Topic: Illusion of control - page 9. (Read 2740 times)

I can somehow get where you are coming from. In the past I had a similar feeling when I played online casino dice. Not the physical dice but the once with the numbers between 0-100.
When you, or in this case I, win and the way your "strategy" performs well you have the feeling that you are doing everything right and the wins come because if the way you play. But reality will set in real quick in the next or one session later when you lose all your profits (or likely more) in that one. 

But still, in one of the next sessions when you hopefully win again it's easy to convince yourself you yet again did everything right, until...... 

There are so many illusion in gambling and till today, many gamblers still feel like they control the outcome of of their bets especially in game of luck. Dice is a typical example and sometimes we would want to flip a dice to a particular direction thinking that we can control the outcome that could help us to win or come out with a bigger number. Gambling has different patterns we can go about it and whatsoever method works for us is preferable and can rsne us bigger rewards if we can continue tweaking it in a way that it will keep giving us profits.

It is easy to have control when losing in a consistent way. I have felt this first hand trying my luck more than I should and the results have been devastating, losing after losing after losing and so I stopped for one moment and thought cold headed that this is putting me in free downfall. It helped me to think clearly and stop gambling for I don't know how much time but it is a good first step that I have not gambled slot machines from a week or more now. The problem is when you win big that is a bad illusion as it brings you back to play and you risk of losing it all, not only that but because you have won once you deposit more trying to emulate for a second time that huge win you won in the first place, so this is much more dangerous than when you lose.

Yes, it is most likely like that, but make sure that gambling for entertainment is really done based on your own desire and understanding of what and how gambling really is, or what I mean is make sure that something that makes you prefer to make gambling as entertainment is because you are worried about the various bad possibilities that can befall you in the long term or in the sense that you already know and understand about the negative side of gambling.

On the other hand, everything you said is true, but maybe I will say it simply that when a gambler already understands, knows and is aware of the high risks that can arise from this activity, then most likely they will also know about which is good to do and which should be avoided.

I saw a video about a guy doing tricks with a dice. He can actually control the way the dice fall. It only takes a good amount of practice or skill but if it is applied in gambling, I think our opponents will notice it the longer it gets and they will stop or worse we will get beaten up for this, so its better to just do it in moderation or just play randomly/fairly. This can also make the game more exciting and fun.

In slot machines, the only way that a player can take control is if they do some cheating. If it is a physical slot machine where we insert a bill, people can insert a fake bill there or just trigger the credit button inside of the machine using some tools. I saw this before on my local but the only difference is it was done in a video game machine but I think the same trick can work on slot machines too.

We can also hack it if we have an advanced knowledge in electronics. Hacking is happening as well online. These are only wrong and are frowned upon. If it's about strategy, the only strategy we can do on slot games is we can minimize our capital and bets, and then we need to quit after hitting a good win. In sports betting and card games, even if we did an analysis, there are still times that we can lose. Maybe our opponents is much better than us or we are only unlucky that time.

By using gambling for entertain, we will not trying to gambling so hard or use too much money because that can make us loss too big. We need to know that gambling is part of many activities that we can do but we don't have to playing gambling too often because we must avoids the lose become bigger.
Many gamblers lost their money because they don't have many things needed to avoids that and they think that they can win in the next rounds which that will not always happen. They really need to realize that they can not expect winning from gambling and only need to enjoy their time.
The illusion to winning will be there but we must keep ourselves awake from that so we don't follow our greed to chase more winning. We must control ourselves from gambling and use gambling occasionally.

Of course, and this is why most of us always advise anyone including ourselves to always try to make gambling a place to find entertainment, because as we have discussed above that it is not possible to make a lot of money in a place where the wins and losses are already set by the casino, that's why most gamblers lose more often than they win, and for me that is a very reasonable result in this type of casino game in particular.

On the other hand, of course we can't lie to ourselves that getting money from winning is indeed very exciting but don't let that make us forget the real facts about what and how gambling really is, because usually in most cases the gamblers who fall and get carried away on the wrong path are those who are too obsessed with the victory.

In conclusion, my advice is to try to understand and realize first about what activity you are actually facing, don't just look at the winning side but also look at the risk side, because everything that has the potential to generate profit will always have a risk side.

So that will waste our money if we keeps trying to beat the casino because no matter how much money we use, we can lose all of that money. We will not easy to win from casino even for small money so we must understand that we can only playing gambling because of fun and gets entertain from gambling.
That will prevents us from chasing the win as we know that can lead us to have many problems after we finish our gambling time. We must be careful spending the money because the chance to win is not too big while we we can lose the money and get the gambling addiction.
Winning from gambling will give happiness to us but we must realize that casino will not allow us to get their money. Maybe we can only wait for our luck comes to us and give us a chance to win but we still need to limit our gambling activity.

Of course it is impossible for a gambler to control the game while we know that the one who creates and regulates the game is the dealer or casino itself, and this is why we often advise anyone to better focus on various precautions rather than looking for various ways to increase the chances of winning especially when you are involved in a type of casino game, because after all your victory has been arranged, or I mean the casino has arranged about when it's time for you to win and when it's time for you to lose.

One of the reasons gamblers always come back to play I think the cause is exactly the same as you believe that they are too focused on thinking about winning, such as always imagining the beauty of victory so that indirectly the thought arouses curiosity and encourages them to keep trying, and this is the reason why we are always advised to gamble moderately by setting many limits on time and amount of money and also expectations in our minds about winning, the point is to understand first about what and how gambling really is especially in terms of risk so that you don't fall into the wrong path.

