Topic: Information und News für Cryptopia Users ! - page 2. (Read 9154 times)

Das FBI hat bisher 17 Bitcoin aus dem Hack irgendwie sichergestellt

Es gibt jetzt ein großes Update über Cryptopia, jedenfalls sehe ich es so.

The first distribution will be the Interim distribution to Qualifying Bitcoin and Dogecoin account holders which is expected to be made within the next 3 months
After the first distribution we will follow the approved process including giving notice of any cut-off dates before distributing to account holders the remaining Bitcoin, Dogecoin and all other cryptocurrencies of sufficient value by the end of 2024.

- https://cryptopia.zendesk.com
 =≥ hier habe ich mich schon angemelet

- https://portal.cryptopia.co.nz/
 =≥ hier war ich jetzt noch nicht...ich sehs mir Mal an, sollte ich mich da auch anmelden bzw war das
 mein alter Account(bei cryptopia)?

-Wegen PM Betreff "2fa"
 = Ticket Grund oder (2fa Reset)?

Ok das ist schon mal gut das du dort die ganzen Sachen soweit es möglich ist abgeändert hast.
Aufjedenfall die Seite nicht mehr benutzen oder irgendwas machen was die schreiben.

Das mit dem Claims Portal Support ( https://cryptopia.zendesk.com ) solltest du aufjedenfall machen.
Nur als kleine Anmerkung die Support Seite ist eine eigene Seite und der Login dort hat nichts mit dem Login auf der Claims Portal Seite ( https://portal.cryptopia.co.nz/ ) zu tun.

Bist du auf dem Claims Portal eigentlich auch schon angemeldet bzw registriert ?

Auf jeden fall habe ich die ganzen Sachen meinem kontakt geschrieben und sobald ich was weiß werde ich dir Schreiben wie und was zu tun ist.

Jup, habe nach dem ich's bemerkt habe, schon alle Daten auf cogito abgeändert, durch den Ausweis haben Sie zwar noch alles außer Handy Nr.,
Keine Ahnung ob die erst Eingabe der Daten für die noch abrufbar ist.

Auf der Seite werde ich nichts mehr machen und habe auch alle bisherigen Mails im Spam Ordner, alle weiteren kommenden habe ich geblockt bzw. auch als Spam gemeldet.

Das mit dem Claims Portal Support werde ich noch machen, Ty für den Tipp

Ok also ich habe deine PM bekommen und werde natürlich die sache (Zusammengefasst) weiterleiten an meinen Kontakt.

Bezüglich Principalityofcogito.com würde ich empfehlen dort nichts mehr zu machen oder irgendwelche weitere details angeben.
Eventuell wenn möglich dort auch alle daten löschen oder ändern so das die damit nichts mehr anstellen können.
Behalte aber die Emails von denen das könnte eventuell noch hilfreich sein wenn rechtlich schritte gegen die eingeleitet werden sollten.

Werde dir hier wieder schreiben und in einer PM wenn ich eine Rückmeldung bekommen habe und was in deinem Fall das beste ist was man machen sollte.
Auch solltest du dich beim Claims Portal Support registrieren https://cryptopia.zendesk.com falls du das noch nicht gemacht hast.
Das ist der Support und die kommunikation für die Cryptopia Liquidation.

Danke Lafu.
Wegen 2tens:

Principalityofcogito.com/cryptopiaform
-≥  Name, Adresse,Telefonnummer, "Cogito Username", cryptopia Email, coin typ Anzahl und ca. Gesamtwert

Und auf der Seite von Cogito selbst, angemeldet plus:
-≥ Bild: Personalausweis vorne/hinten, Bild von meinem Gesicht: links, vorne, rechts


Habe noch E-Mails von cryptopia gefunden, habe auch meinen Usernamen als auch Zugriff auf die damals verwendete E-Mail Adresse.
Habe mich baiten lassen, hatte lange mit crypto nichts mehr zu tun und aufgrund meiner priv. Situation,
wäre das Geld nett gewesen...

Ich schreibe dir per PM alles weitere, danke schonmal.

Erstmal Willkommen hier im Forum und Deutschen Bereich Doodaroo !

1. Was meinst du mit Schadensbegrenzung ?
2. Welche Daten/Bilder etc. hast du wo genau angegeben ?

Sofern du die letzte Email von Cryptopia bekommen hast solltest du auch alle anderen Emails von Cryptopia bekommen haben.
Das trifft nur zu wenn du noch andere Coins , Bitcoin ,Litecoin , Dogecoin oder andere Coins dort hattest nachdem Cryptopia in Liquidation ging.
Wenn es nur um die gehackten Coins geht habe ich keine Ahnung wie es sich hier verhält.

