Topic: Is 1miau fit for DT? - page 12. (Read 3699 times)

Unfortunately many users use merit, feedback and trust list base on what they like and don't like. But, is 1miau fit for DT? currently I will say YES because this case isn't a big mess.

Removing a positive feedback won't harm the account, adding you to his distrust list won't make you get off from DT as you still have 7 strengths, leaving one more negative feedback to user which previously have 5 negative feedbacks is not necessary, but also not wrong as the user was a troll.

And 1miau is right with what he was saying.


As I don't see whether you paint 1miau's profile or he paint your profile, I'd say you both are still fine and don't deserved to get further action.

I mean you are absolutely right(sarcasm), you harassed me by a neg tag and then mocked me several times on different topics, you can't dictate what I can or can't do, you see off topic, trolling? Report them, I have a neck thinner than a strand of hair when it comes to mods.(Ok, just don't go searching for my past dramas regarding that. Lol.)

Since I'm not the type to retaliate with neg trust, or use the neg trust whenever I fail to win an argument, instead I would use any chance I can get to unmask the truth.

You got scared when I complained about you to Vod? So cute that you are only afraid of other DTs, it's called survival of the fittest, *weasels must be afraid of hyenas.😉

*= I say that because of your avatar and it also fits your behaviour towards forum members, besides I'm saying everything to your face, not in your trust page.

Now go get your toughest thugs, I'm no longer a kid you could gang bully him, anymore. I will be waiting here or anywhere.
Btw, quit threatening me with "you will now get more tags" for what? Which one of the DT members I harassed continuously without any reason?  I have proof for all my claims.

The big issue you fail to understand here is that your action has no Merit at all.
All you show is how butthurt you are and you are playing the victim card, how unfair "mean DT" would treat you.
You are at -6 Trust for a reason and no one likes your malicious behaviour.
But you gave the perfect explanation for "trolling" and "derailing the discussion" by stirring shit against certain members who are against your bullshit here. It's very sad that marlboroza is not around anymore. But we have some other members to keep trolls like you in check.
So, keep digging your troll hole.

It looks like you are the one confused here, and you are the one taking my quotes from different topics and post them on another topic just to stay relevant.  Of course I laugh when someone says "exemplary, fair and decent" about a trust abuser like you, remember you started it first, and I have all the rights to remind everyone about people like you when there is a chance and when the subject of discussion is relevant.

Btw, you might wanna re-read the posts above yours, I was never talking to you, but to OP, because you never had any credibility to begin with, for me to say you have lost it.

You are so childish and abusive that after Learn Bitcoin posted to say something negative about me, you immediately interpreted it as a warrant and quoted it as a justifiable reason to keep harassing me.

If this topic is about you, then I have all the rights to be here. Looks like you are constantly after finding any excuses to just show it to everyone that you were right in tagging me, that shows how insecure you are about your own decisions.

You are completely delusional, if you think exclusions are something controversial. They happen all day. Of course you are just here for stirring shit now. Thanks for proving once again that you are a delusional, DT hating troll.
Or are you begging for an additional negative trust?

Do you read my posts (or even remember your own posts), where you have stirred shit repeatedly without any context in someone else's topic? Or are you not capable of noticing that because you are a habitual troll?
You are just here to derail topics, called "trolling"!

I've said that nowhere but its no surprise, that you are making things up.
Thanks for proving once again, that you are a habitual liar!

Yes, trolls should remain isolated, they contribute nothing to the forum (except a bit traffic).

Of course they won't exclude him, after all why would anyone remove the butter from their bread? Or why would they cut their own nails which is useful to do the scratching ? Wait till his buddies wake up and visit this thread to feel the full force of "kissing the ring".

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Since I have felt a few indirect accusations here, would you care to show my troll posts and lies deserving neg feed back?  Unless you consider providing facts about people's behaviour as trolling. Otherwise you won't find it.

I guess you lost your credibility the moment you said if he was a political ally you woudn't care for his abusive behaviour. Nevertheless, abusers should remain isolated because they are indeed like a virus.

There you go again with your anger management issues, I am not going to reply to the same stuff again, there is enough evidence that you are trying to punish everyone who disagree with your political b.s, you just admitted it.

