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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 14, 2024, 06:05:35 AM

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However, when we start talking about card games, this scenario changes a little, as it is possible to involve the player's skills that influence and give a little control.
The same is true for sports games, where the skill and knowledge of the bettor are much more relevant to the outcome than the luck factor.

In card games there are some but those are either actually banned already like counting cards or just some pure tricks like magicians use. Still, there is no way that we can actually control the result of the game, let's say you're assuming you will get the better set of cards by shuffling x times. Still, it's just a coincidence that if you ever won and in the next time you won't get the exact cards in the reality which is what this topic is all about.

That I agree with but only if there's no cheating that is happening. Although it's different in online games right now, the cards are probably controlled by a system and algorithm so the gambling sites are in control with this. I think it's just live poker or physical poker where no one is in control of the cards but a player can literally control the pace of the game especially those who are really talented in it.
But with every other card game out there, there's no way we can say that the next one will be a winning result because it's not within our grasp on how the game will end up. Slots are actually the worst when it comes to discussion about control, the algorithms are made to make a gambler lose and it's basically chance when you end up with a high multiplier at the start of your game.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 16, 2024, 06:13:08 PM

In some casino games, luck still run on the side of some players that they keep playing until they made more profit than they least expect for that day, if they go again the next day with the mindset to win as they did on the previous day, they could end up losing more than they won on that previous day and it's after they have loss a huge sum, then they will realize they are not in charge, it was just luck.

That is the cycle of gambling. We win today but we are unsure of what it will be tomorrow. Those wise gamblers that understand that they cannot win the same thing tomorrow will take their money and they won't bite into that illusion that they're going to win again. It's true that they can win again some other day but it won't be guaranteed and as soon as they've thought of it. That's why we win sometimes but we often lose and that's one major pattern in gambling.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Some people might think that others it's just the way they play the game. I play cards with people that sometimes slam them down and others who toss them softly not knowing if they are going to win or not. I think some people are more passive and some more aggressive. In the end people who are more demonstrative I think are more in it for entertainment and aren't doing it to alter the outcome.

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Some people will classify and see it as learning the hard way until some gamblers experience losing their predictions back to back. They still won't be convinced that they don't control the game if they win the majority of their game and lose in the same.

They consider the once they lose as a little mistake that comes from them, and if calculations are reversed, they could have gotten it right, but once they start losing in almost all their predictions and rolling, then they will either accept that it was all an illusion or accuse the casino of being unfair.

Well, I think it's just part of human to always feel superior over something that they evidently see that they are gaining control of. It's just a natural feeling but an experience gambler should know that gambling is not something that anyone can get total control of because when you are winning frequently, it's just luck that's causing it. Time to come, luck can still run against the person.

Gambling especially in terms of casino games is about luck, in the sense that your winnings depend on how lucky you are during the session, so if you want to be able to control the outcome of gambling then it means you have to be able to control your luck or you have to be able to know when the time for luck to come, but it is a fact that no one will ever be able to know when luck will come, because it is a natural factor that comes unexpectedly and unplanned.

In some casino games, luck still run on the side of some players that they keep playing until they made more profit than they least expect for that day, if they go again the next day with the mindset to win as they did on the previous day, they could end up losing more than they won on that previous day and it's after they have loss a huge sum, then they will realize they are not in charge, it was just luck.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 13, 2024, 06:08:40 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Depending on the games you bet on, the only thing you can control is the flow of your bankroll, so that the money flows faster or slower depending on how lucky you are at the time. However, control over a game of dice, for example, is non-existent... this is pure mathematics and probability.

However, when we start talking about card games, this scenario changes a little, as it is possible to involve the player's skills that influence and give a little control.
The same is true for sports games, where the skill and knowledge of the bettor are much more relevant to the outcome than the luck factor.

