Topic: Illusion of control - page 3. (Read 1366 times)

So, what do you think Makes a gambling to feel so entitled like they are experts? If you had a better understanding of what I wrote, you will see that It's still the same thing am talking about. Before a gambler can start feeling that way, they must have had series of winning streak which is what can only make them start to feel they are experts.

I do hardly believe about this kind of dice manipulation specially on doing manual throws. How it would be possible considering that gravity and direction of throws will really be that something could influence on where those dice faces would really be ending up into? If he would really be making out some adjustments before he make out some throw rolls then it would really be that pretty obvious that he's doing something
on which the other player or bettor will really be definitely be not agreeing with those kind of throws but actually it couldnt be possible that you could be able to manipulate on how those dice rolls or ends up on the number that you would really be that supposed to end up. This is why im not really that buying with this kind of idea or situation on which you could actually be able to do it. As for online dice games then we do know that this is something that cant really be controlled. House do always win at the end and its really that designed for someone to lose up in the long run. This is why you shouldnt really be that making yourself that delusional on the moment or time that you do play gambling specially on casino based type then there's no way that you could really be able to alter out results or manipulate no matter how hard you do try.

The problem that gamblers have is that they think that previous game results can be used for predicting the next game result. That's not true and you mentioned that correctly but for a moment I didn't understand what you mean by throwing softer or harder because I was thinking about provably fair dice game instead of real dice.
Btw people who think that by throwing softer or harder they have control of the result, are trolling or bluffing.
Backgammon is a very popular game in my country and when I was a kid, during playing this game, I also thought that I could do 6x6 by controlling the power of my hands. Our brain thinks that if we rolled the dice what we wanted before, if we repeat the movement with the same force, we will get the same result, that's why we have an illusion of control.

I've always fell for that and chose games that gave me some sort of control, while avoiding those that didn't.

For instance, poker gives you real control, but there are games where you have choices that make you feel like you're in control, for instance you can play slots like normal or pay more to try the bonus, but that bonus roll, although it has higher rewards, also costs more, so you pay double to double your chance to win, there's no control there just choices.

It should be said that it is possible to achieve such skills only in a physical casino and such skills cannot be applied in an online casino. All our online casino skills come down to how long to hold your finger on the button before throwing.

Talking about dice, if we throw the dice manually then surely we do get an illusion that a certain type of throwing action might get us the desired number.
But in case of online gambling, rolling dice is just the same every time because we are just clicking a button.
Yet somehow our brain identifies a random pattern and we get an illusion that the next number will be within a certain range.
It's strange and funny at the same time and eventually we fail the bet and keep trying again and again just to satisfy our illusion.

I agree with that. The illusion of control often has a lot to do with people's superstitious beliefs. You will often find people saying that certain days in the week, certain hours of the day, or a certain month in a year are lucky for them and they only gamble or do things in those times so that their gambling or other works tend to become successful. I don't know where these thoughts come from in people's minds, but I find this being completely foolish and someone with sanity shouldn't think this way.

The dice example is also correct, we used to play dice among friends when we were younger, and some people used to believe that if they moved the dice a bit longer, they would tend to get more sixes, lol. I don't see any logic in this, but since they had this belief, they used to do it all the time and sometimes it would happen coincidentally.

Yes, usually such a hunch or feeling occurs or is felt when we are involved in a type of casino game that is random, such as dice or plinko that you mentioned or in essence which is a type of game that really cannot be known about which choice can result in a win or which can prevent us from losing. And from the hunch that you feel from the experience that you have experienced, I think it is a good hunch that directs you to prevention such as feeling that if you continue the session at that time then you will lose all capital or lose the amount of winnings that you have previously obtained. In conclusion, this hunch can direct a gambler to two situations, namely between joy or regret.

My reference is on a physical note, having played and gambled lightly with group of friends and family, I've observed that the dice game can be manipulated by an experienced player. I play with my dad and lose all the time. Also his friends praises him for his near perfection in throwing the die and always bets in favor of him when there's an opponent. He roles it slightly before throwing it and getting good numbers in a twin die game is a habit.

It looks so much like manipulation to me witnessing it, but it's clearly a testimony of his experience from long term involvement in dice games.

Is this really possible? I’m only watching this on movies specifically god of gambler( a Chinese movie) but I’m doubtful if this is possible in real life since dice edge is smooth which means it’s very hard to control the roll once thrown.

