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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

That's what we call, Gambler's fallacy. Gamblers thought that there is a pattern that we, or we assume that we can see a pattern and so we are going to bet for example in baccarat game that Banker are going to win because it hit previously.

But we all know that in gambling, we are betting on the unknown, we don't know what will be the next flip on the card or what will be the number count in a dice in the next throw. And so we thought that gambling is not random, and that there is a pattern, but it truth, past outcomes will not dictate future outcomes.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

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Pretty sure that illusion either comes from blind confidence or because of the odds that the numbers show us. While they are true, I always like to consider that they are scenarios that can hapen because of the "infinite" limit that testing/calculating has (or at least that's how I think of it). A 1/10 chance of losing can also mean 10/100, 100/1000, and so on and so forth. And god knows what or where my games would land on really lol. I believe it, yes, and it's probably why I know that realistically, it won't work out unless I have a LOT of money.

On the other hand though, they can't take control of the results of their bets, but they can still control the amount of money they bet though. So that's where I started concentraing when I realized stuff like that.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Do gamblers really do that? I don’t think. Not at all.
All gamblers especially those to have gambled for a long time understands that, there isn’t no control or definite method to this. Most especially, the dice. Mehn, it’s a dice, how do you control that! It’s always going to be a coin toss although, you always have the hope that, several triers always draws you closer to a win or your prediction but, that’s how far it goes. It’s never up to you what the outcome might be.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

A normal thing that you would really be able to experience or behavior on which it something that you will really be able to do normally or something that will really be coming up into your mind
on the moment that you would really be playing. There would really be those times that you have that kind of confidence that this would really be the way of rolling up those bets on which
you will really be applying some strategy on which you do know that it could potentially be able to beat up the game, but honestly this is something that couldnt be that proven out or
really be able to make yourself as a winner on which considering on how things set up then there's no way on beating up the house no matter what. All of those things are imagination.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

The illusion of control provides a feeling to gamblers that they have a chance to win a game. It is just an illusion and should not count, but gamblers like me will like to hold on to any feeling or belief that we presume will be helpful in influencing luck our way. It is also due to this illusion of control that some people have made up superstitions in all forms about gambling; some superstitions are reasonable; others are completely absurd.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Maybe dice is not the best example if we want to discuss about the typically false illusion of control, but it's a good starting point.

I truly believe that the greater the belief that skill has a real bearing on the outcome, the greater the potential for falling into that illusion, so I wouldn't apply it to games based on pure chance like roulette, slots, crash... and yes, dice. I don't think we can talk about illusion of control in these games, but about magical thinking instead, because no reasonable person would truly believe that their skill would help them win in those particular games.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

This is one of the most addictive parts of gambling, the seed in a gamblers mind that they have any influence in the outcome of unskilled games and that a streak of losses means that eventually the game should start paying out. Neither of these is true, but has cost people everything before they realize and sometimes they never will realize. Keep gambling to a small and fun outlet where you expect to lose every penny you put in, that is the right mentality to have. On unskilled games, which is pretty much every game a casino offers, you will never beat the house because and you'll only endanger your finances by playing these games too often.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Every gambler must have felt it, not only in games like dice, I personally even felt like I had control over a football match after I won bets there in a row. You know Tottenham's match when they faced Brentford?

I confidently placed a bet in the 25th minute of the match and was sure that Tottenham would score their second goal in the first half, not long after that, Brennan Johnson scored for Tottenham. It didn't stop there, after the match went on without any more goals until the 75th minute, I placed another bet on over 3.5 total goals, then again James Maddison scored for Tottenham Cheesy

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

This was also common when I used to play with physical dice. Some of us used to believe that shaking the dice at specific times resulted in wins. There may also be some superstition associated with the belief that we can control or influence the outcome of the game by acting in a certain way while gambling. Gambling is primarily based on luck; these patterns may result in a few wins, but there is no guarantee that such wins will be consistent. Having this mentality should be discouraged because it can lead to excessive gambling.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

This is true 100 with the luck-based game where it totally relies on the RNG result. This kind of game does not need a skill or whatsoever, they just need luck to win. I do not know why people think they have a control over the result when they themselves can't even tell the next result of the luck base game.

But on the game that requires skill, I think the control on the result here is somehow not an illusion because with proper thinking and strategy, the player can lead himself to his wanted outcome.

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Maybe it's more about Gambler's Fallacy(?), which is a case where a gambler believes that a random event is less likely or more likely to happen based on the outcome of a previous event. Usually gamblers are often like this where they believe that if they choose A then it will happen based on their experience, but the reality is that they actually lose, because it is very difficult to predict the outcome of the gambling. This kind of thinking error often makes gamblers experience quite a lot of losses and in a row, because they are too confident in what they believe and assume that the gambling is under their control, when in fact it is not.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Nobody can control the outcome of gambling unless they're manipulating it, gambling is supposed to be based basically on luck. Most casino games like slot and dice are based on luck, there's no special skills that is involved to play and win, so any feelings of being in control while playing can as well be seen as illusions. But skills can be involved in sports bet, if a bettor understands teams strengths and weaknesses, it can guide them to analyze matches. Being overconfident and having a feeling of being in total control during gambling can lead to chasing loses and degenerate to addiction.