Control your bankroll will be the best way to avoid the lose become big so you will not have to worry losing much money. But the fact is gamblers forget this and still trying to playing other gambling games because they think they can win their money back.
That makes their lose become big and the worst scenario is they can become addicted to gambling if they don't stop gambling for some time. We already have seen this case in many people so we must really have control over ourselves so we don't get the same experience as them.
In all gambling games, we must strictly control our bankroll because gambling can tempts us to do more thing without we realize. But if you can strict to yourself, there is nothing bad happen to you.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on October 14, 2024, 05:41:14 AM

Quote from: Nwada001 on October 10, 2024, 04:30:31 PM

Some people will classify and see it as learning the hard way until some gamblers experience losing their predictions back to back. They still won't be convinced that they don't control the game if they win the majority of their game and lose in the same.

They consider the once they lose as a little mistake that comes from them, and if calculations are reversed, they could have gotten it right, but once they start losing in almost all their predictions and rolling, then they will either accept that it was all an illusion or accuse the casino of being unfair.

Well, I think it's just part of human to always feel superior over something that they evidently see that they are gaining control of. It's just a natural feeling but an experience gambler should know that gambling is not something that anyone can get total control of because when you are winning frequently, it's just luck that's causing it. Time to come, luck can still run against the person.

You have said that it is nothing more than a gambler's feeling, because in reality it is the gamblers who are controlled by the game and not the ones who control the outcome of the game, and I think an experienced gambler should already know that fact but that is if they can use their experience as a learning experience.

Gambling especially in terms of casino games is about luck, in the sense that your winnings depend on how lucky you are during the session, so if you want to be able to control the outcome of gambling then it means you have to be able to control your luck or you have to be able to know when the time for luck to come, but it is a fact that no one will ever be able to know when luck will come, because it is a natural factor that comes unexpectedly and unplanned.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 13, 2024, 06:08:40 PM

However, when we start talking about card games, this scenario changes a little, as it is possible to involve the player's skills that influence and give a little control.
The same is true for sports games, where the skill and knowledge of the bettor are much more relevant to the outcome than the luck factor.

In card games there are some but those are either actually banned already like counting cards or just some pure tricks like magicians use. Still, there is no way that we can actually control the result of the game, let's say you're assuming you will get the better set of cards by shuffling x times. Still, it's just a coincidence that if you ever won and in the next time you won't get the exact cards in the reality which is what this topic is all about.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on October 10, 2024, 04:30:31 PM

Some people will classify and see it as learning the hard way until some gamblers experience losing their predictions back to back. They still won't be convinced that they don't control the game if they win the majority of their game and lose in the same.

They consider the once they lose as a little mistake that comes from them, and if calculations are reversed, they could have gotten it right, but once they start losing in almost all their predictions and rolling, then they will either accept that it was all an illusion or accuse the casino of being unfair.

Well, I think it's just part of human to always feel superior over something that they evidently see that they are gaining control of. It's just a natural feeling but an experience gambler should know that gambling is not something that anyone can get total control of because when you are winning frequently, it's just luck that's causing it. Time to come, luck can still run against the person.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Depending on the games you bet on, the only thing you can control is the flow of your bankroll, so that the money flows faster or slower depending on how lucky you are at the time. However, control over a game of dice, for example, is non-existent... this is pure mathematics and probability.

However, when we start talking about card games, this scenario changes a little, as it is possible to involve the player's skills that influence and give a little control.
The same is true for sports games, where the skill and knowledge of the bettor are much more relevant to the outcome than the luck factor.

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Illusion when we gamble in my opinion is an art, because when we play we seem to be able to determine the results that we predict, so that is natural in gambling, meaning we enjoy every bet we make, but we should not follow our illusions too much.

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Quote from: mirakal on October 13, 2024, 04:58:03 PM

Quote from: Weawant on October 13, 2024, 04:51:37 PM

If you take note of a loosing pattern, its very possible you will be able to know what to avoid in the case when such should come up again in another time you are gambling but agreeing to the fact that you can never be right all the time and its such that even with those serious studies and observation of the patterns, you could still get to loose at some point so basically its just an illusion actually to think you aren't going to get it wrong at some point because you have observed a pattern you believe is the way which the game goes all the time.

That only proves that we can never beat the gambling casino, but it's more often to see us in the losing end. Even if we prioritize to play in skill-based games, still there is no guarantee in winning. The winning pattern may sometimes work, but most of the time it won't. So the best remedy to this, just never let your emotions completely control your betting habits, but always have time to put a limit regardless if you feel lucky on that certain kind of game.