Besides, the only dice game that I knew which is available in physical casino is Craps that involves throwing but most of the time they already have machine to throw it automatically.

Can you provide reference on this claim? I’m interested about the trick they are using to land an accurate count on dice throw. This is useful on snake and ladders game. LoL 

Someone in any case will have plenty of time and desire to learn various tricks in gambling. In any field there are people who can do what others can not do. Therefore, I do not doubt that in the world there are people capable of throwing the necessary combination in the dice. Even if not the first time, but they will do it. If you compare the experience of such a person with the average gambler, he will clearly have an advantage and the illusion of control will be his opponent.

After reading your answer I remembered that I had actually heard about dice throwing techniques: You let the dice slide or fall so that it turns a certain side up. When using two dice, you can use one as a stop for the other. An experienced player can perform such throws in such a way that it will be difficult to notice.
There was also a man named Loriggio "the dice dominator", who could throw dice in such a way that it looked normal, but they landed in the right combination. This is achieved by studying how the dice fly in the air and controlling each stage of the throw.
But I can't imagine how much training it takes to perform such a thing with dice.

As far as i know i don't think it is possible to roll a dice in a non random way.

It is just so difficult to predict the chaotic trajectory that ot is basically random.

Anyone claiming they can do it is probably selling you something

I would like to talk about the Dice games, for the physical ones which I am always a part of, there are people who are very good in throwing it and getting very good counts and they play it well also, and i think such expertise comes with experience and desire for excellence in it. I cannot say so for casino-based dice games since the outcome is based on the algorithms of the casino, so it is purely based on probability as compared to the physical ones which a player who is very good knows how to organize the dice properly to get good outputs when thrown.

In an open gambling sphere, someone who is very good in dice can win consecutively since he is very good in throwing the dice and can manipulate the game to a large extent with the success of his throws.

Some few time of success also do add to the reason some gamblers still stay too long in the illusion of thinking they can literally influence the results well enough only to find out later how much of folly they were doing to their selves at all most every point they were nurturing such taught. Sometimes until there's a first hand experience, there may never be a true understanding as to the fact things don go the way we think they should rather they go they way they aught to and for the casinos they go the way they have been programmed to go at every point.

Not only those people actually  but people who are used to believing in they are expert when it comes to prediction though we can still say that  most of the people that has alot of winning spree and minimal loss consider themselves to be expert in every predictions they make thus taking most of their prediction to yield win outcomes gives them the kind of thinking about beeing in control .
However, this kind of people get wrecked easily once they start facing loss continuously imo.. they wouldn't take break thinking of getting back on track sooner than later until they get wrecked

Those actions or decisions usually are taken with games which allow gamblers to have management on the risk they are taking and change it whenever they please, it comes to mind games like Plinko and dices, in which one can chance both the wager and the risk when we feel like it is appropriate.
People have hunches or feelings when they are having either a winning or a losing spree, they believe they next roll is going to be different so they heavily change the wager to avoid losing or to win an important amount of money. That is another example of illusion of control, which applies to session which started with a very good or a very bad streak.
In my case, I have had sessions which start with very good performances and then I have the "hunch" I was going to start to lose money, so I start to decrease my wager as low as possible. It is all one's own illusion built by our own desire to earn as much money in the shortest period of time,: greed 

Yes, it really happens to a gambler including myself who sometimes feels that the action or decision I choose is the most appropriate to produce a win, or a softer dice roll is more likely to produce a win, but in any case it is actually something else outside the result, or not too related to the result, because if it turns out that your action or decision really produces a win then it is a win that comes because of luck that comes at the right time especially when we are talking about the type of casino game that is random.

So try not to get too carried away by the atmosphere, make sure that you apply limits to your expectations of winning, because if not then it is very possible for emotions to take control of you when the results are not as expected.

For the case of online casinos, there may not be as much transparency as see with offline or physical casinos. You just mentioned the issue of online casinos being programmed by the owners of the the game to function the way they may have programmed it. While it is meant to be programmed to favour every user playing the games which I feel should be the case, some programmers might want to reprogram some games to favour certain players. I am just thinking. So, with this considerations, it will be very safe to say that online games have less integrity than the offline or physical ones.

then do you play without any reaction at all? just play and finish, with a flat expression, then why do you play gambling if there is no art that you get? we all know that chasing profit in gambling will be very difficult so it is better to make an exciting game