Was hattest du denn für einen Usernamen bei Cryptopia , der müsste eigentlich in einer deiner Emails die damals von Cryptopia bekommen hast drin stehen.
Zum Beispiel die Registrierungs Email von Cryptopia oder wenn Transaktionen gemacht wurden solltest du immer eine Email bekommen haben.

Du kannst mir gerne eine PM mit der Email von dir und alle details an die du dich noch erinnern kannst was mit deinem Account zu tun hatte schreiben.
Werde diese dann meinem Kontakt beim Support schreiben und schauen was da los ist und was eventuell machbar ist.
Versprechen kann und will ich natürlich nichts ob es was bringt.

Hi, Ich VOLLIDIOT habe tatsächlich meine Daten/Bilder etc. angegeben...heute!
bis ich jetzt diese Mail bekommen habe.

Was kann man als Schadensbegrenzung tun?
Ist mein erstes mal 😧.

Entschuldigt, dass ich gerade etwas voreilig schreibe, ich werde hier noch weiter lesen...
Ich hoffe damit kann ich die Lösung meines Problems etwas beschleunigen.
PM, alles, Hauptsache Ich kann irgendetwas dagegen machen.

PS:habe noch Zugriff auf meine damalige E-Mail, Username keine Ahnung ob ich den noch finde

Hi mv1986 , ich kann versuchen eventuell dir (wenn es noch möglich ist zu helfen) du kannst mir in einer PM deinen damals verwendeten Cryptopia Username,
und die dazugehörige registrierte Email Adresse schreiben , diese Infos gebe ich dann meinem Kontakt beim Cryptopia Claims Support .
Dieser kann mir dann sagen was zu tun ist , habe das mit schon so einigen Usern hier in der vergangenheit erfolgreich gemacht.

Meistens läuft es darauf aus das du dich beim Claims Portal Support registrieren musst ( https://cryptopia.zendesk.com/ )und es dann dort alles weitere geklärt wird.
Es waren auch schon viele dabei die keinen Zugriff auf die damals verwendete Email hatten oder die eine neue hatten.

Kann dir die Hilfe nur anbieten , versprechen kann ich natürlich nichts aber zu 80% hat es meistens geklappt.

Ich bin mir mittlerweile nicht mehr ganz sicher was als legitim angesehen werden kann, aber denke das dieses Mail von Cryptopia doch echt sein kann, eventuell kann es Lafu auch noch bestätigen.

Bis zum Ende des Jahres soll es anscheinend jetzt abgewickelt werden.

Dear Cryptopia Account Holder,

We are emailing you directly to provide an update on the liquidation plans for 2024. This update addresses:
Communications from third parties (Epic Trust Limited, the Cogito Metaverse, Principality of Cogito) and assigning/selling your claim.
The use of Cryptopia's confidential information.
The intended timeline for distribution.
An update on the claims process.
1. Communications from third parties (Epic Trust Limited, the Cogito Metaverse, Principality of Cogito) and assigning/selling your claim
We understand that third parties have contacted account holders offering to purchase their Cryptopia entitlements in exchange for an obscure digital currency. This agreement requires the assignment or transfer of coins to that third party. 

We have been contacted by a number of account holders who have been confused about whether these third parties are related to the liquidators, Grant Thornton or Cryptopia.  These communications are not from the Liquidators and Account Holders should be very wary and cautious of any unsolicited third-party offers, especially from any named above.

We would like to remind all account holders that the only channels that we use to communicate with account holders about the Cryptopia liquidation are:
• Our website, https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/
• Emails sent from [email protected]
• The claims portal being https://portal.cryptopia.co.nz/
• Our Zendesk customer support portal being https://cryptopia.zendesk.com/

If you are unsure whether a communication is an official communication from us, please raise a helpdesk ticket in Zendesk. 

Assignment of claims
The sale and purchase agreement offered by these third parties mentioned includes the assignment of coins to that third party.

Under the historic terms and conditions of Cryptopia we note that clause 18.2(b) of Cryptopia's terms and conditions says that account holders “may not assign, transfer and/or subcontract any of your rights or obligations under these Terms.” Gendall J relied on these terms and conditions in the liquidators' first directions application in 2020 when he decided that the cryptocurrencies were held on trust by Cryptopia for the benefit of account holders.

Our position is that the Terms and Conditions remain in force, meaning that any assignment or transfer (including by sale) of an account holder's entitlements is not binding or enforceable. 

