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Quote from: vs2014 on December 03, 2024, 04:52:15 AM

Whenever i look at funds in my pocket and i need to buy food to survive i look at control. Gambling is a game that once you start you can't quit midway. When you win small money a few times, you try to win bigger funds, and when you lose repeatedly, you try again to get your original funds back. An addicted gambler who often wins gambling so you can't stop him because even if he is on tuesday he will gamble from there. Since it is out of control and every man is addicted to gambling with his personal independence, we cannot stop there even if we want to.

Self-control is the main thing in a successful gambling experience. Unfortunately, not everyone knows this and falls for this easy money bait. And such an experience devalues work and business, because the casino actually gives money for free. This is exactly what those who were "lucky" to win easy money at the beginning of their gambling hobby think.

When I go to a casino website, I do not feel comfortable, I feel like I am being lured by bonuses and individual offers, and therefore I am very careful in this bright world where it is easy to lose control.

Of course, all these bright things affect our consciousness so that we feel relaxed here, and not tense. But I am also extremely careful in life, and I understand how it all works. Now marketing and advertising lure have reached a new level, I understand this and always prefer not to pay attention to it. Of course, the illusion of control over the game arises in many players. Some, even after a hard day at work with an evil boss who told them what to do, come to gambling to experience the feeling of control over the process. They have a choice of games, bets, stretching out time, generally speaking, relative choice and freedom in action. So many do different things such as crazy bets, because they brought them from their lives to the game.

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Quote from: vs2014 on December 03, 2024, 04:52:15 AM

Whenever i look at funds in my pocket and i need to buy food to survive i look at control. Gambling is a game that once you start you can't quit midway. When you win small money a few times, you try to win bigger funds, and when you lose repeatedly, you try again to get your original funds back. An addicted gambler who often wins gambling so you can't stop him because even if he is on tuesday he will gamble from there. Since it is out of control and every man is addicted to gambling with his personal independence, we cannot stop there even if we want to.

It is easy enough as for me. But i`m not addicted to gambling, so may be my example can`t be useful for common gambler.
Just two rules for gambling i use:
1. I set the two limits: time for gambling and money for gambling.
2. When i reach one of these limits - i stop the game. And it doesn`t matter what situation on the table.
Even if i winning, but the time ends - i stop. And of course, before start the game we have to understand that money we plan to spend - would be lost. If we need money for food - just avoid gambling.

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Quote from: vs2014 on December 03, 2024, 04:52:15 AM

Whenever i look at funds in my pocket and i need to buy food to survive i look at control. Gambling is a game that once you start you can't quit midway. When you win small money a few times, you try to win bigger funds, and when you lose repeatedly, you try again to get your original funds back. An addicted gambler who often wins gambling so you can't stop him because even if he is on tuesday he will gamble from there. Since it is out of control and every man is addicted to gambling with his personal independence, we cannot stop there even if we want to.

Self-control is the main thing in a successful gambling experience. Unfortunately, not everyone knows this and falls for this easy money bait. And such an experience devalues work and business, because the casino actually gives money for free. This is exactly what those who were "lucky" to win easy money at the beginning of their gambling hobby think.

When I go to a casino website, I do not feel comfortable, I feel like I am being lured by bonuses and individual offers, and therefore I am very careful in this bright world where it is easy to lose control.

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Whenever i look at funds in my pocket and i need to buy food to survive i look at control. Gambling is a game that once you start you can't quit midway. When you win small money a few times, you try to win bigger funds, and when you lose repeatedly, you try again to get your original funds back. An addicted gambler who often wins gambling so you can't stop him because even if he is on tuesday he will gamble from there. Since it is out of control and every man is addicted to gambling with his personal independence, we cannot stop there even if we want to.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game.

I think people at first need to understand the term and definition of gambling. Gambling is all about luck and nothing else. No external factors can affect the outcome or result of gambling. So these illusions of patterns are automatically created by our brain to risk more and to earn more money. If by chance you get success, you will become delightful, but if you face loss, then definitely you will drive into depression. So gamble cautiously and look for all the possible outcomes before risking the money.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

You can see the illusion of control take over when some gambler is on a "lucky streak", which convinces him to keep gambling, as if there was some mysterious power out there that would ensure he would keep winning for a limited amount of time.

Add that to the superstitions that some people have, and the illusion only grows stronger and more in control of that person.

It is important to stay grounded, especially during high emotional events like gambling.

