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Quote from: Eternad on November 30, 2024, 11:06:24 AM

Gambler doesn’t care if they lose after the lucky win despite they already on breakeven or negative profit because they feel that they can still achieve the lucky streak that they previously experienced.

This is the reason why many gamblers think that they can control the outcome in their favor while in reality only lose will occur.

That's simply the truth, most gambler who have tasted the winning streak and have luckily win a huge amount absolutely, they might find it difficult to stop gambling or to gamble responsibly because they are so concerned about experiencing a heavy winning just like their previous winning.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Illusion for me in this regards has more to do with players expectations, I can remember making those commands in dice game and most times it works perfectly well as assumed or expected, and this assumption or expectations is what shows how much of our interest in the game, surely there is no skill in that the reason why it doesn't work all the times irrespective of how much we attempt to control or maintain pattern we are comfortable with to achieve the desired result, trust me there is nothing of such as a gambler assuming to have a control over the outcomes of their games it works with luck.

Well, I think what you said is true that the illusion in gambling is influenced by the expectations of a gambler, or what is meant by the expectations that gamblers have greatly influence the various actions and thoughts of a gambler so as to create an illusion that for example does not make sense, on the other hand, yes, it is good if for example you manage to win in a dice game by relying on the illusion you have, but maybe I would also say that it happens because luck comes at the right time for you. So basically, as you believe, luck is still an important factor in winning, simply put, luck is what will determine whether you will win or lose regardless of how you gamble.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Illusion for me in this regards has more to do with players expectations, I can remember making those commands in dice game and most times it works perfectly well as assumed or expected, and this assumption or expectations is what shows how much of our interest in the game, surely there is no skill in that the reason why it doesn't work all the times irrespective of how much we attempt to control or maintain pattern we are comfortable with to achieve the desired result, trust me there is nothing of such as a gambler assuming to have a control over the outcomes of their games it works with luck.

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Quote from: Tungbulu on November 29, 2024, 07:27:44 AM

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Making use of other gamblers strategy is a normal for which I don't criticize but depending on them is a BS. it's people like that who do use huge funds to bet on games due to the personality from which the prediction were gotten but more often than not they get disappointed. The so-called professionals if they were that good in making successful predictions they would have turned billions and wouldn't have interest in giving out those predictions in exchange for a fee.

that’s exactly what I keep saying. And most people who depend on these online predictors for games don’t even reminisce on these facts, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with taking games from them, where I have a problem is when those so called expert predictors pose themselves as flawless to their followers and those who are naive end up believing them and setting unrealistic expectations for themselves.

Funny enough even if any one could be so proud of himself as regards to making professional predictions is it not better people pay after winning rather than paying before winning because it will only becomes a double loss if after paying for the games we are not sure and at the same time betting the game with our money and at the end of the day the game didn't play as predicted, some time I usually say if they are so real so many will only prefer sharing among their families and friends and will never care about the general public but yeah some people still fall for their tricks and pay especially those that are still early in gambling and feels gambling works so easily, I can still remember my cousin making such mistake sometimes ago , honestly their is nothing that could be so sure as to say is a sure game until the end of the game from any so called professional predictors.

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Quote from: South Park on November 30, 2024, 12:02:16 PM

Quote from: nimogsm on November 30, 2024, 07:42:59 AM

All this comes only with experience for each player. Sometimes you need to make a number of mistakes in order to understand that it is time to change tactics or take a break in games, this is important. Only personal discipline is the best friend of the player who at least somehow thinks about his budget, those who are the most frivolous and most often have a negative result.

The issue with that approach is that you could have learned the same lessons for free just reading more about gambling, so there is a lot of people out there that lost money they could not afford just to learn something that anyone with a little bit of curiosity could have learned, and the worst part is that many of those people will still refuse to learn their lesson, thinking they can find a way to profit from gambling, and that is when an addition can take place and destroy their lives.

