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October 10, 2024, 07:58:24 AM

In an open gambling sphere, someone who is very good in dice can win consecutively since he is very good in throwing the dice and can manipulate the game to a large extent with the success of his throws.


Is this really possible? I’m only watching this on movies specifically god of gambler( a Chinese movie) but I’m doubtful if this is possible in real life since dice edge is smooth which means it’s very hard to control the roll once thrown.

Besides, the only dice game that I knew which is available in physical casino is Craps that involves throwing but most of the time they already have machine to throw it automatically.

Can you provide reference on this claim? I’m interested about the trick they are using to land an accurate count on dice throw. This is useful on snake and ladders game. LoL  Cheesy

My reference is on a physical note, having played and gambled lightly with group of friends and family, I've observed that the dice game can be manipulated by an experienced player. I play with my dad and lose all the time. Also his friends praises him for his near perfection in throwing the die and always bets in favor of him when there's an opponent. He roles it slightly before throwing it and getting good numbers in a twin die game is a habit.

It looks so much like manipulation to me witnessing it, but it's clearly a testimony of his experience from long term involvement in dice games.
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October 10, 2024, 07:38:45 AM

In an open gambling sphere, someone who is very good in dice can win consecutively since he is very good in throwing the dice and can manipulate the game to a large extent with the success of his throws.


Is this really possible? I’m only watching this on movies specifically god of gambler( a Chinese movie) but I’m doubtful if this is possible in real life since dice edge is smooth which means it’s very hard to control the roll once thrown.

Besides, the only dice game that I knew which is available in physical casino is Craps that involves throwing but most of the time they already have machine to throw it automatically.

Can you provide reference on this claim? I’m interested about the trick they are using to land an accurate count on dice throw. This is useful on snake and ladders game. LoL  Cheesy
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October 10, 2024, 07:32:33 AM
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Someone in any case will have plenty of time and desire to learn various tricks in gambling. In any field there are people who can do what others can not do. Therefore, I do not doubt that in the world there are people capable of throwing the necessary combination in the dice. Even if not the first time, but they will do it. If you compare the experience of such a person with the average gambler, he will clearly have an advantage and the illusion of control will be his opponent.
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October 10, 2024, 06:06:25 AM
I would like to talk about the Dice games, for the physical ones which I am always a part of, there are people who are very good in throwing it and getting very good counts and they play it well also, and i think such expertise comes with experience and desire for excellence in it. I cannot say so for casino-based dice games since the outcome is based on the algorithms of the casino, so it is purely based on probability as compared to the physical ones which a player who is very good knows how to organize the dice properly to get good outputs when thrown.

In an open gambling sphere, someone who is very good in dice can win consecutively since he is very good in throwing the dice and can manipulate the game to a large extent with the success of his throws.

After reading your answer I remembered that I had actually heard about dice throwing techniques: You let the dice slide or fall so that it turns a certain side up. When using two dice, you can use one as a stop for the other. An experienced player can perform such throws in such a way that it will be difficult to notice.
There was also a man named Loriggio "the dice dominator", who could throw dice in such a way that it looked normal, but they landed in the right combination. This is achieved by studying how the dice fly in the air and controlling each stage of the throw.
But I can't imagine how much training it takes to perform such a thing with dice.
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October 10, 2024, 02:43:43 AM
I would like to talk about the Dice games, for the physical ones which I am always a part of, there are people who are very good in throwing it and getting very good counts and they play it well also, and i think such expertise comes with experience and desire for excellence in it. I cannot say so for casino-based dice games since the outcome is based on the algorithms of the casino, so it is purely based on probability as compared to the physical ones which a player who is very good knows how to organize the dice properly to get good outputs when thrown.

In an open gambling sphere, someone who is very good in dice can win consecutively since he is very good in throwing the dice and can manipulate the game to a large extent with the success of his throws.

As far as i know i don't think it is possible to roll a dice in a non random way.

It is just so difficult to predict the chaotic trajectory that ot is basically random.

