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hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
The awareness campaign as far as i know started a month ahead but it seem not getting much attention base on how much is gathered compare to some projects which collected more than 2 million is just two weeks.  One plant isn't that enough. More plants should be established if we can put more money for this noble project.

Yes, the campaign started early but currently the market is saturated with many ICOs unless the team member are well known in the spce with good idea it willbe difficult to get excess funds
hero member
Activity: 2968
Merit: 605
I have not seen ZRCOIN in the TVE for one more week, whether zrcoin stop promo in TVE ?

No, I ve seen some tasks on Twitter the day before yesterday.
I am sure.

But I did not see yesterday. It's true.

What is TVE? Is ZrCoin advertising on tv channel? I knew ZrCoin on icocountdown website, twitter and some telegram chats but nothing about TV..
i hope they not realy stop ZrCoin on TVE but just take a little break...

Yaeh, I ve seen today new tasks on TVE!

So go-go to twitter  Grin
so they start again...this is a very very good news...
full member
Activity: 147
Merit: 100
(: In medio stat virtus :)
I just found out this project and it seems very interesting.
I am reading all the white paper and I understand the need of a crowdfunding.
The problem is that I don't really understand why this project need of a blockchain and a cryptocoin? Huh

It is a new way to have loans from people and not from bank. I think is a good idea to use blockchain technology, every financial assets will be inside a blockchain in future.
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
I just found out this project and it seems very interesting.
I am reading all the white paper and I understand the need of a crowdfunding.
The problem is that I don't really understand why this project need of a blockchain and a cryptocoin? Huh
full member
Activity: 770
Merit: 100
full member
Activity: 770
Merit: 100
This is just not serious and our designer is desired by lots of campaigns after this website and we had so many positive words, so your notes are just not visible.
Just clean your eyes, they were blured by the dust of your promotion campaign.

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4. This question is especially awsome.
Did the citizens of Magnitogorsk agreed this project?
It's green technology. No wastes. No any harm.
It's not required any special agreements with citizens or with somebody else.
blah-blah-blah. Please provide full environmental assessment of your project signed by government officials to your future investors and do it in public, not in customer area of your website.
Before that you only have some words and pretty green pictures with the word "ECO".

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Please, don't think, you are the smartest person on Earth and others don't understand anything or scammers.
Please, read more detailed our White paper and documents.
You shows EBITDA at same level for future 5 years. Lol.

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Look at our team and escrows.
I don't know anyone from your team and escrow. They are only humans for me.

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We have unique technology and want blockchain going to real field and production.
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http://bitcoinchaser.com/zrcoin
Why Set ZrCoin up as an ICO?
BC: An ICO takes a considerable amount of time to set up. Why do you think you would be better off launching ZrCoin than investing the time you invested in preparing the ICO in getting a bank to finance the project?
ZC: Our project is a venture fund.
No, you are a venture fund and your main goal - to fund the money, buyback your color tokens by converted price and achieve your profit from price rising of cryptocurrencies.  

All your shitty optimism about running a plant in half of year is a fiction. Not in Russia. Every government control division have a "control time" to check your documents and to react, to check your plant, to check your personnel and your company. This control time starts from 2 weeks for very simple procedures and can continuous in month and years for big projects. It called "russian bureaucracy".
Your company have a status of Limited Liability Company with the capital 78800 RUR (about 1400 dollars in current prices). Not serious.

My main claim about your project: you promise unrealistic time for project implementation of zirconium manufacturing. But your motivation is very clear for me: you are the venture fund and now you want the money in general, zirconium dioxide is your protection screen. You will say again and again: read our docs and give us the money. But your docs are full of water and there is no ecological assessment in public. This is undertalking of serious details. That's why I don't believe you.

Well, I got your point.
I ll respond something to this later.

In any way I like this discussion, because it's constructive. And has reasonable questions.
So it can be useful for people to read and decide to join or not this project.
newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
This is just not serious and our designer is desired by lots of campaigns after this website and we had so many positive words, so your notes are just not visible.
Just clean your eyes, they were blured by the dust of your promotion campaign.

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4. This question is especially awsome.
Did the citizens of Magnitogorsk agreed this project?
It's green technology. No wastes. No any harm.
It's not required any special agreements with citizens or with somebody else.
blah-blah-blah. Please provide full environmental assessment of your project signed by government officials to your future investors and do it in public, not in customer area of your website.
Before that you only have some words and pretty green pictures with the word "ECO".

Quote
Please, don't think, you are the smartest person on Earth and others don't understand anything or scammers.
Please, read more detailed our White paper and documents.
You shows EBITDA at same level for future 5 years. Lol.

Quote
Look at our team and escrows.
I don't know anyone from your team and escrow. They are only humans for me.

