Topic: Horse Racing and Gambling on it should be banned - page 9. (Read 1631 times)

Yes, I do not see anything reprehensible to honestly admit that humanity uses animals for its own benefit (the simplest example is we eat them). So it was and so it will be, and this is due to humanism - most value human life and interests higher than the life of a chicken, for example. In my opinion, this is correct. I am rather afraid of the activity of those who want to equate human life with the life of an animal than the order of things that exists now.

Horse racing is a gambling in which on the process for very long time , and those horse for the owner and for the gambler has its Sole Purpose and that is to serve as entertainment and also for gambling.
so whatever we are concern about the horse? this will not affect them because it is the tax that they are paying for the government is what matters here.

Horses being used in trasportation to carry humans or heavy loads is just as cruel as making the horses run tracks just for the sake of bet and entertainment. Ages ago, when there was little to no advanced innovation at all, humans improvised to make their lives better and easier. One of the things human developed was carriage wherein it was put on the back of a horse in order to carry goods or people to transfer them from one place to another. This is the old way of transportation due to lack of technology and innovation back then. People had no choice but to make something to ease their burden.

However, we are now in the 21st century. And making an argument that just centers on the idea that something has been long existing, therefore it's still okay, is just purely wrong. You don't use that to invalidate the problem today. Because as we all know, many years ago is far different from today. Right now, we have advanced technology and a lot of innovations that can help humans to transport goods and services are available. There are many other form of entertainment as well that don't involve animal cruelty. Hence, this should stop. Even those horse carrying carriage should stop.

If you are not aware, many organizations are pushing this movement. Not only the ones which involve gambling, but also those other things that just depicts animal cruelty. That's why peta has been protesting against it and other animal advocates. Although just in return, the government must ensure that those people who use it as livelihood will have a fallback once they ban and made it illegal.

For centuries now horses have been used as a means of transportation or carrying goods from one place to another. They are been whipped severally without conscience even if they can’t go on any longer. It has no much difference with what they’re been used for in sports. I don’t think it will be banned because of this reason, but they should at least consider the sick ones not to participate in the sports until when strong and fit for it.

The approach should be, taking care of the horses, to ban it is cruel, that is what such horses are meant for and used to make money. I just see this like people saying bitcoin PoW mining should be banned because it is producing gases that can cause global warming whereas it supposed to be how the world can produce green electricity that do not produces gases that cause global warming. Why ban when many people are making living with the horses businesses that is related to racing.

I agree. It is one thing to make use of animals for food production and for labor purposes such as moving people and things from one place to another and it is quite another to use them for plain fun at their expense. It would be okay to use them for fun actually like when you are horse riding or playing with your dog, but it is completely bad to use them regardless of what they will go through, just for the sake of your pleasure in things like horse fighting and dog fighting.

The animals help humans a lot on the farm and instead of being used as a bet, it's better not to torture them just as a means of human gratification. In many countries, horses and chickens are used for consumption rather than as bets. At the same time, some dogs use it for consumption. Although some people still use those animals to bet.

I do not say that my idea is the most correct because what I think is right may not necessarily be right according to other people.

I understand the picture you are referring to and pointing out to OP. This topic is really subjective as we have different views here. We will see various and endless responses here, especially if the goal of the topic is to promote the total ban on horse racing.

That's why to somehow end the debate, I mentioned that OP can simply don't support horse racing, simple as that. By doing that, it's already a big contribution on OP's part. Anyways, this topic should be ended now as nothing we can really do here to change the current status of the horse racing industry.

It's a big industry that both benefits all - not just pure negative things because of the alleged animal cruelty. It was legalized in some countries and more importantly, it was regulated by the law that's why somehow, we can assure that cruelty is more an isolated case to consider.

I also understand pity for pets. The game is a sports game, and it is included in the category of world games. Horse racing is often played by many countries. And some people use the match as a place to bet. If we see horses running forcibly, even being whipped hard so that they run faster, of course we who see them become concerned and feel sorry for these animals. But speaking of a sport done by humans, soccer players have to risk dying to fight for victory. The only difference is that humans have a reason and know when they are dying to seek immediate medical care. Unlike the horses that are left to die and are no longer useful.