Yup that's right, I agree with your opinion that the point of the conclusion is that we don't actually have to experience a slump first to be able to achieve that awareness, because as you said that if for example we really intend to direct ourselves to a better approach then we can actually take action that can make us aware without having to experience a slump first such as asking other people or making the experience of the slump experienced by other people as a lesson for us so that we don't have to experience a slump in the sense of losing money just to be able to achieve such awareness, but yes I also agree with the idea that in most cases gamblers must first experience a slump in order to achieve awareness within themselves that in fact the results of gambling cannot be controlled by anything other than luck.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

When you keep repeating the same thing over and over again and you keep getting the result expected over and over again, you will in no time start to feel you’re good at it and your continual win of it has given you the opportunity to perfect it. In gambling that involves throwing of dice or guessing the outcome of a game just by mere facts or analysis of past results, is just often base on luck most of the times and not your perfection or the understanding of the game. You may have a winning strategy that you feel works for you but it also looks like it’s just a mere coincidence most of the time and not your knowledge. Luck lives more here and will most of the game win them on luck and not your perfection of the game in most cases.

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Quote from: nimogsm on November 30, 2024, 07:42:59 AM

All this comes only with experience for each player. Sometimes you need to make a number of mistakes in order to understand that it is time to change tactics or take a break in games, this is important. Only personal discipline is the best friend of the player who at least somehow thinks about his budget, those who are the most frivolous and most often have a negative result.

The issue with that approach is that you could have learned the same lessons for free just reading more about gambling, so there is a lot of people out there that lost money they could not afford just to learn something that anyone with a little bit of curiosity could have learned, and the worst part is that many of those people will still refuse to learn their lesson, thinking they can find a way to profit from gambling, and that is when an addition can take place and destroy their lives.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 30, 2024, 10:25:18 AM

You know that everyone is not the same, some people are usually blinded by the profit they will get, that's why they don't care to take a second to think about the negative impact that comes after words. Some times in the past was when I actually did made gambling a priority to earn from but it didn't last because that was not going to take me anywhere in the bigger picture.

I can relate to this and probably most of the gambler that keeps gambling despite losing. It’s very to stop gambling especially if you already experienced winning multiple times like a weeks or months of winning.

Gambler doesn’t care if they lose after the lucky win despite they already on breakeven or negative profit because they feel that they can still achieve the lucky streak that they previously experienced.

This is the reason why many gamblers think that they can control the outcome in their favor while in reality only lose will occur.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 30, 2024, 10:25:18 AM

Quote from: Tungbulu on November 30, 2024, 09:21:34 AM

honestly sometimes I do wanna just make some good profits off gambling, but that doesn’t mean I prioritize it all the time or allow it lure me into making certain decisions or setting unrealistic goals and expectations, I still acknowledge my boundaries.
At least people should use their brains to think, even while chasing some profits. The worst thing about some of these people that pay these fees to join these groups, they end up trusting these tips way too much and this often lands them into even bigger problems.

You know that everyone is not the same, some people are usually blinded by the profit they will get, that's why they don't care to take a second to think about the negative impact that comes after words. Some times in the past was when I actually did made gambling a priority to earn from but it didn't last because that was not going to take me anywhere in the bigger picture.

A few seconds or minutes only make the anxiety and obsession bigger, maybe in the initial moments, the compulsion against greed for profit is still high but then the compulsion cannot increase by itself while the bet and these magic numbers can still increase. There is no limit to profit is a noteworthy point, people even though not bound by greed much but the obsession with profit is still hidden and revealed when the casino money fills more, in fact the control that many people think is a very sharp knife pointing straight and very close to them.

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Quote from: Tungbulu on November 30, 2024, 09:21:34 AM

honestly sometimes I do wanna just make some good profits off gambling, but that doesn’t mean I prioritize it all the time or allow it lure me into making certain decisions or setting unrealistic goals and expectations, I still acknowledge my boundaries.
At least people should use their brains to think, even while chasing some profits. The worst thing about some of these people that pay these fees to join these groups, they end up trusting these tips way too much and this often lands them into even bigger problems.

You know that everyone is not the same, some people are usually blinded by the profit they will get, that's why they don't care to take a second to think about the negative impact that comes after words. Some times in the past was when I actually did made gambling a priority to earn from but it didn't last because that was not going to take me anywhere in the bigger picture.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 30, 2024, 06:45:27 AM

It's not much of a surprise but the obvious truth is that more than 80% of gamblers are in the game for profit and not really for fun. If players are gambling for profit alone, they can do anything possible to get a winning ticket and doing anything means taking other predictions and betting on it. Some people pay subscription fee to some groups or channels where betting codes are shared amount gamblers who wants to make money from gambling 😂.