Quote
We have unique technology and want blockchain going to real field and production.
Quote
http://bitcoinchaser.com/zrcoin
Why Set ZrCoin up as an ICO?
BC: An ICO takes a considerable amount of time to set up. Why do you think you would be better off launching ZrCoin than investing the time you invested in preparing the ICO in getting a bank to finance the project?
ZC: Our project is a venture fund.
No, you are a venture fund and your main goal - to fund the money, buyback your color tokens by converted price and achieve your profit from price rising of cryptocurrencies.  

All your shitty optimism about running a plant in half of year is a fiction. Not in Russia. Every government control division have a "control time" to check your documents and to react, to check your plant, to check your personnel and your company. This control time starts from 2 weeks for very simple procedures and can continuous in month and years for big projects. It called "russian bureaucracy".
Your company have a status of Limited Liability Company with the capital 78800 RUR (about 1400 dollars in current prices). Not serious.

My main claim about your project: you promise unrealistic time for project implementation of zirconium manufacturing. But your motivation is very clear for me: you are the venture fund and now you want the money in general, zirconium dioxide is your protection screen. You will say again and again: read our docs and give us the money. But your docs are full of water and there is no ecological assessment in public. This is undertalking of serious details. That's why I don't believe you.
full member
Activity: 308
Merit: 100
The awareness campaign as far as i know started a month ahead but it seem not getting much attention base on how much is gathered compare to some projects which collected more than 2 million is just two weeks.  One plant isn't that enough. More plants should be established if we can put more money for this noble project.

I think the slow progress is because of the other ICOs going on at the same time, as soon as they end this week, I believe ZrCoin will pick up and raise more than the minimum cap of $3.5mil.
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
The awareness campaign as far as i know started a month ahead but it seem not getting much attention base on how much is gathered compare to some projects which collected more than 2 million is just two weeks.  One plant isn't that enough. More plants should be established if we can put more money for this noble project.

Yes, there are some good ICO project which are in pre-sale ICO launching at the present. many investors are focusing on these projects so They can not  join many project at the same time. it will be a big obstacle for this project although this is a quite good for investing.
legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 1203
It's nice to watch this project grow , I mean ICO is working fine , team is great so yea good choice .
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
this project is really interesting, perhaps we now understand the utility of the blockchain and associated to raw materials and production processes of semi-finished products

here you will find the site                                https://zrcoin.io/ref/rD5nsBPLYVZF

here you will find the business plane              https://zrcoin.io/files/business_plan.pdf
full member
Activity: 147
Merit: 100
(: In medio stat virtus :)
My dashboard shows how different the amount of zrcoin is; When I joined the first day I had 65 ZrCoin. But now if i join again i will have 118. Will ZrCoin calculate after the end?
full member
Activity: 770
Merit: 100
how many coin will be relased?

Hi, that will depend on the ICO result
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
how many coin will be relased?
Depends on ICO results
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1018
The awareness campaign as far as i know started a month ahead but it seem not getting much attention base on how much is gathered compare to some projects which collected more than 2 million is just two weeks.  One plant isn't that enough. More plants should be established if we can put more money for this noble project.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
how many coin will be relased?
you can find all the information you need within the white paper, is well explained the mechanism of the buy-back, and all phases of the project

                            https://zrcoin.io/files/Whitepaper_ENG.pdf
member
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how many coin will be relased?
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 503
Free Julian Assange
Some questions to very funny guys from ZrCoin and to community:
1. How ZrCoin team will buy the facilities and equipment for factory? It will be sold in fiat, not in crypto. Show me equipment manufacturers that will sell you their valuable products in crypto. There is two ways: a. You already have a bank credit for 3.5m dollars and you need an ICO to put crypto on cold wallets and use it when price rises; b. You need to exchange cryptocurrencies to fiat and buy equipment for real dollars/euros/rubles. In case of rubles, this is a crime in Russia: exchange crypto to fiat.
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Implementation phases of factory building process
A Cyprus-based holding company will loan funds equal to the amount of
investment in ZrCoin options to a Russian legal entity, which will consequently
implement all construction phases of the factory. The subsequent steps of factory
construction process can be divided into the three principal stages described
above.
Yes, you will implement money-laundering plan: your company will have a loan with offshore company and have to return the money out of the border. I think Elvira Saphidzadovna needs to know about your team.
Why do you need an ICO if you have an agreement with "Cyprus-based holding company" (CBHC) about a loan?
Or may it be you want to take a gift for CBHC giving them all profits of future price rising of cryptocurrencies? This is brilliant-price loan, why you haven't tried to take a bank loan in Sberbank or VTB Group with average interest?

