlike athletes - people, they cannot receive benefits in the form of monetary incentives. Nobody asks horses if they want to compete or not. In fact, they are being exploited by force. In fact, there is animal cruelty. It's not fair.

Exactly. If horses have free will and intelligence enough to avoid becoming a pawn for entertainment, they'd do it in a heartbeat. No incentives for racing horses after they won the game. Perhaps a few days/weeks of rest in their stables and then it's race time/practice time again. Oftentimes this is not even the case. If the horse wins the race, shortly after they will train it again to 'harden' the poor animal. It's cruel, and people who organize and enjoy this race should realize it.

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I don't think it should be banned, it should be virtualized.

I have seen in the past virtual horse races where you can bet. And this way no horse gets damaged or abused in this sport. I'm not sure if someone offers this game now. But it could be a nice project for big casinos like Roobet or Stake.

I like that idea.

Having it virtually will have the idea of no more stressing the horses and I've seen those virtual ones and even I've played with it. This is much better than those using real horses.

But there are the bettors that would think that this can be rigged since it's virtual but that's part of it, a very common thought.

the actual experience in horse betting is still different from the real one. and when you are in a horse racing stadium, you would definitely know the reason why. sometimes, it serves as meeting place of family members, friends, colleagues or business partners and enjoy the race. i don't think someone can be the reason to change this culture.
but if you are not up to outdoor race, virtual racing is indeed a good one to explore with, esp by casinos/bookies as we are limiting our interaction with other people during this pandemic era.

Well, it's an alternative and good solution for those that see the cruelty of betting on live horses.

It's true that the experience is different and you're going to see that the actual horse racing is more exciting than it. But you don't want to see that side that we're all agreeing that we don't like.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

I was spending some time with my friends parents and there was not only a huge party but all of them placed p2p bets on the horse racing. They asked me to come over as well, the ending was deeply sad and essential to cover : The horse died after winning of a heart attack.

The horse was presenting signs of heart attack on the camera but no one was actually even giving it a second thought and at the end when it was the last lap, all the horses got whipped excessively hard as well. That gets me to my point "why do you support horse racing?" This is honestly far to cruel to continue.

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

Perhaps it makes sense to ban horse racing. I feel very sorry for the horses.

Unlike athletes - people, they cannot receive benefits in the form of monetary incentives. Nobody asks horses if they want to compete or not. In fact, they are being exploited by force. In fact, there is animal cruelty. It's not fair.

Perhaps horse racing should be banned for humanitarian reasons. In the future, races involving robots - centaurs or virtual horses - may become popular.

Living beings will not take part in such competitions.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on April 29, 2022, 01:14:01 PM

Even humans do have heart attack. Horses are not giving medical care like humans.

You want horse race to be banned? Then you should want human 100 meter, others short distance and marathon races to be banned too.

If you want it to be banned, I mean hourse race, you want many other races to be banned, such as dog race. If you want that, you need to have political power. Even if you have political power, there are many chances that your proposal may not be accepted.

I think instead of wishing it to be banned, strict regulations must be followed by the organization handling the horse races.

Given that horses are animals and their natural strength has been used as a form of gambling, then it requires that governments must impose strict standards against these organizations for the welfare and care for these horses. But the fact that this kind of gambling has been around since time immemorial suggest that this will not be banned anytime soon.

Unless you can actually prove that these organizations mishandle the treatment of these horses, then I doubt that this would be removed as a form of gambling.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

Unfortunately this one is already a huge industry which bring to the government a huge taxes so I don't think they regulate this old sports what other say about it. Maybe for now no people can do anything about those unfortunate incident towards the horse in stable. But hopefully there are politicians who have political will to stop animal cruelty and save them up toward this violence to them.

The government get the taxes from horse racing sports and not from gambling. So it is possible that there is a ban on horse racing betting?

Perhaps when there is no betting involved in horse racing, the sport may lose the popularity to some extent ?

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

Unfortunately this one is already a huge industry which bring to the government a huge taxes so I don't think they regulate this old sports what other say about it. Maybe for now no people can do anything about those unfortunate incident towards the horse in stable. But hopefully there are politicians who have political will to stop animal cruelty and save them up toward this violence to them.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 03, 2022, 12:54:53 PM

But when they are used as bets, they also help people. After all, if people do this, it means they have such a need. I understand that somewhere there is a border where the treatment of animals becomes cruel and unacceptable, but to be honest, I don’t know where it is and at what point we should put the interests of animals above the interests of man.

Animals help people to be able to win bets in the form of money. But we can use other ways to bet and not use animals and we already know. People need to get money but don't have to use animals to bet if possible.

I am not an animal lover but I am sad if I see animals treated arbitrarily. But we have our own opinions about using animals as betting and hopefully, you understand what I mean.

Quote from: virasog on May 04, 2022, 06:25:29 AM

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

Maybe the government could ban gambling using animals or if they still want to use animals as a tool for betting, the government needs to make strict rules on animal control before entering the race. That is because some people will still use drugs on the animals so they can win the race. Some like to bet using animals and some don't and this will have its pros and cons.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

According the this site: https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/background.php they have seen more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

Are you aware that most of the horses go through slaughter as well? Some of them have very bad injuries making them not even the least bit useful for the business therefore they are killed without second thought. I do hope people would get more aware and try and steer away from *horse racing*.

That's very sad to hear. There should be a proper body that should make rules and regulations for horse racing and also the horses which are fed drugs should be banned from the play. We need to either make horse racing a better sport or make it prohibited everywhere. Gambling has nothing to do with all this stuff.
If there are horse racing matches, the gamblers will keep betting on them and there is no issue with this.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on May 04, 2022, 04:04:23 AM

I agree that racing horses is cruel to them there is no doubt about that. However, figuring out a way to stop that is the key point here.

If you just make it illegal, there will be some loss of votes for the politician that made it illegal, if you are ahead in the polls by a huge margin and there is no worry then you may end up doing it, but it wouldn't be really easy to pull off if it is close. Like for example Kentucky senator can't really propose such a thing, but I am sure New York wouldn't be a problem. All in all it's bad, but just like everything in the world, it comes down to politicians and what benefits them the most and how they could get votes.

We know guys that if there's money involve within this kind of activity or transaction of course large known people under with this event don't want to let this go it's all about their source of earnings but still it depends on the government approval with this kind of game, quite hard to make a decision because we know the different perspective but in my side I'm against too with the horse race game.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 29, 2022, 12:29:27 PM

more than 2000 deaths in around 5500 days. Most of the horses die during the match as well, they also have instances where they are exploited using drugs (doping).

I believe natural death do occur on every animals at a particular time frame which is tied to the life cycle and humans were not left behind on this as well, a horse naturally is well known for deriving pleasure specifically while running than anything, engaging horses on sport race shouldn't be a discouragement because they were not forced into the running but its what they derive pleasure doing.

I will like emphasize on the care and maintenance for those horses as animals cant talk but have developed a good sense of humor by making some particular signs and sounds whenever they wanted to pass an information across, the role of the vet and animals psychologist could be added advantage when their professionalism is adequately provided to racing organizations for the welfare and wellbeing of horses, there are times the animals as well develop weakness whenever they are unfit for an exercise, this as well indicate their own right against indiscriminately abuse of using them.

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