And the question remains, if those people are so damn good in predictions, why do they still need to take money from people to join their channels or groups in order to access their games when they can simply make way more than that from betting on their own games? Yes sometimes even responsible gamblers gamble for profits, honestly sometimes I do wanna just make some good profits off gambling, but that doesn’t mean I prioritize it all the time or allow it lure me into making certain decisions or setting unrealistic goals and expectations, I still acknowledge my boundaries.
At least people should use their brains to think, even while chasing some profits. The worst thing about some of these people that pay these fees to join these groups, they end up trusting these tips way too much and this often lands them into even bigger problems.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Besides dice games, even slots, crash games, and mines do not require skills involved in these games, the ones I mentioned are purely based on luck to win a game like this.
Then this is better because there is no hassle after all.

Then I think gamblers often win or make money playing slots games, most of the time according to what I have observed during my time
playing at online casinos here in the crypto space.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 30, 2024, 06:45:27 AM

Quote from: Tungbulu on November 29, 2024, 04:54:16 PM

Like seriously, where’s the fun when you can’t come up with your own predictions and test your luck? If one depends on others for predictions all the time, then it becomes pretty obvious that such a person is solely there for the profit rather fun. Yeah at some point a gambler may wish to just try us luck but maybe due to the fact that they’re not in the right position to make predictions at that moment, they decide to take predictions or tips from others, but some fail to understand that, the same way they feel that their own predictions may not be accurate, that’s the same way their own tips are not also accurate and may likely fail too.

It's not much of a surprise but the obvious truth is that more than 80% of gamblers are in the game for profit and not really for fun. If players are gambling for profit alone, they can do anything possible to get a winning ticket and doing anything means taking other predictions and betting on it. Some people pay subscription fee to some groups or channels where betting codes are shared amount gamblers who wants to make money from gambling 😂.

Yes, that's right, I also quite agree with your opinion that this is no longer a strange thing, I can also ensure that most of the gamblers play with the intention of making money and not for entertainment, or most of them are people who come with making winning a priority, one of the reasons is because logically if the goal is to find entertainment then there are actually many other things that can entertain without having to involve yourself in the possibility of risk, and this is the reason why I am really sure that most gamblers come to try their luck to win. On the other hand, yes, I have also seen such groups, they are usually paid in the sense of directing gamblers to a subscription system by showing everything that is tempting that seems to be convincing that the results will really be in accordance with expectations, even though in the end they still lose, they still lose.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 29, 2024, 06:12:45 PM

As though,every gambler needs to be clothed in the right mentality over uncertainties and unforseen challenges or mistakes.Every individual can have the right frame of mind and still fail due to incompetent and incorporate activity orientation.Getting an aim for gambling is really good and easy at the same time.

All this comes only with experience for each player. Sometimes you need to make a number of mistakes in order to understand that it is time to change tactics or take a break in games, this is important. Only personal discipline is the best friend of the player who at least somehow thinks about his budget, those who are the most frivolous and most often have a negative result.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 30, 2024, 06:45:27 AM

It's not much of a surprise but the obvious truth is that more than 80% of gamblers are in the game for profit and not really for fun. If players are gambling for profit alone, they can do anything possible to get a winning ticket and doing anything means taking other predictions and betting on it. Some people pay subscription fee to some groups or channels where betting codes are shared amount gamblers who wants to make money from gambling 😂.

I agree with you most gamblers are more looking for financial gain than pleasure, sometimes pleasure is made number two for many gamblers, and that is a fact from many gamblers who play a lot to seek their fortune, some people also force themselves to subscribe to groups or betting signal channels and that makes me think that someone is looking for profit, because it is impossible for someone who is looking for pleasure to subscribe to get betting information, including dice games sometimes they speculate time.