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Quote from: satscraper on December 03, 2024, 03:06:22 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Yeah, this phenomenon is from the class of illusions to which plenty of gamblers ^{me included} fall at the beginning of their gambler's journey. However, believe me, in a couple of years it will gradually disappear and people involved will read the betting room. Regarding dice, I think the throwing skill is really matter here ^{at least I knew the man who win more than often owing his art.}

In the end, all these assumptions are misleading and make anyone lose their money, various ways of playing like that can probably only be done in land-based casinos and now we play in online gambling so we can never do it again.
Throwing the dice carefully and gently to get the desired results or taking cards in certain ways, haha that is an ability or skill that actually cannot guarantee victory.
Reality of gambling is LOST, we cannot fight it.

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Quote from: satscraper on December 03, 2024, 03:06:22 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Yeah, this phenomenon is from the class of illusions to which plenty of gamblers ^{me included} fall at the beginning of their gambler's journey. However, believe me, in a couple of years it will gradually disappear and people involved will read the betting room. Regarding dice, I think the throwing skill is really matter here ^{at least I knew the man who win more than often owing his art.}

And it's really hard to phantom this, I mean we all thought that we are in control when we gamble, but the fact is that we don't know if we are losing or winning because we don't take note of that, shows that we are not in control and everything that we might think is only just an illusion.

Funny though is that I have a small talk with a senior guy and he also says this kind of illusion of control. So I guess he has been gambling for years already that he knows what kind of control gambling has in our system and again, when we thought that we are in control, as he says, is very wrong mindset in the beginning and we should snap out of it.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Yeah, this phenomenon is from the class of illusions to which plenty of gamblers ^{me included} fall at the beginning of their gambler's journey. However, believe me, in a couple of years it will gradually disappear and people involved will read the betting room. Regarding dice, I think the throwing skill is really matter here ^{at least I knew the man who win more than often owing his art.}

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Quote from: nullama on December 03, 2024, 01:47:22 AM

Yeah, it is crazy that many people think that they are winning more than what they have paid to gamble.

In reality, most people pay way more than what they receive. The casinos know this, that's why they keep you entertained there as much as they can.

And people come back, time and time again, to give them their money away with a smile on their face when they win 10% of what they have put.

I see more and more casinos opening and it is obvious that this business is profitable, because if players could win more than they lose, then the casinos would be unprofitable, but it is clear that most players play with losses. I rare stories about how someone won a bigger win make players continue to play and hope that one day they will be just as lucky, but these are isolated cases and in gambling only the casino can control something.

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Quote from: nullama on December 02, 2024, 02:24:58 AM

At the end of the day this is the most addictive thing there is for a gambler.

Someone is exposed to the idea that they can make a lot of money with low effort, and right now, by simply gambling some of their money.

The reality of course is different and most of these people end up losing way more money than what they ever earn.

I am one of those people who have lost a lot of money gambling. To tell the truth, I had no brakes whatsoever. I lost all the money I had on hand. I played until the last penny. That's how gambling I was. It's good that I managed to rethink all this and stop in time. But I still had to deal with the consequences for several years. I had to pay off my debts. It was a difficult time for me and very gloomy.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 02, 2024, 04:34:25 AM

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Indeed! most of the time it's more than what you earn from those successful attempts compared to what you lose when you got too much engaged and play more than the usual, it's easy to say that you are in control and you can win but in reality it's more losing side than the winning sucess, those gamblers who keep sharing their winnings are mostly focusing from how they win it, but if they will also compute those amount that they also lose most of the time it's larger than what they've earn.

More on capitalizing to earn views and readers to promote their skills but only few who can really manage to make money out from this industry.

Yeah, it is crazy that many people think that they are winning more than what they have paid to gamble.

In reality, most people pay way more than what they receive. The casinos know this, that's why they keep you entertained there as much as they can.

And people come back, time and time again, to give them their money away with a smile on their face when they win 10% of what they have put.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Anything that has to do with gambling and gamblers being in control of the out come of their games or bets is pure deception, and I don't know if anyone else have mentioned this before, but it might interest us to know that in terms of gambling, the only thing the gambler have control over is the amount of money they choose to bet on each round of the game, and as well as the "spin" or "play" button.

They have control of the amount of money they can choose to bet because casinos usually allow even small bets of as low as $0.1 dollar cents on some games or even lower for other games, so, it is up to the gambler to choose how much he or she is willing to risk on each spin or round.

And talking about the spin or play button, a gambler even after having entered the amount of money he or she choose to bet on each spin or round of the game still may not make up his or her mind to hit that spin or play button, he or she can change his or her mind, and if and when he or she does, the casino cannot force him or her to hit the button.

But then, once this two are out of the way, the outcome of the game is completely out of the gamblers control, that is, the gambler can no longer decide the out come of his game even with his own strategies.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 01, 2024, 07:45:59 AM

Quote from: Eternad on November 30, 2024, 11:06:24 AM

Gambler doesn’t care if they lose after the lucky win despite they already on breakeven or negative profit because they feel that they can still achieve the lucky streak that they previously experienced.