2.
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As there is a lack of domestic zirconium-containing raw materials (zircon and
zirconium dioxide), brazilite-corundum refractories for glass manufacturing
enterprises are chiefly imported from abroad.
Russia’s domestic manufacture covers only 8-10% of the demand in zirconiumcontaining
raw materials. Kovdorskiy GOK (Ore Mining and Processing Plant) is
the only enterprise in Russia to produce zirconium raw materials (brazilite
powder), with production output of 5-6 tons per year.
The majority of this amount is exported to Norway, Japan and other countries.
Zirconium concentrate, which is one of the scarcest mineral raw materials, is not
produced in Russia, but is imported from Ukraine and Australia.
You told about high-valuable technology for Russia's independency and technological security and hadn't taken a loan in Russia?

3. You told about the high-valuable markets for your product. Do you have any contracts on paper with your future customers?
4. From your roadmap:
Hiring and official employment of staff (1 month) - whoaaaa you all are funny guys, serious. You want to build a facility in a half of year and hire staff for a month  Grin Grin Grin. I think your team doesn't have any knowledge about how real factories functioning.
Execution of necessary authorizations - 1 months. In Russia. Authorize a facility in Russia for one month - yes, this is real if you are hand-on with mr.Putin. Average time of Rostekhnadzor authorizations is about a half of a year. There is only way: BRIBE. May the bribe be in crypto?  Grin Do not tell russian corrupt officials.
And another question about facility development: whether there were any public hearings about this facility? Did the citizens of Magnitogorsk agreed this project?
5. Your site uses very sexy web-development technologies and the terrible photoshop of the photos of your team. 5th grader schoolguy from Magnitogorsk can do it better. You told about million dollars but you can't do the job for 100 dollars.
6. The price from your papers: 46 000 RUR per ton of powder (it's about 810 dollars).
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/zirconium-dioxide-price-zirconium-dioxide-powder_60416510429.html
These guys trades for $5000-8500 per ton.


My opinion about the project:
1. In case of real technology: it will started in YEARS, not the months.
2. ICO needed to "take money to the bank" and you will just wait for price rising.
3. In next 1.5 years there will be next scenario: we are very sorry, guys, the government had broken our business. There are your color tokens by market price.

P.S. when one "breakthrough" tech (artificial zirconium dioxide) meets another "breakthrough" tech (cryptocurrencies & blockchains) the risks multiply. There are no regulations of cryptocurrencies in Russia and the ICO investments look like gifts.

Hello!
From some point you are right, but from another you make horrible mistakes.

Let's have a look step by step. I ll tryto explain.
And please let me ignore all your "your photoshop is not good enough" and "your website is not nice"...
This is just not serious and our designer is desired by lots of campaigns after this website and we had so many positive words, so your notes are just not visible.
What is concerned more serious questions.

1. This scheme is absolutely legal.
Why do you need an ICO if you have an agreement with "Cyprus-based holding company" (CBHC) about a loan?
This is not a loan. This is a way of legal using of cryptocurrencies.

2. You again talk about loan. Please, read FAQ from our website why we decided to use ICO way.

3. We have agreements for sure, but as we don't have the real plant now we can not have real papers with agreements.

4. This question is especially awsome.
Did the citizens of Magnitogorsk agreed this project?
It's green technology. No wastes. No any harm.
It's not required any special agreements with citizens or with somebody else.
And yes, it's possible to make a plant during 6-7 months. It'll be typical project, nothing spectacular.

5. I ve told at the beginning.

6. It's another material with another quality. There lots of modification.
Please, don't think, you are the smartest person on Earth and others don't understand anything or scammers.
Please, read more detailed our White paper and documents.

Look at our team and escrows.

We have unique technology and want blockchain going to real field and production.
There is no regulation in Russia and it has more advantages than disadvantages.

You are welcome with any questions.
Some of them are really not bad! Thank you.
And I am glad, we can answer them.


Thank you for answering this FUD, ZrCoin is a real project with real people (and escrow).

There are a lot of scam ico around but not this one.

full member
Activity: 770
Merit: 100
the tasks coming in TVE are very less .@dev n team please try to add more task for us..we would really love to support this

Yes, we ll increase them.