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Quote from: Hewlet on October 07, 2024, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

even though dice is usually looked at as a complete luck based game, you could know some patterns as a dice player and overtime you tend to get similar outcome from the dice by using that same pattern. At least for dice I'm certain that it's one game we play frequently even without making use of money and it's usually the case that you command a certain number to come out and it does come out.

While playing you hear stuff like, Double 6! and most times it comes out that way. We've come to almost believe that when you command a particular number that the number must always come out while if you're casual, random numbers alone are the things that will regularly come out. Apart from purely luck based games, any other game that's not dependent on just your luck like the usual football games, what you believe in doesn't even matter. After believing that a game will go in a certain direction, The players will go to the Field and play what they want to play and bring back a result that's totally based on thier performance and not what you say, think or believe.

I was smiling when reading you post because what you said about calling out the number that you want when rolling a dice and the number appears is just luck and it doesn't mean that it was your believe that made it happen. The reason why I said this is because, there are also times that you will call those numbers and the outcome will be different. I have also rolled dice in that way, there are sometime that for you to get a six will be very difficult and maybe after 30 rolls is when a six will appear. What I am pointing out is that it is illusion and nothing more because your win is based on luck be it skill game or non skill game.

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When it comes to gambling, would be very hard to contain your games especially once you are on the losing end. As the tendency to recover is always there, your route is to play again and again up until you have no more bankroll to play with. That's the dilemma of most gamblers, how to stop when you are already on the losing side?

Quote from: crwth on October 07, 2024, 12:42:44 PM

I believe that ultimately, saying that you can control it is crazy just because you cannot control it, but you can have a strategy to improve your chances because you can control what you do when you are gambling. Maybe you are talking about being delusional in terms of feeling and knowing that you could continue gambling and then win a jackpot. I guess it’s the part of you where you justify yourself because you want some time or see somebody when you could do it too. It’s that influence, in my opinion, and you cannot replicate that and control it.

Winning a jackpot is very slippery when it comes to gambling. So better prepare yourself in this addictive activity. The reason why everyone is advising to just use spare money because winning is hard, let alone, survive long without busting your bankroll. Most definitely, the aim of every gambler is to win something, however, such target is not everyday that you can achieve in this game.

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I believe that ultimately, saying that you can control it is crazy just because you cannot control it, but you can have a strategy to improve your chances because you can control what you do when you are gambling. Maybe you are talking about being delusional in terms of feeling and knowing that you could continue gambling and then win a jackpot. I guess it’s the part of you where you justify yourself because you want some time or see somebody when you could do it too. It’s that influence, in my opinion, and you cannot replicate that and control it.

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Quote from: electronicash on October 07, 2024, 12:38:49 PM

gamblers still like dice because the martingale sometimes work for them. the amount of money they bet is what they can control.

I have tried martingale on 3 odds games in roulette and I also tried it on 2 odds while gambling with dice. Martingale will be used buy the newbies and later leave it when it failed them. Have you played in a way that you will think that the gambling site is scamming you like they are manipulating? It is not manipulation because I have experienced it on several casinos. It is house edge. This will make martingale not work in long term.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

even though dice is usually looked at as a complete luck based game, you could know some patterns as a dice player and overtime you tend to get similar outcome from the dice by using that same pattern. At least for dice I'm certain that it's one game we play frequently even without making use of money and it's usually the case that you command a certain number to come out and it does come out.

While playing you hear stuff like, Double 6! and most times it comes out that way. We've come to almost believe that when you command a particular number that the number must always come out while if you're casual, random numbers alone are the things that will regularly come out. Apart from purely luck based games, any other game that's not dependent on just your luck like the usual football games, what you believe in doesn't even matter. After believing that a game will go in a certain direction, The players will go to the Field and play what they want to play and bring back a result that's totally based on thier performance and not what you say, think or believe.

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It is worth pointing out, that illusion of control usually appears when the gambler is having a winning spree and good luck in on his side, to the point they are able to withdraw a significant amount of money before continuing to gamble for the rest of their session.As we know, the illusion will sooner or later be broken by the laws of chances kicking in and making the gambler to start losing money at a very fast pace, leading to losses.

Also, I have seen people in this community and in other places on the internet to talk about "charms" or luck amulets which alledgedly helps them to have good luck during their sessions, that is part of the same illusion of control. They gaslight themselves on following patterns which actually do not exist by trying to correlate their good or bad luck to things around happening to them. If a very superstitious gambler have very good luck gambling on Tuesday and very bad luck gambling the next day, he will quit gambling on Wednesdays and only gamble on Tuesdays from that day on.

Beaides of the silliness we could find of that kind of behavior, it is certainly interesting how the mind of one could push us to rationalize something which we already know it is outside our control.

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the online dice game is like binary though. even when we have no idea of the result, somehow when there's just below 50 and above 50, the odds of winning is quite high which is worth the risk for the gambler. doubling the money in such simple game is tempting.

gamblers still like dice because the martingale sometimes work for them. the amount of money they bet is what they can control.

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It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

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