This is the reason why many gamblers think that they can control the outcome in their favor while in reality only lose will occur.

That's simply the truth, most gambler who have tasted the winning streak and have luckily win a huge amount absolutely, they might find it difficult to stop gambling or to gamble responsibly because they are so concerned about experiencing a heavy winning just like their previous winning.

Gambling have a strong attraction because the sensation of winning can be very intoxicating, they believe that they can control the outcome or their luck will continue, so that it makes a person continue to think He is still winning with a big win without thinking about the money they has lost before, in my opinion this is a form of addiction from gamblers, Gambling is Basically a game of chance, and there is no guarantee of continuous winning but many people get caught up in this cycle because they hope that luck will be on their side again.

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Quote from: nullama on December 02, 2024, 02:24:58 AM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 01, 2024, 07:45:59 AM

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That's simply the truth, most gambler who have tasted the winning streak and have luckily win a huge amount absolutely, they might find it difficult to stop gambling or to gamble responsibly because they are so concerned about experiencing a heavy winning just like their previous winning.

At the end of the day this is the most addictive thing there is for a gambler.

Someone is exposed to the idea that they can make a lot of money with low effort, and right now, by simply gambling some of their money.

The reality of course is different and most of these people end up losing way more money than what they ever earn.

Indeed! most of the time it's more than what you earn from those successful attempts compared to what you lose when you got too much engaged and play more than the usual, it's easy to say that you are in control and you can win but in reality it's more losing side than the winning sucess, those gamblers who keep sharing their winnings are mostly focusing from how they win it, but if they will also compute those amount that they also lose most of the time it's larger than what they've earn.

More on capitalizing to earn views and readers to promote their skills but only few who can really manage to make money out from this industry.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Winnings in gambling is by luck, not because the gambler is very smart or that he has a winning strategy, even sports bets that requires some knowledge about individuals or teams to bet on can still be lost despite your knowledge. Any gambler that thinks that they are in total control of their gambling, the overconfidence can make them to lose all their money, so the ideas are just illusions. What works for you today in gambling can fail you tomorrow, that shows that there is no perfect strategy to win in gambling. People should not see gambling as a major place to make money because it is by luck that you can win. Unless the gambling system is manipulated, there is no way for any gambler to have total control of the outcomes.

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Quote from: nullama on December 02, 2024, 02:24:58 AM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 01, 2024, 07:45:59 AM

~snip~
That's simply the truth, most gambler who have tasted the winning streak and have luckily win a huge amount absolutely, they might find it difficult to stop gambling or to gamble responsibly because they are so concerned about experiencing a heavy winning just like their previous winning.

At the end of the day this is the most addictive thing there is for a gambler.

Someone is exposed to the idea that they can make a lot of money with low effort, and right now, by simply gambling some of their money.

The reality of course is different and most of these people end up losing way more money than what they ever earn.

however, such feelings give gamblers confidence to continue making bets to repeat the luck that has been obtained.
gamblers sometimes think that what is obtained from casino games is a form of their efforts to apply some successful betting settings. even though we all know, that at that time we could be lucky with some wins, we might not be able to repeat the same results when we continue the game.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 01, 2024, 07:45:59 AM

~snip~
That's simply the truth, most gambler who have tasted the winning streak and have luckily win a huge amount absolutely, they might find it difficult to stop gambling or to gamble responsibly because they are so concerned about experiencing a heavy winning just like their previous winning.

At the end of the day this is the most addictive thing there is for a gambler.

Someone is exposed to the idea that they can make a lot of money with low effort, and right now, by simply gambling some of their money.

The reality of course is different and most of these people end up losing way more money than what they ever earn.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on December 01, 2024, 07:45:59 AM

Quote from: Eternad on November 30, 2024, 11:06:24 AM

Gambler doesn’t care if they lose after the lucky win despite they already on breakeven or negative profit because they feel that they can still achieve the lucky streak that they previously experienced.

This is the reason why many gamblers think that they can control the outcome in their favor while in reality only lose will occur.

That's simply the truth, most gambler who have tasted the winning streak and have luckily win a huge amount absolutely, they might find it difficult to stop gambling or to gamble responsibly because they are so concerned about experiencing a heavy winning just like their previous winning.

Feelings and thoughts after getting a big win will definitely be like that, I used to be the same, I felt confident after getting a victory in gambling made me more and more wanted to continue to gamble even though I was a few bets that had experienced a defeat that even my profit was actually gone, but The shadow in the mind that I can still win the victory again and much bigger.

This illusion will continue to overshadow our minds if we still have money to deposit and gamble again and again.

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