Honestly, this isn't the only animal gambling that I've known. There are other types of it and for sure you're not going to like the other types of it.
So taking this as the most for the example, this should really be stopped and no longer promoted by those places that are into this. There are people that are coming and going by just to see these fights and it doesn't matter to them because they are just going to pay for how much it would cost just to them in live action. That's why there are these organizations like PETA but it's still up to the government if they'll hear them out and stop these operations.

you also can't forbid the OP to not empathize with horse racing because everyone has the right to have empathy for the things they see

The OP just feels sad for the horses that died (imo that feeling is really amazing) because of the horse racing. btw, horse racing has bets with very large cash rounds, there's no way it's banned

First of all, are you the vegetarian MR fiulpro? Do you know that a lot of animals are raised specifically to be slaughtered? If you are empathic towards horse racing, then what about that we eat chicken breast, cow meat, fish, etc? In this case, you do some kind of denial, especially when you are hungry.
If you go that deep into empathy, then ask yourself, what is better for the horse, to die in racing or die in wildlife? Wouldn't it suffer you that wolfs and other animals may kill horses in a very painful way?

Don't be very empathic! I'm serious, I don't enjoy horse racing but then I ask myself, would lions and tigers eat all of us if they had a chance? I believe and I'm sure, the answer is yes.

Also, I want to say that horses enjoy running & racing, they enjoy it very much and some horses are treated very well. Also, google runners high, it is something interesting

I don't how the horse racing got into gambling. In most of the races associated with animals, there is cultural and traditional connection. For example bullfighting practiced in Spain and different other countries. In philippines it is cockfight, so even when Animal welfare organization raise complaints such traditionally connected games won't be banned/restricted.

Its been rampant but could the government would really be having that kind of consideration specially if a certain gambling game does generate much revenue? Im much sure that they wouldnt
care that much if we do talk about animal rights or just being ethical since it wont really be that much of an issue.There are countries though that is really that serious
in terms of animal cruelty and giving on some protection which they might really be considering on implementing or banning it on overall.
We do hate animal cruelty of course but there are things which ends up on being a norm where they dont really care at all.

Indeed. This kind of gambling which uses animals to be the center of entertainment and satisfaction is cruel and not at all cool. These horses have lives as well and they shouldn't be used for anyone's fulfillment. In most horse racing, horses experience animal cruelty before the race itself, during the race, and after the race. It's even a lucky chance if they would have no injury or survive after the race was held because during their run on the track field, they are exposed to all kinds of injury - minor and lethal.

It's just so saddening that government takes little to no action regarding this matter. For these kind of operations to be halted, the government must intervene and do their job to make it illegal and ban it so that no organizations or groups will make a gambling event out of it. Making the punishment and fine heavy will play a factor too to let people no longer engage with this kind of activity.

Hopefully, many animal organizations and activists push this in their specific countries. The mere fact that many horses are in pain whenever they take the course is awfully disturbing already. This should be stopped. The time back then is far different from now, hence, the traditional reason shouldn't be applicable.

Oh wow that's insane, I had no idea that things were so bad in horse racing. To me it sounds like animal cruelty. That's really sad, how is the sport not banned yet? I never watched a horse race on TV or went to a live event. Near my home town there was such a place, but it closed down years ago. The sport doesn't seem very common anymore in my country. In England it still seems popular, but even among my English friends I never meet anybody who would go there or even bet money on it. It always seems ridiculous in movies to see all these rich people betting millions on horses. And then seeing horses die on the race track is really disturbing, how can people go back after seeing something like that. To me horses are beautiful animals, like dogs or cats, I could never eat horse meat. And if they make their owners rich in horse racing, they should atleast own the right to live their last years in peace.

That's the sad fact when it comes gambling, because there's always a cheating. Especially when it comes such games because they all forced the limits of the animals and they put drugs or whatsoever in order to win, wherein seems they don't even care what will gonna happen afterwards. So i agree that they need to ban such gambling because they're killing animals obviously.

Horse racing gambling is the same as other gambling that prioritizes animals, it's just that the horse is constantly being raced so that it can run naturally because that's how it should be. Drugs are common and slaughter is also common, but it should also be noted that the animals that often win have good quality offspring. Usually they also breed these animals including horses or cockfighting for example or pigeon racing and others.

Could you be more specific as to why this should be stopped? Many animals exist literally because people need them for some reason, if you forbid this they will simply be killed and cease to exist (or will you feed them from your income?).
The second question is more general - why do you think that your ideas about how to properly use animals are more correct than, for example, mine? 

Years ago, I used to bet on horse racing. I don't know anything about it the same way as about dog racing, so I wasn't interested in this type of betting. I also didn't think about the consequences for animals. I thought it might look like a human 60 or 100 meter sprint.
After what you described, I thought about it, and it seems to me that in the 21st century, animals could be replaced by artificial intelligence. I don't think we should use animals for that.