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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 27, 2024, 02:23:39 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved.

Yeah I understand that feeling of control one usually have over something and it seems like they are dominating every aspect of it,especially in gambling when one place a bet and it's working to their favour and follows the same patterns they feel like super hero over the game and with time the game changes and what's next? so much energy shouldn't be put into this cause it's always a game of lucks.

At first I was quite sure that there were indeed quite a lot of gamblers who cared too much about things that actually didn't make sense to be involved in gambling, such as applying patterns or strategies as you said, usually these thoughts and beliefs arise after they have managed to achieve a number of wins in the first try when applying the pattern or strategy which in fact the wins they got before were nothing more than the result of luck that came at the right time, and in the end having such beliefs in a way will only lead them to emotions, disappointments and various aggressive actions.

Basically the only party who can control the results in gambling especially in the type of casino games is the dealer and no one else, gamblers come without bringing any advantages other than money and face their fate on two possibilities between winning or losing, we will never know what will happen at the end of the session and I think that's very natural because that's how gambling really is.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

This is one of the biggest factors that both draws gamblers in and also keeps them hooked. It is most obvious in slot games where all the graphics, exciting noises and side games are just disguising the fact that every time you "spin" the wheel - you're just triggering a random number algorithm that is designed to pay out at a certain ratio. They even tell you exactly the percentage that you should expect to lose on every single go, often sitting somewhere in 3-5% range. Those side games are a prime example, where they likely calculate the outcomes and things like the "pick the card" to choose an outcome can be presented on the fly - if you were going to win $10 from the side game, the outcome of your card was predetermined before you clicked it.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 27, 2024, 02:23:39 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved.

Yeah I understand that feeling of control one usually have over something and it seems like they are dominating every aspect of it,especially in gambling when one place a bet and it's working to their favour and follows the same patterns they feel like super hero over the game and with time the game changes and what's next? so much energy shouldn't be put into this cause it's always a game of lucks.

Gambling some looks like we can control the result we are getting from gambling. Just like the way op has narrated it of some gamblers think they can control the outcome of a dice by throwing it either softly or hardly to get a better outcome. I used to do this many times untill I knew some sometimes it used to work why sometimes one could get an undesirable outcome which can be seen as bad luck.
This is an illusion but many of us that have been doing it might not really understand that luck is behind most of the dice flipping.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on November 27, 2024, 02:23:39 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved.

Yeah I understand that feeling of control one usually have over something and it seems like they are dominating every aspect of it,especially in gambling when one place a bet and it's working to their favour and follows the same patterns they feel like super hero over the game and with time the game changes and what's next? so much energy shouldn't be put into this cause it's always a game of lucks.

Funny that there's really someone who thinks that they've got such control over their gambling activities, thinking that the strategy and the patterns that they are using are fully working and they'll not going to suffer to any defeats though we all knew that it's impossible to have a continuous winning streaks without experiencing any defeat and with such adrenaline it pushes a gambler to keep playing and the outcome mostly not in their favor.

As gambling is a game of luck and those wise who managed to gain compensation are those who can use their luck and not to allow themselves being greed and aim for the bigger one, though not all but again mostly those who are capable to quit as early as possible.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved.

Yeah I understand that feeling of control one usually have over something and it seems like they are dominating every aspect of it,especially in gambling when one place a bet and it's working to their favour and follows the same patterns they feel like super hero over the game and with time the game changes and what's next? so much energy shouldn't be put into this cause it's always a game of lucks.

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In gambling, we have games that are solely dependent on luck and there are those that also requires some level of skill or experience to increase one’s chances of winning and not to guarantee success. Such games that only requires lucks are the dice games, roulette and slot machines, in these set of games, experience or skills are not required, but purely luck, but when we talk about cars games, soccer predictions or other sports, as well as some other games that provide you with some analytical tools to help give you an advantage to predict the outcomes and thereby increase your chances of winning. While your skills in these games may. It actually guarantee your winning, it may in some way increase your chances, rather than just blindly depending on luck

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The illusion of control is based on magical thinking. In the 20th century, people's thinking was based on the scientific method, at that time most people on the planet believed in the omnipotence of science and eternal scientific and technological progress.

However, in the 21st century, magical thinking replaced the scientific method. People became interested in such concepts as Reality Transurfing, Castaneda's teachings, astrology, shamanism, etc., etc. A person with magical thinking can really have the illusion of control over their gambling bets.

However, a person with a scientific / rational mindset knows that gambling is based on the mathematical theory of probability. It is based on this theory that you need to assess your chances of winning in a game of chance.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

You are right, you know, if player are only wagering with the money they can afford to lose and also have the knowledge that gambling is just based on luck and perhaps just a little bit of skill, then they wouldn't have such deep illusion.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 27, 2024, 07:49:39 AM

Quote from: zuzie on November 26, 2024, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

Agree with your opinion, the beginning of the illusion occurs in a gambler because it is caused by a very high sense of obsession with getting easy and fast wins so that the gambler's mind experiences instability in thinking or can be said as excessive action and gamblers who cannot control the sense of illusion will make many mistakes beyond the limit so that it will cause addiction in a gambler and this must always be considered for all gamblers as much as possible we must be able to control the sense of illusion well and properly if not done then it will be very dangerous for the gambler himself.