By the way there are available now.
Join!
full member
Activity: 770
Merit: 100
Some questions to very funny guys from ZrCoin and to community:
1. How ZrCoin team will buy the facilities and equipment for factory? It will be sold in fiat, not in crypto. Show me equipment manufacturers that will sell you their valuable products in crypto. There is two ways: a. You already have a bank credit for 3.5m dollars and you need an ICO to put crypto on cold wallets and use it when price rises; b. You need to exchange cryptocurrencies to fiat and buy equipment for real dollars/euros/rubles. In case of rubles, this is a crime in Russia: exchange crypto to fiat.
UPD:
Quote
Implementation phases of factory building process
A Cyprus-based holding company will loan funds equal to the amount of
investment in ZrCoin options to a Russian legal entity, which will consequently
implement all construction phases of the factory. The subsequent steps of factory
construction process can be divided into the three principal stages described
above.
Yes, you will implement money-laundering plan: your company will have a loan with offshore company and have to return the money out of the border. I think Elvira Saphidzadovna needs to know about your team.
Why do you need an ICO if you have an agreement with "Cyprus-based holding company" (CBHC) about a loan?
Or may it be you want to take a gift for CBHC giving them all profits of future price rising of cryptocurrencies? This is brilliant-price loan, why you haven't tried to take a bank loan in Sberbank or VTB Group with average interest?

2.
Quote
As there is a lack of domestic zirconium-containing raw materials (zircon and
zirconium dioxide), brazilite-corundum refractories for glass manufacturing
enterprises are chiefly imported from abroad.
Russia’s domestic manufacture covers only 8-10% of the demand in zirconiumcontaining
raw materials. Kovdorskiy GOK (Ore Mining and Processing Plant) is
the only enterprise in Russia to produce zirconium raw materials (brazilite
powder), with production output of 5-6 tons per year.
The majority of this amount is exported to Norway, Japan and other countries.
Zirconium concentrate, which is one of the scarcest mineral raw materials, is not
produced in Russia, but is imported from Ukraine and Australia.
You told about high-valuable technology for Russia's independency and technological security and hadn't taken a loan in Russia?

3. You told about the high-valuable markets for your product. Do you have any contracts on paper with your future customers?
4. From your roadmap:
Hiring and official employment of staff (1 month) - whoaaaa you all are funny guys, serious. You want to build a facility in a half of year and hire staff for a month  Grin Grin Grin. I think your team doesn't have any knowledge about how real factories functioning.
Execution of necessary authorizations - 1 months. In Russia. Authorize a facility in Russia for one month - yes, this is real if you are hand-on with mr.Putin. Average time of Rostekhnadzor authorizations is about a half of a year. There is only way: BRIBE. May the bribe be in crypto?  Grin Do not tell russian corrupt officials.
And another question about facility development: whether there were any public hearings about this facility? Did the citizens of Magnitogorsk agreed this project?
5. Your site uses very sexy web-development technologies and the terrible photoshop of the photos of your team. 5th grader schoolguy from Magnitogorsk can do it better. You told about million dollars but you can't do the job for 100 dollars.
6. The price from your papers: 46 000 RUR per ton of powder (it's about 810 dollars).
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/zirconium-dioxide-price-zirconium-dioxide-powder_60416510429.html
These guys trades for $5000-8500 per ton.


My opinion about the project:
1. In case of real technology: it will started in YEARS, not the months.
2. ICO needed to "take money to the bank" and you will just wait for price rising.
3. In next 1.5 years there will be next scenario: we are very sorry, guys, the government had broken our business. There are your color tokens by market price.

P.S. when one "breakthrough" tech (artificial zirconium dioxide) meets another "breakthrough" tech (cryptocurrencies & blockchains) the risks multiply. There are no regulations of cryptocurrencies in Russia and the ICO investments look like gifts.

Hello!
From some point you are right, but from another you make horrible mistakes.

Let's have a look step by step. I ll tryto explain.
And please let me ignore all your "your photoshop is not good enough" and "your website is not nice"...
This is just not serious and our designer is desired by lots of campaigns after this website and we had so many positive words, so your notes are just not visible.
What is concerned more serious questions.

1. This scheme is absolutely legal.
Why do you need an ICO if you have an agreement with "Cyprus-based holding company" (CBHC) about a loan?
This is not a loan. This is a way of legal using of cryptocurrencies.

2. You again talk about loan. Please, read FAQ from our website why we decided to use ICO way.

3. We have agreements for sure, but as we don't have the real plant now we can not have real papers with agreements.

4. This question is especially awsome.
Did the citizens of Magnitogorsk agreed this project?
It's green technology. No wastes. No any harm.
It's not required any special agreements with citizens or with somebody else.
And yes, it's possible to make a plant during 6-7 months. It'll be typical project, nothing spectacular.

5. I ve told at the beginning.

6. It's another material with another quality. There lots of modification.
Please, don't think, you are the smartest person on Earth and others don't understand anything or scammers.
Please, read more detailed our White paper and documents.

Look at our team and escrows.

We have unique technology and want blockchain going to real field and production.
There is no regulation in Russia and it has more advantages than disadvantages.

You are welcome with any questions.
Some of them are really not bad! Thank you.
And I am glad, we can answer them.
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