Would that actually work out? Many players can't handle their emotions, and it's worrisome. Weawant is right with the notion of marking a losing pattern, that'll help with the emotional control, and memorizing of how previous losses affected us psychology and financially.

The problem with players is how to implement instructions on limitations, because it's not simple to remember them while gambling. It's like a struggle between the mind and the house, one party, the player needs to win.

So at that moment, nothing else occurs to the brain aside from coming out victorious. Hence, the right advice would be, that gamblers have to forsake those mental struggle of beating the house or the thoughts of having a bit of control over gaming outcomes, and focus on the lessons their previous losses have to teach.

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Quote from: Weawant on October 13, 2024, 04:51:37 PM

Quote from: swogerino on October 13, 2024, 07:14:12 AM

It is easy to have control when losing in a consistent way. I have felt this first hand trying my luck more than I should and the results have been devastating, losing after losing after losing and so I stopped for one moment and thought cold headed that this is putting me in free downfall. It helped me to think clearly and stop gambling for I don't know how much time but it is a good first step that I have not gambled slot machines from a week or more now. The problem is when you win big that is a bad illusion as it brings you back to play and you risk of losing it all, not only that but because you have won once you deposit more trying to emulate for a second time that huge win you won in the first place, so this is much more dangerous than when you lose.

If you take note of a loosing pattern, its very possible you will be able to know what to avoid in the case when such should come up again in another time you are gambling but agreeing to the fact that you can never be right all the time and its such that even with those serious studies and observation of the patterns, you could still get to loose at some point so basically its just an illusion actually to think you aren't going to get it wrong at some point because you have observed a pattern you believe is the way which the game goes all the time.

That only proves that we can never beat the gambling casino, but it's more often to see us in the losing end. Even if we prioritize to play in skill-based games, still there is no guarantee in winning. The winning pattern may sometimes work, but most of the time it won't. So the best remedy to this, just never let your emotions completely control your betting habits, but always have time to put a limit regardless if you feel lucky on that certain kind of game.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 13, 2024, 07:14:12 AM

It is easy to have control when losing in a consistent way. I have felt this first hand trying my luck more than I should and the results have been devastating, losing after losing after losing and so I stopped for one moment and thought cold headed that this is putting me in free downfall. It helped me to think clearly and stop gambling for I don't know how much time but it is a good first step that I have not gambled slot machines from a week or more now. The problem is when you win big that is a bad illusion as it brings you back to play and you risk of losing it all, not only that but because you have won once you deposit more trying to emulate for a second time that huge win you won in the first place, so this is much more dangerous than when you lose.

If you take note of a loosing pattern, its very possible you will be able to know what to avoid in the case when such should come up again in another time you are gambling but agreeing to the fact that you can never be right all the time and its such that even with those serious studies and observation of the patterns, you could still get to loose at some point so basically its just an illusion actually to think you aren't going to get it wrong at some point because you have observed a pattern you believe is the way which the game goes all the time.

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Quote from: Cantsay on October 13, 2024, 02:40:19 PM

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There are no special skills in luck-based gambling such as dice, people who feel they can guess that I think they are really in a hallucination that makes them confident when they are just lucky if they really get according to what was said before, it's like in a slot game that we think we have a pattern to get a win by calculating a few rounds, but that theory is just an illusion that makes itself that cannot be mathematically calculated. lol

You can’t blame them, imagine doing something for more than 5 times and each time you do it, it always result in you winning - so to them they’ll feel it’s because of that thing they did that gave them the win without them realizing that it was all luck.

There are some people they’ll stake small money and play for up to five time after that they’ll increase the money they are placing on each bet and whenever they increase it they’ll win that round - if they should do it consecutively and win all of them they’ll feel that they have found a cheat code and can possibly control how they win or lose if they follow that strategy. There are hundred other things that people do and win luckily but think it’s because of that action they took before betting.