In regards to the assignment of claims we note that Epic Trust Limited, a Montenegrin company claiming to act for the Principality of Cogito, applied to be joined to the liquidators' directions application.  The Court declined Epic Trust Limited's application to be joined as a party.  The Court's judgment suggests that it is possible that:
The sale and purchase agreements might not be valid, because they do not have legal signatures on them and because the agreement is subject to the laws of the Principality of Cogito, a metaverse that is not a foreign jurisdiction recognised by the Court.
Account holders might not be able to assign their Cryptopia entitlements because of clause 18.2(b) of the terms and conditions.
We recommend that any account holders who have entered into a sale and purchase or assignment agreement with any of these third parties seek independent legal advice.

The full judgment regarding the joinder application can be read here:  Epic Trust Limited v Ruscoe [2024] NZHC 21 (24 January 2024)

2. Use of confidential Cryptopia information
In 2020, Victor Cattermole obtained confidential Cryptopia information from the High Court.  He was ordered to delete and return the information. He was held in contempt of court for breaches of Court orders relating to the information and gave undertakings to the Court intended to protect that information.

The liquidators believe that third parties related to him or controlled by him are using the confidential information to contact Cryptopia account holders.  Please be assured that we are taking appropriate steps to protect Cryptopia's and account holders' confidential information.
 
Relating to this matter the judgment and recent interim injunction orders against Mr Cattermole, Epic Trust Ltd and others can be read here:
• Judgement - Ruscoe & Others v Epic Trust Ltd & Others [2024] NZHC 165
• Interim Orders - Ruscoe & Others v Epic Trust Ltd & Others [2024] NZHC 165

Account holders should be very cautious about providing your Cryptopia account information to third parties.  The claims portal has been designed to verify each account holder's account ownership and identity, and it is very important that this sensitive process is protected. 

3. Intended timeline for distribution
We remain hopeful that most distributable assets will be returned to eligible account holders by the end of the 2024 year, but the timeframe for distribution will depend on when and what directions the Court makes following the directions hearing in November 2023. 

We encourage account holders to read the full submissions to understand the liquidators' intended distribution process: https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-2-november-2023/
 
We have also provided a brief summary below.  Please note that the Court has not made any orders yet.

Directions Application – the Court heard the liquidators' application for directions about distributing the cryptocurrency to account holders in November 2023.  The application was about:
How the cryptocurrency should be distributed to account holders.
How the costs associated with administering the cryptocurrency trusts should be fairly spread across each coin type and each account holder.
That, after giving reasonable notice, the liquidators are not required to distribute cryptocurrency to account holders who do not register in or complete the Claims process despite the liquidators' best efforts.
Interim Distributions – the first distributions planned by the liquidators will be to account holders with a DOGE or Bitcoin balance of higher than a certain threshold.  The distribution will be of 50% of those account holders' cryptocurrency entitlement. 

Soft Cut Off Date – after the Court has made a decision on the directions application, the liquidators will give account holders notice of the Soft Cut Off Date. After the Soft Cut Off Date, any cryptocurrency belonging to account holders who have not registered in the claims portal will be considered "unclaimed holdings". The liquidators will use the unclaimed holdings to pay for the costs of trust administration, in the first instance. 

Phase 1 Distribution – all account holders who have a balance higher than their initial allocation of trust administration costs and who have completed the claims process will receive a distribution of their entitlement (with a deduction for trust administration costs, if there are any costs left after using the unclaimed holdings).  Subject to receiving legal directions this would occur after the interim distribution currently anticipated Q3 /Q4 2024.

Final Cut-Off Date -  the liquidators will give account holders notice that all account holders who have registered must complete the claims process.  After the Final Cut-Off Date, any cryptocurrency belonging to account holders who have not completed the claims portal will be considered 'unclaimed holdings".  The liquidators will use the unclaimed holdings to pay for the costs of trust administration. 

Phase 2 Distribution – the liquidators will recalculate how much of the unclaimed holdings can be used to pay for trust administration costs.  Account holders may receive a second distribution of cryptocurrency to refund them for all or part of the trust administration costs deducted in the Phase 1 distribution. 

We have asked the court to permit us to take no steps to distribute Cryptocurrency that has no value and is unable to contribute to the costs of trust administration.

The diagram below was attached to the submissions filed as part of the liquidators' directions application in November 2023.  It sets out a suggested timeline for distribution of cryptocurrency to eligible account holders: 

4. Claim process update
The Liquidators are advanced in the development of stage ‘4a.’ of the claims process:
#   Process   Details
1   Claims registration   Allows the registration of account holders' details
2   Identity verification   Verifies account holders' identities to the necessary verification standard
3   Balance acceptance   Provides account holders the opportunity to agree that Cryptopia records represent amounts due
4a   Asset Distribution – Wallet Address Collection   Allows eligible account holders to submit wallet addresses for each balance qualified to participate in Asset distribution
4b   Asset Distribution – Crypto-asset Return   Returns account holders assets proportional to distribution calculation
Wallet Address Collection will be launched for those qualifying and registered Bitcoin and Dogecoin holders in the coming weeks.