Anyone claiming they can do it is probably selling you something
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October 09, 2024, 06:37:14 PM
I would like to talk about the Dice games, for the physical ones which I am always a part of, there are people who are very good in throwing it and getting very good counts and they play it well also, and i think such expertise comes with experience and desire for excellence in it. I cannot say so for casino-based dice games since the outcome is based on the algorithms of the casino, so it is purely based on probability as compared to the physical ones which a player who is very good knows how to organize the dice properly to get good outputs when thrown.

In an open gambling sphere, someone who is very good in dice can win consecutively since he is very good in throwing the dice and can manipulate the game to a large extent with the success of his throws.
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October 09, 2024, 06:31:03 PM
lol, op is very right sometimes we are too crazy doing useless things when we start betting, starting from crazy and stupid expressions as if we can determine the final result, but everything has been randomized by the casino system, but I think that is the art of betting and that is what makes us addicted
Addiction is what makes a gambler have the illusion that he can control the outcome of his bet by coming up with some funny practices which will end up disappointing him. It might work at first, but later it will not. Gambling is based on lucky and if you are not on your lucky moment, whatever you do will not change the outcome of the game. Initially when I started gambling, I thought all those stuff works but when I lost big, I refrain from such illusions.
then do you play without any reaction at all? just play and finish, with a flat expression, then why do you play gambling if there is no art that you get? we all know that chasing profit in gambling will be very difficult so it is better to make an exciting game
Some few time of success also do add to the reason some gamblers still stay too long in the illusion of thinking they can literally influence the results well enough only to find out later how much of folly they were doing to their selves at all most every point they were nurturing such taught. Sometimes until there's a first hand experience, there may never be a true understanding as to the fact things don go the way we think they should rather they go they way they aught to and for the casinos they go the way they have been programmed to go at every point.
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October 09, 2024, 05:37:32 PM
From my own observations, I noticed that such kinds of illusional control can only form in the head of a players who has luckily won their bets countless times without facing any loss. Even the had loss some bets, it's just minimal compared to the number of success they have had. I don't believe that anyone that is actually facing serious loss in their bet will be so delusional to think they are in control of the game.

Luck in bet is not fixed and before someone can actually be so lucky to the extent of being illusional, it's rare.
Not only those people actually  but people who are used to believing in they are expert when it comes to prediction though we can still say that  most of the people that has alot of winning spree and minimal loss consider themselves to be expert in every predictions they make thus taking most of their prediction to yield win outcomes gives them the kind of thinking about beeing in control Smiley.
However, this kind of people get wrecked easily once they start facing loss continuously imo.. they wouldn't take break thinking of getting back on track sooner than later until they get wrecked
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October 09, 2024, 04:51:44 PM
Yes, it really happens to a gambler including myself who sometimes feels that the action or decision I choose is the most appropriate to produce a win...


Those actions or decisions usually are taken with games which allow gamblers to have management on the risk they are taking and change it whenever they please, it comes to mind games like Plinko and dices, in which one can chance both the wager and the risk when we feel like it is appropriate.
People have hunches or feelings when they are having either a winning or a losing spree, they believe they next roll is going to be different so they heavily change the wager to avoid losing or to win an important amount of money. That is another example of illusion of control, which applies to session which started with a very good or a very bad streak.
In my case, I have had sessions which start with very good performances and then I have the "hunch" I was going to start to lose money, so I start to decrease my wager as low as possible. It is all one's own illusion built by our own desire to earn as much money in the shortest period of time,: greed 
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October 09, 2024, 04:13:59 PM
Yes, it really happens to a gambler including myself who sometimes feels that the action or decision I choose is the most appropriate to produce a win, or a softer dice roll is more likely to produce a win, but in any case it is actually something else outside the result, or not too related to the result, because if it turns out that your action or decision really produces a win then it is a win that comes because of luck that comes at the right time especially when we are talking about the type of casino game that is random.

So try not to get too carried away by the atmosphere, make sure that you apply limits to your expectations of winning, because if not then it is very possible for emotions to take control of you when the results are not as expected.
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October 09, 2024, 03:53:58 PM
...Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game.

In any case, playing in an online casino will be different from playing in a real casino and our result will depend not on the strength of our throw, but on how the game was originally programmed by the developers.