The illusion of control is present not only on the physical dice, but also on the virtual one. What happens is that you are used to consecutive winnings or very short loss streaks, so at some point you don't expect to face severe losses anymore. You may face 3 or 4 consecutive losses, but you feel secure that the next one is going to be a winning, because that is what you have faced in gambling so far. And it really happens successfuly for a while, during the period of time we call short term gambling.

However, once the gambler hits the long term, the situation starts getting out of his control, and then the illusion slowly fades out. In the beginning, some resistance and denial are likely to appear as defensive mechanisms by the individual towards the unexpected losses. However, after a while he should finally understand what is going on and that an illusion is just an illusion which should be fought back and not absorved as a truth. When the gambler fails doing so, the symptoms of addiction starts getting stronger and harder to be ceased.

Gamblers will difficult to control the games because they don't owned the games but the casino has their business. If they can realize that, gamblers will not trying to playing gambling more often because they will still difficult to win and only spends their money.
An illusion of winning from gambling successfully are in their minds so that makes them keep coming back to the casino and check their lucky. But again, if they don't have their luck, they will only lose more and more without realize what happen to them.
We must avoid to be like that because we already know what gambling are. So we just use gambling for a place to relax ourselves and not gambling excessively.

This is correct, the problem of trying to find patterns when none exists is a pathological state and gamblers, traders and so on go through this. It is important to identify this problem and correct one's own self to not continue down the rabbit hole and pull themselves together.

The easy way to understand this is by verifying your own bets. No two bets are going to be similar coming one after another and the casino does not control what is outcome of a game if it is provably fair.

Be it slots or be it sports betting, trying to put together a pattern means you are going to lose.

Some people will classify and see it as learning the hard way until some gamblers experience losing their predictions back to back. They still won't be convinced that they don't control the game if they win the majority of their game and lose in the same.
 
They consider the once they lose as a little mistake that comes from them, and if calculations are reversed, they could have gotten it right, but once they start losing in almost all their predictions and rolling, then they will either accept that it was all an illusion or accuse the casino of being unfair.

So, what do you think Makes a gambling to feel so entitled like they are experts? If you had a better understanding of what I wrote, you will see that It's still the same thing am talking about. Before a gambler can start feeling that way, they must have had series of winning streak which is what can only make them start to feel they are experts.

I do hardly believe about this kind of dice manipulation specially on doing manual throws. How it would be possible considering that gravity and direction of throws will really be that something could influence on where those dice faces would really be ending up into? If he would really be making out some adjustments before he make out some throw rolls then it would really be that pretty obvious that he's doing something
on which the other player or bettor will really be definitely be not agreeing with those kind of throws but actually it couldnt be possible that you could be able to manipulate on how those dice rolls or ends up on the number that you would really be that supposed to end up. This is why im not really that buying with this kind of idea or situation on which you could actually be able to do it. As for online dice games then we do know that this is something that cant really be controlled. House do always win at the end and its really that designed for someone to lose up in the long run. This is why you shouldnt really be that making yourself that delusional on the moment or time that you do play gambling specially on casino based type then there's no way that you could really be able to alter out results or manipulate no matter how hard you do try.

The problem that gamblers have is that they think that previous game results can be used for predicting the next game result. That's not true and you mentioned that correctly but for a moment I didn't understand what you mean by throwing softer or harder because I was thinking about provably fair dice game instead of real dice.
Btw people who think that by throwing softer or harder they have control of the result, are trolling or bluffing.
Backgammon is a very popular game in my country and when I was a kid, during playing this game, I also thought that I could do 6x6 by controlling the power of my hands. Our brain thinks that if we rolled the dice what we wanted before, if we repeat the movement with the same force, we will get the same result, that's why we have an illusion of control.

I've always fell for that and chose games that gave me some sort of control, while avoiding those that didn't.

For instance, poker gives you real control, but there are games where you have choices that make you feel like you're in control, for instance you can play slots like normal or pay more to try the bonus, but that bonus roll, although it has higher rewards, also costs more, so you pay double to double your chance to win, there's no control there just choices.

It should be said that it is possible to achieve such skills only in a physical casino and such skills cannot be applied in an online casino. All our online casino skills come down to how long to hold your finger on the button before throwing.

Talking about dice, if we throw the dice manually then surely we do get an illusion that a certain type of throwing action might get us the desired number.
But in case of online gambling, rolling dice is just the same every time because we are just clicking a button.
Yet somehow our brain identifies a random pattern and we get an illusion that the next number will be within a certain range.
It's strange and funny at the same time and eventually we fail the bet and keep trying again and again just to satisfy our illusion.

I agree with that. The illusion of control often has a lot to do with people's superstitious beliefs. You will often find people saying that certain days in the week, certain hours of the day, or a certain month in a year are lucky for them and they only gamble or do things in those times so that their gambling or other works tend to become successful. I don't know where these thoughts come from in people's minds, but I find this being completely foolish and someone with sanity shouldn't think this way.

The dice example is also correct, we used to play dice among friends when we were younger, and some people used to believe that if they moved the dice a bit longer, they would tend to get more sixes, lol. I don't see any logic in this, but since they had this belief, they used to do it all the time and sometimes it would happen coincidentally.