General information
As previously communicated to you if you are having trouble with the Claims Portal, please raise a ticket through the Cryptopia Customer Support Portal. This support portal is separate from the claims portal and can be accessed by any account holder, provided they register and click the “Sign Up” button on the page.

Lastly, we remind you that the only official communication from the Liquidators will be sent from the [email protected] email.  We will not send any communications relating to your claim from a different address.  Any communications not sent from this email are not from us and may be scams.

Derzeit ist der Typ ja wirklich wieder aktiv, die letzten zwei Tage gleich zwei neue Mails bekommen, irgendwie habe ich dann doch das Gefühl es steigen darauf doch einige ein sonst würde man ja nicht diesen erhöhten Aufwand betreiben?

Was offizielles (inoffizielles) etc. weißt du derzeit auch nchct?

Ist das aktuelle Mail vermutlich wieder so eine Art abzock Masche wie vor kurzer Zeit?
Derzeit bekommt man so viele Mails (hat wahrscheinlich mit steigendem Bitcoin Preis zu tun), dass es schon Mühsam ist alles genauer durch zu lesen.

Dear Cryptopia Account Holder.

As many of you will know the Cryptopia Exchange was placed into liquidation in May 2019.

We have obtained international legal advice on this and the legal position based on the advice we have is as follows.

1. Prior to the hack and closure of the exchange Cryptopia changed their terms of trade which clarified the relationship between Cryptopia and account holders. The effect of this was confirmed in the High Court ruling in New Zealand in 2020. That ruling states that Account Holders are beneficiaries and each coin type is a separate trust. Effectively making Cryptopia a Trustee.

2. The moment the shareholders of Cryptopia put the company into liquidation a few things changed regarding entitlement and especially in relation to your data. For many of you, you became secured and unsecured creditors. Unsecured for those that had coins stolen in the hack.

3. Under company law in New Zealand a liquidator will provide publically a list of all known creditors, their names, address and the amount they are owed. The liquidator has discretion to remove the names of private individuals but as you will see from the Grant Thornton first liquidators report he has not exercised that right.

4. The High Court order of 2020 was a very bad order for Grant Thornton as it required him to apply Trust Law as a priority over liquidation law. He has failed to do this.

After the judgement in 2020 Mr Cattermole requested a copy of 2 files from the High Court in New Zealand. The High Court staff worked through their internal process and delivered the files to My Cattermole. It is important to note that these files were requested and supplied legitimately. These files were then sent by him to a 3rd party contractor in Europe and from there have been passed on to other parties who are involved in assisting the process of settling Cryptopia accounts. This is normal business practice.


It is very important to note.

1.Grant Thornton did not secure the files when they supplied them to the High Court.

2. Grant Thornton did not request the court to ensure these files were secured by the court.

3. Grant Thornton posted the affidavit, which had the 2 files as referrenced attachments, on their public website.

4. By making their affidavit public, Grant Thornton removed any powers of the court under their rules to protect the files as they were now part of a publically available document, made public by the owner of the document.

Some people have been upset believing their privacy has been breached. The legal advice is that this is not as simple as this. A breach of privacy at its core usually would include your name. In addition to that a privacy breach would need to include enough information that someone could identify you.

So at the core of this is data which includes an email address and a value which the liquidator says is the value of your coins as at the date of his appointment.

After careful analysis by the 3rd parties it is their opinion that the values are fundamentally flawed for a variety of reasons, some as follows.

1. The amounts calculated by the liquidator are his assessment after stolen coins have been removed, and so for any account holder it is impossible to verify.

2. The amounts are based on his calculation of all your coins converted to bitcoin on the day, and then bitcoin converted to New Zealand dollars.

Legal advice is that because Grant Thornton was required and made your address public we were entitled to communicate with you regarding Cryptopia, there is no privacy breach.

As a result of the publicity and the email sent to account holders by Grant Thornton we have had to deal with a large number of requests for copy of any personal data that was released. The legal opinion is that upon people completing the verification process with Cogito, Cogito will provide copy of your data to you. The list of what the items are is as per the list in the liquidators 2nd affidavit on his website.

You may log in to the Cogito website to complete the process to request your data.

Please use this link to submit your new agreement :
principalityofcogito.com/cryptopiaform


Regards

Martin Braine LLB
In House Lawyer
Principality of Cogito

Jedenfalls ist der Typ hartnäckig, habe dieses Wochenende bereits wieder 2 Mails von der Adresse erhalten.
Gehe davon aus diese Mail Adresse kann ich ohne bedenken auf die Spam Liste setzen? Habe es mir jetzt nicht im Detail durchgesehen aber sollte die selbe Mail sein wie hier beschrieben.