For the case of online casinos, there may not be as much transparency as see with offline or physical casinos. You just mentioned the issue of online casinos being programmed by the owners of the the game to function the way they may have programmed it. While it is meant to be programmed to favour every user playing the games which I feel should be the case, some programmers might want to reprogram some games to favour certain players. I am just thinking. So, with this considerations, it will be very safe to say that online games have less integrity than the offline or physical ones.
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October 09, 2024, 03:47:03 PM
lol, op is very right sometimes we are too crazy doing useless things when we start betting, starting from crazy and stupid expressions as if we can determine the final result, but everything has been randomized by the casino system, but I think that is the art of betting and that is what makes us addicted
Addiction is what makes a gambler have the illusion that he can control the outcome of his bet by coming up with some funny practices which will end up disappointing him. It might work at first, but later it will not. Gambling is based on lucky and if you are not on your lucky moment, whatever you do will not change the outcome of the game. Initially when I started gambling, I thought all those stuff works but when I lost big, I refrain from such illusions.
then do you play without any reaction at all? just play and finish, with a flat expression, then why do you play gambling if there is no art that you get? we all know that chasing profit in gambling will be very difficult so it is better to make an exciting game
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October 09, 2024, 01:24:05 PM
It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Why try to find patterns in random outcomes, a pattern will only appear on a very large number of repetitions, and even then I think it is possible for such outcomes as black and red, or heads or tails, but in this case, where any of the six equal sides can fall out, it seems almost impossible. In any game where a random choice decides, it is too difficult to win, so I do not like games in which I do not decide anything, but completely depend on chance or luck.

And those are casino games and slots. It all relies on the algorithm that will be provided to each of us. The funny thing that I remembered before is a gambler thinking that if one game is being played by a lot of gamblers then there is a chance that he will win a higher chance. That's bullshit. I have been playing slots for a long time now and all I see is my own algorithm that whenever I win a losing streak will happen and after a losing streak, a bit of win will come.
That's repetitive but it depletes your balance slowly because there's a house edge, what's not repetitive is like you said, the game itself because if it's just repeating then nothing will be lost or won.
Right now, I don't like original casino games anymore, I'd rather play slots with high multipliers and try my luck than a fully controlled low multiplier and low chance to win like dice and Plinko.
It all matters on someones perspective but actually if we do really make out some in depth understanding on how house edge works or even how those code or programs do works against its players then
you wont really be finding yourself having that kind of approach on trying out to make things to happen on whats up into your mind. This is why it would really be that important that you should really
that know on what you are really that gonna deal with so that you wont really be finding yourself that being too desperate on the time or moment on which you will really be doing gambling.
The most common issue of a certain individual is that they do really make themselves that being too optimistic that they could actually beat up the house.
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October 09, 2024, 11:53:20 AM
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From my own observations, I noticed that such kinds of illusional control can only form in the head of a players who has luckily won their bets countless times without facing any loss. Even the had loss some bets, it's just minimal compared to the number of success they have had. I don't believe that anyone that is actually facing serious loss in their bet will be so delusional to think they are in control of the game.

Luck in bet is not fixed and before someone can actually be so lucky to the extent of being illusional, it's rare.
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October 09, 2024, 10:40:52 AM
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It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Can relate to the dice example during my newbie days in gambling. I thought that I knew already most of the pattern in gambling which I developed a strategy that I will do a martingale bet whenever I experience already a 7 to 8 losing streak using small bet thinking that there’s only small chance that it will continue losing streak.

In the end, I frequently hit x20 losing streak that resulted to bust my bankroll even though I started small on this strategy. After that lesson learned, I realized that every bet is pure random and independent to previous bet.