Winning a match or game for five times in a row is rare, and it's normal for someone to think like they found the key to unlocking more treasures, but in fact they become impulsive when they get such a win later on, isn't that a ridiculous response to the luck that they basically can't control in life, What is very worrying is that they always look for ways and create their own theories in gambling, as if they found a way to get a win, indeed they are not wrong, but that is the beginning of them losing more money in gambling, the illusion of their minds will continue to feel curious if they get a one-time failure.

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Quote from: Akbarkoe on October 13, 2024, 01:41:47 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

There are no special skills in luck-based gambling such as dice, people who feel they can guess that I think they are really in a hallucination that makes them confident when they are just lucky if they really get according to what was said before, it's like in a slot game that we think we have a pattern to get a win by calculating a few rounds, but that theory is just an illusion that makes itself that cannot be mathematically calculated. lol

You can’t blame them, imagine doing something for more than 5 times and each time you do it, it always result in you winning - so to them they’ll feel it’s because of that thing they did that gave them the win without them realizing that it was all luck.

There are some people they’ll stake small money and play for up to five time after that they’ll increase the money they are placing on each bet and whenever they increase it they’ll win that round - if they should do it consecutively and win all of them they’ll feel that they have found a cheat code and can possibly control how they win or lose if they follow that strategy. There are hundred other things that people do and win luckily but think it’s because of that action they took before betting.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

I think this is just psychological and it works for those who use it which is why they hold on to it. I have seen a gambler who just depends on the numbers that comes to his mind and he goes to bet on football with it especially on draws and at random, he wins too. Some focast while looking at a particular pattern through time like years and monitors it occurrence, they win at random too. Yes regards to dice casting, some people have mastered some pattern too to be the favourite for what number they are aiming at. Some believe when it is slowly rolled then it has the tendency of producing higher numbers and it works then they keep to it. In gambling, it is luck that matters most times and whichever way you get lucky then you are likely to keep to it. This is psychological and it also works for me sometimes to stick to a certain pattern of options. Options like over 1.5 or 2.5 appears to be more favourable for me.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

There are no special skills in luck-based gambling such as dice, people who feel they can guess that I think they are really in a hallucination that makes them confident when they are just lucky if they really get according to what was said before, it's like in a slot game that we think we have a pattern to get a win by calculating a few rounds, but that theory is just an illusion that makes itself that cannot be mathematically calculated. lol

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

The truth is,whatever strategy or skill we are using to play our games, it will only be beneficial to us for a short while, after, that, the house begins to win. Everyone of us have at some point or the other felt like we are in control when we use one pattern consecutively and it yields positive results for us. Gamblers need to know when to pause, try something differently and hope on luck too, so they do not end up losing more money by following thesame pattern that worked for them some time past.

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I never thought I could control the numbers on the dice that would come out, where in my opinion it was all based on luck, there is indeed a saying in our hearts when we shake the dice so that the expected number comes out. if it really comes out it is really luck not in our control,

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Quote from: uneng on October 11, 2024, 07:09:38 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game.

The illusion of control is present not only on the physical dice, but also on the virtual one. What happens is that you are used to consecutive winnings or very short loss streaks, so at some point you don't expect to face severe losses anymore. You may face 3 or 4 consecutive losses, but you feel secure that the next one is going to be a winning, because that is what you have faced in gambling so far. And it really happens successfuly for a while, during the period of time we call short term gambling.

However, once the gambler hits the long term, the situation starts getting out of his control, and then the illusion slowly fades out. In the beginning, some resistance and denial are likely to appear as defensive mechanisms by the individual towards the unexpected losses. However, after a while he should finally understand what is going on and that an illusion is just an illusion which should be fought back and not absorved as a truth. When the gambler fails doing so, the symptoms of addiction starts getting stronger and harder to be ceased.

Oh yeah, it does, and not just on dice but also in slots.

An example is a losing streak that could happen which should be normal in slot games but because a gambler has an illusion that something should be given back to him after that losing streak, he will keep on betting until he depletes his balance. Wrong!
Gambling games don't have a brain or heart to pity those who are losing, it will just follow the algorithm that is input by its creator and I doubt they made an algorithm that will make a gambler win. That will be stupid if they do that.
This is why we cannot expect anything from gambling games especially the casino ones. Online casinos would not stay this long if they are losing money, that ain't business.

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