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Quote from: Tungbulu on November 29, 2024, 04:54:16 PM

Like seriously, where’s the fun when you can’t come up with your own predictions and test your luck? If one depends on others for predictions all the time, then it becomes pretty obvious that such a person is solely there for the profit rather fun. Yeah at some point a gambler may wish to just try us luck but maybe due to the fact that they’re not in the right position to make predictions at that moment, they decide to take predictions or tips from others, but some fail to understand that, the same way they feel that their own predictions may not be accurate, that’s the same way their own tips are not also accurate and may likely fail too.

It's not much of a surprise but the obvious truth is that more than 80% of gamblers are in the game for profit and not really for fun. If players are gambling for profit alone, they can do anything possible to get a winning ticket and doing anything means taking other predictions and betting on it. Some people pay subscription fee to some groups or channels where betting codes are shared amount gamblers who wants to make money from gambling 😂.

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Of course, luck is the main thing in gambling and without it no one can win, but the thing is that the player himself creates the illusion of control in the game. In his head there is a dream in which he wins the jackpot or just big money with which he can afford many luxurious things. And the stronger this belief, the more the player wants to bet, he takes more risks and if he does not win anything, he becomes angry that luck has not chosen him. This forces him to do chaotic actions, such as betting all the money he has. There were many such situations and they are all similar to each other. I will only help to say that do not let the game get you out of yourself, by controlling yourself, we control the game.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game.

There is no need for a soothsayer before people know that such a person is deceiving himself and no wonder they fail bitterly in gambling. I don't know the aspect of the casino games you can master and be earning consistently with for a long period. Has that not hinted to the person how careless it is to think a pattern or control has been discovered? I advise anyone gambling casino games to neutralise his mind on the outcome, particularly, on the money because no one can ever guarantee a means of doing it better than luck.

You probably forgot that there is poker, where your skills, experience, knowledge of mathematics play a decisive role. Of course, there is no 100% guarantee that there will be income every month, but I have seen many players who rose from the very bottom, for example, from the HK2 limit.

You have a point, and I tell you, I considered it as well and even more because poker games need skills too and I've said it on this forum that I know of lottery games that people win with calculations. They use the past results of the game to analyse what will happen and they win. But if we average everything, we can't still say casino games are skill-based for profits to be made, we need more luck. If it was as simple for people to make money with skills even in poker games, many would have been the professors of the game and punished the house for their money.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 29, 2024, 04:35:22 AM

Quote from: mak013 on November 29, 2024, 02:41:23 AM

As for me - you have some control only in sport betting or some card games. Only in the situation when your actions can change something. You can analyze the match or played cards and after it you can make your turn.
In all other casino games when you just drop your money and wait the result - you control nothing.

Control in sports betting is just based on your analysis, and so if you are wrong then definitely you lost that control. Or if the games suddenly chance, let's say one player got injured and so the outcome might change for the bad and you might lose it as well.

For some card games like Poker, maybe, but it will take years and years to perfect that craft. Those pro poker players didn't become overnight sensation. They really have to spend years behind to become so called a "expert" as they can read their opponents or pull off a great bluff.

If i wrong i don`t lose the control, i make a mistake. Of course no one can control everything. Injuries, coach strategy, table strategy, cup strategy, new transfers and lots of different other things we can`t control. But we can control the risk. If Real Madrid play with Barselona - it is high risk, but if RM play with, for example, Alaves - it is low level risk.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 29, 2024, 02:41:23 AM

As for me - you have some control only in sport betting or some card games. Only in the situation when your actions can change something. You can analyze the match or played cards and after it you can make your turn.
In all other casino games when you just drop your money and wait the result - you control nothing.

Exactly, you can use your knowledge regarding to whatever type of gambling you are involve with and you can set some limitations to avoid losing a lot, of but in terms of actual results there's no way that you can control it, upset can happen even how good you are researching and analyzing the game, or even how good your experience if you are playing cards there's no assurance that you can control everything though you can always limit the possible loss that you can afford to let go.

I can`t control everything of course, but i can analyze risks and decrease it. I can make big bet for easy match and small bet on a risky event. I can even skip it. So it is the control i talk about.

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As though,every gambler needs to be clothed in the right mentality over uncertainties and unforseen challenges or mistakes.Every individual can have the right frame of mind and still fail due to incompetent and incorporate activity orientation.Getting an aim for gambling is really good and easy at the same time.

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