Besides that, the will of winning the games will be too bigger and whispering them to keep playing gambling. The illusion will becomes real when they can not control their minds and want to chase the winning from the games. They may break their limitation when their minds thinks that the illusion will comes after this round. They lose control over themselves and keep chasing the winning without think that they are risk more money to playing gambling and lose that money in the end of their gambling activity.

Yes, of course, high illusions will greatly affect the gambler's mind that victory is in sight and he cannot think logically that victory in playing is very difficult to obtain and cannot be predicted easily.
High illusions in the mind of a gambler will appear when he sees that the gambling game is very easy to play and he dares to bet in a very large amount of money or with other factors such as seeing the victory of other gamblers and he is sure that he will also get the victory based on high illusions and cannot be controlled properly.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 27, 2024, 07:49:39 AM

Quote from: zuzie on November 26, 2024, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

Agree with your opinion, the beginning of the illusion occurs in a gambler because it is caused by a very high sense of obsession with getting easy and fast wins so that the gambler's mind experiences instability in thinking or can be said as excessive action and gamblers who cannot control the sense of illusion will make many mistakes beyond the limit so that it will cause addiction in a gambler and this must always be considered for all gamblers as much as possible we must be able to control the sense of illusion well and properly if not done then it will be very dangerous for the gambler himself.

Besides that, the will of winning the games will be too bigger and whispering them to keep playing gambling. The illusion will becomes real when they can not control their minds and want to chase the winning from the games. They may break their limitation when their minds thinks that the illusion will comes after this round. They lose control over themselves and keep chasing the winning without think that they are risk more money to playing gambling and lose that money in the end of their gambling activity.

With those kind of voices into your mind then it will really be that something that would be pushing you out of your limits on which this is something not really that recommended specially when dealing up with gambling.
Those inner voices will really be that telling you to play even more and having those kind of thoughts that you will be able to recover your loses but eventually it will really be that making even more worst.
This is why its really that important at least you do really know on what you are currently doing. The main issue for most people is that on the moment that they are really that getting blinded with greed then
they do really forgot about being responsible or simply forgot on what are the things that they should really be that reacting into.

To those who had been those set limits before they do play but once that emotions do able to kick in then this is the moment that they will really be that gradually go far into those limits
and will really be tolerating out their greed that they are currently experiencing because if you arent that good when it comes to control then you will definitely fail
on sticking into those limits that you had put up earlier.

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Quote from: zuzie on November 26, 2024, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

Agree with your opinion, the beginning of the illusion occurs in a gambler because it is caused by a very high sense of obsession with getting easy and fast wins so that the gambler's mind experiences instability in thinking or can be said as excessive action and gamblers who cannot control the sense of illusion will make many mistakes beyond the limit so that it will cause addiction in a gambler and this must always be considered for all gamblers as much as possible we must be able to control the sense of illusion well and properly if not done then it will be very dangerous for the gambler himself.

Besides that, the will of winning the games will be too bigger and whispering them to keep playing gambling. The illusion will becomes real when they can not control their minds and want to chase the winning from the games. They may break their limitation when their minds thinks that the illusion will comes after this round. They lose control over themselves and keep chasing the winning without think that they are risk more money to playing gambling and lose that money in the end of their gambling activity.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on November 26, 2024, 09:19:16 PM

As far as I understand, the illusion of control is most often understood as a player's error or the desire to predict the outcome of the next random event or series of random events based on previous events. This is considered a mistake, but many players believe in it and it is not completely meaningless. If we talk about random processes, then such a strategy can be based on a return to the mean. The idea of cold and hot slot machines is based on the same pattern. However, in this strategy, much depends on the nuances of the game. It is important that the results of the game are truly random, and the winnings are more or less evenly distributed.

As far as I'm aware all machines that do any kind of gambling activity must be checked to ensure they are completely random.

Of course when something odd happens people will start creating all these hypothesis, but those are all just in their minds...

The machines create random patterns and our human brains make stories out of that random noise... that's just how it is...

Some people believe that if I throw a dice and it lands on six, then the next throw will not be six.... that's just wrong, each throw has 1/6 chances. Getting two sixes for example would be 1/36 chances. That's it.