I think there’s still a lot of newbie out there that still think the same way.
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October 09, 2024, 10:31:52 AM
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And those are casino games and slots. It all relies on the algorithm that will be provided to each of us. The funny thing that I remembered before is a gambler thinking that if one game is being played by a lot of gamblers then there is a chance that he will win a higher chance. That's bullshit. I have been playing slots for a long time now and all I see is my own algorithm that whenever I win a losing streak will happen and after a losing streak, a bit of win will come.
That's repetitive but it depletes your balance slowly because there's a house edge, what's not repetitive is like you said, the game itself because if it's just repeating then nothing will be lost or won.
Right now, I don't like original casino games anymore, I'd rather play slots with high multipliers and try my luck than a fully controlled low multiplier and low chance to win like dice and Plinko.
That gambler isn't entirely wrong, because I also paying attention with the popularity of the games itself, but with other requirement too.

I'd choose to gamble on games that there was a gambler hit the max multipliers than the games that no one ever hit the max multipliers even it's really popular like Sweet Bonanza.

It doesn't increase my chance to win, but at least it proves if the games isn't rigged.

I can't believe there is no gambler ever hit max multipliers on the most popular games...
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October 09, 2024, 09:43:59 AM
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It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Why try to find patterns in random outcomes, a pattern will only appear on a very large number of repetitions, and even then I think it is possible for such outcomes as black and red, or heads or tails, but in this case, where any of the six equal sides can fall out, it seems almost impossible. In any game where a random choice decides, it is too difficult to win, so I do not like games in which I do not decide anything, but completely depend on chance or luck.

And those are casino games and slots. It all relies on the algorithm that will be provided to each of us. The funny thing that I remembered before is a gambler thinking that if one game is being played by a lot of gamblers then there is a chance that he will win a higher chance. That's bullshit. I have been playing slots for a long time now and all I see is my own algorithm that whenever I win a losing streak will happen and after a losing streak, a bit of win will come.
That's repetitive but it depletes your balance slowly because there's a house edge, what's not repetitive is like you said, the game itself because if it's just repeating then nothing will be lost or won.
Right now, I don't like original casino games anymore, I'd rather play slots with high multipliers and try my luck than a fully controlled low multiplier and low chance to win like dice and Plinko.
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October 09, 2024, 09:23:49 AM
#95
I think there is only one way to control luck, it is Martingale. We cannot influence the probability of the desired outcome in any other way. Gamblers often discuss that if one outcome falls out, then the second one becomes possible, but this is wrong. And now I think that the casino is like a test of people's understanding of mathematics and money management...

yes, I also think that in the end it's just a matter of managing emotions and money, I understand that it's not easy that many don't succeed because, once you're inside it's easy for vice to take over and decide to play instead yours, it's not easy
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October 09, 2024, 09:21:42 AM
#94
I think there is only one way to control luck, it is Martingale. We cannot influence the probability of the desired outcome in any other way. Gamblers often discuss that if one outcome falls out, then the second one becomes possible, but this is wrong. And now I think that the casino is like a test of people's understanding of mathematics and money management...
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October 09, 2024, 07:42:21 AM
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Even though someone has a pattern of throwing their dice to be soft or hard, it will still show the number that falls in after they must have thrown the dice. Then will the person know the lucky number they have gotten.

It's a weird thought for anyone to think of having control of each bet they make. Nobody can't control what they don't know the outcome to be; rather, they expect the luck of gambling to be shown to them for their bets win, not by their might. If it's by some people's willpower or control of gambling, I don't think there will be many gamblers who would take gambling as luck-based stuff.
Exactly, something you don't know the outcome - no one can predict the future. No one can time travel, so if you don't have the ability to know what will happen in the future, how can you then predict the outcome of a game. That's exactly why the gambling industry is still thriving. If every gambler could predict game outcomes, then we will just be cashing out big every weekend. You come predict, win, you stake the big odds, you win because you can predict it.

But here, gamblers are trying to engage in responsible gambling, stake on low odds, so they can win little profit that will come together as big profit. People only stake high odds, they know they can lose the money. People cash out before the final game is up. Do you get? All these strategies will not be used by gamblers if we can predict the future.

Anybody that keeps winning, maybe low-odd games or getting high numbers with dice rolling, is lucky. You won't tell me there is a pattern, you throw it, or there is an angle you throw it to, that makes it roll in your favor. So I totally agree with you, you can't predict the outcome of something you don't know. So it's just a little bit fictional to say you can predict the outcome of games or dice roll.
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