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As far as I understand, the illusion of control is most often understood as a player's error or the desire to predict the outcome of the next random event or series of random events based on previous events. This is considered a mistake, but many players believe in it and it is not completely meaningless. If we talk about random processes, then such a strategy can be based on a return to the mean. The idea of cold and hot slot machines is based on the same pattern. However, in this strategy, much depends on the nuances of the game. It is important that the results of the game are truly random, and the winnings are more or less evenly distributed.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

Agree with your opinion, the beginning of the illusion occurs in a gambler because it is caused by a very high sense of obsession with getting easy and fast wins so that the gambler's mind experiences instability in thinking or can be said as excessive action and gamblers who cannot control the sense of illusion will make many mistakes beyond the limit so that it will cause addiction in a gambler and this must always be considered for all gamblers as much as possible we must be able to control the sense of illusion well and properly if not done then it will be very dangerous for the gambler himself.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 07, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

It's just another phenomenon that gamblers often assumes that they have some control over the outcome of their bets especially if they have been doing it for a while even though every time is just purely random there's no skill involved. Take dice for an example we might assume that we can control and influence the result of it by throwing softer or harder or in anyway that our brain recognize a pattern and keep tells us it's a way to win the game. So let's discuss about it.

Actually, I think in this case, although it seems to be an illusion because it is felt that gamblers can control themselves, I actually highlight this kind of action as a way to make them not feel guilty about themselves who do gamble but do not want to be considered as someone who does violate the rules that he created including the financial problems they face because of gambling that is done without regard to control.

This kind of thing if we look at the situation on the ground, especially for the area I live in now, is indeed quite rampant, it's just that when the ego is bigger and the naive nature is more dominant, they don't want to admit that they are now in big trouble because of the gambling that continues to eat away at them.

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Quote from: Altryist on November 26, 2024, 08:24:46 AM

Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

Gambling is very dependent on luck, in a game like dice or slots, almost nothing depends on the player. You can think that this is not so and try, as you say, to roll the dice more gently, or I don’t know, maybe put on your favorite shirt, or a bracelet that you think brings you luck, but all this does not matter and will only create the illusion of luck for the player. But if this happens one day so that the player is lucky to win, then he will use this the next time he plays.

Yes, that's what it means, it doesn't mean that we will all continue to lose, but in the type of luck-based games the risk is much greater in the sense that defeat will definitely occur much more often than victory, so that's why many people say to be careful with the type of casino game, because you are gambling on the advantage of the dealer, or your enemy is the dealer who creates and organizes all the games provided. On the other hand, you have also said something true that any method believed by a gambler involved in the type of casino game is not realistic and will not be able to influence the results, in the end it is still like the main point I said that the point is you will only win when luck comes, so don't be too excessive in responding to victory, that's all.

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It is kind of pacifying ourselves, because we need to accept whatever the result. If it's a success, we need something to accomplish the win. Maybe when we've handled it in a smooth way and we've won, that will get attached to our mind as the reason for the win. Whenever we're in a continuous loss and if by chance we make a smooth roll and we win that roll, the credit goes to the smooth handling. This is just a coincidence, but our minds always want reason for the win. Some take it as their luck, whereas people with different thoughts have different views.

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I think it's psychological. And it's always there in life. For example, when I have a good start to the day, I believe that the whole day will be good. For example, when I spread positive thoughts to the universe, I believe that the universe will give me positive feedback. I don't know if this is an illusion. But I can make life meaningful when I do that. When I gamble, I don't behave in a special way. But I pay attention to statistics. Maybe statistics have become an illusion for me. I don't know what I'm going through. Cheesy

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It is worth pointing out, that illusion of control usually appears when the gambler is having a winning spree and good luck in on his side, to the point they are able to withdraw a significant amount of money before continuing to gamble for the rest of their session.As we know, the illusion will sooner or later be broken by the laws of chances kicking in and making the gambler to start losing money at a very fast pace, leading to losses.

Also, I have seen people in this community and in other places on the internet to talk about "charms" or luck amulets which alledgedly helps them to have good luck during their sessions, that is part of the same illusion of control. They gaslight themselves on following patterns which actually do not exist by trying to correlate their good or bad luck to things around happening to them. If a very superstitious gambler have very good luck gambling on Tuesday and very bad luck gambling the next day, he will quit gambling on Wednesdays and only gamble on Tuesdays from that day on.

Beaides of the silliness we could find of that kind of behavior, it is certainly interesting how the mind of one could push us to rationalize something which we already know it is outside our control.

Absolutely true. People who think they can control the outcome of their gambling are those who have high confidence or feeling lucky that they’ll eventually win when in reality, as long as it’s gambling, everything is out of your control. No matter what kind of game is that, even sports betting, the outcome will always be out of control since gambling in general is uncertain.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM

In my opinion, this illusion occurs because of the obsession in a gambler towards winning, it makes sense considering that when someone is obsessed with something, they will usually always think of various ways that they feel can influence the results, such as the scenario of throwing the dice more gently as you said, even though it is clear that in a type of luck-based game there is no way to control the results in the game, the point is that it is very simple to say that victory will only come or will only happen when luck comes even if you gamble blindly.

If any gambler made the big money in the gambling site,the other gamblers will get motivated positively.So they started to play the gambling by the illusion of making big money in the gambling site.But the key factor in this was the gambling will not give you money until you become a master of that game.To become a master,the gambler should loss huge time and money to learn the game completely.If he became a gambling addicted person,he never win the money in the upcoming games.Instead he should be very stable after many losses in the gambling.This way of playing without addiction only give money at the end of the day to gamblers.

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