If other DT members think that someone like you deserves to still be in DT, you will, if not you will eventually be removed, I am not imposing my point view of anyone, just stating facts which you could not deny because they all are still there for everyone to see.

Now if you would excuse me, I am not going to reply to any of your attacks because I have no time for that.

The "arguments" of you both are so similar, where you try to silence me for simply saying the truth.  
That you can't deal with it is not my problem but luckily, it's not your issue what I'm sending for feedbacks or which members I'm adding on my distrust list.
That's how DT works, or did you miss it?


Yes, let the people decide what's more shady:
- that I've added you to my distrust list due to your disgusting, inappropriate islamist propaganda and the misleading accusations against me
- that you are stirring shit here because you are butthurt that I've added you on my distrust list


I'm very outspoken about this, and I've already stated that way back, when we had our disagreement that I disapprove your behaviour but for whatever reason, you are just coming up with it right now.
You can cry now, make mad accusations against me but you are the one who's stirring shit here because you can't get over it that I've added you on my distrust list.
Thanks once again for proving me right that I made the right call to add you there.
I was reconsidering my distrust entry but thanks to your accusation post, I dodged a bulled.  


We all know how this is intended by bringing up some uproven speculations: people will read it, get a wrong impression and what will stick in the end is only the (unproven) accusation.
This is just shady but that's totally something I've expected coming from you.
I can come up with a similarly stupid example, accusing you of something, what "could" happen and that would just help no one.


I've already said that I've distrusted you after your inappropriate reaction to my criticism of your islamist propaganda.
Deal with it and get some more thick skin.


Once again, just empty lies.
I don't care if someone distrusts or trusts me.
If I would care about everyone's trust list inclusions, where I'm getting trusted / distrusted like you do here obviously, we would have endless drama here on the forum.  


Wow, crybaby, "a good friend", we are on the internet after all.
Grow a thicker skin.  


Yes, sure, I'm having some anger management issues, not the one who's creating a topic in reputation with several misleading false claims against me like you did when whe had our disagreement and that's why I've added you on my distrust list.
But if you want to have a big drama here, I'll open a topic as well and we'll have a nice (but very unnecessary) shitshow.

hmm, I don't think he meant that I was a part of the discussion between the two of them, he was just trying to "justify" why he left that feedback, which was a waste of time and effort because I did not contest the feedback itself, I only questioned the timing.

In fact, If you check his first feedback


He just copied the same exact link from marlboroza feedback, then he deleted it and posted a new feedback with the original (not archived) post, I think right after the political discussion he had he was just rushing to punish everyone who disagreed with him, I am glad he doesn't have more power than that or else at moments of anger he could have caused some serious damage to everyone who disagrees with him.


I wouldn't, because I have been on his trust list since 2019, we interacted a dozen times, and I won't even count the number of PMs we had back and forth, I was always nice to him and he was always nice to me, he even invited me to the German section on many occasions, we always shared that "merit race" memories,  I don't believe much in "online friendship" however, if there is such a thing, then 1miau and I were actually "online friends", but none of that made any difference to him the moment he discovered that I disagree with his political views, so if he did that to someone like me whom he knows and had a good relationship with, I can only imagine what he would do to someone he doesn't know or someone he dislikes for other reasons.

On a side but related note, @digaran, this isn't the perfect thread for your issues with 1miau which fall outside of the context of this thread, I am not going to discuss the legitimacy of the feedback he left you, it's only the timing that matters.



You sure are, it's very clear what you did right after the political disagreement.  



Or, I could expose your incompetence and let everyone decide for themselves.


Ok so now you are gone from "trying to justify" to straight out "lie until they believe you", the only reason you did that was because I happened to disagree with you on a political subject, at least dare to admit it.




I said "could", which is something that has a high probability of happening, the fact that you exclude members because of their political views, tag members right after they disagree with you, and remove positive feedback, suggests that you could at one point start to include members based on the same reasons you remove them.


it is very strange to remove someone you had in there since 2019, and then add them to your distrust list, just right after having a political disagreement. you still don't get it, it's not about me not being on your trust list anymore, it has exactly zero effect on my forum life, you want to make it sound like I am demanding your inclusion as if I created the same topic about everyone who distrusts me or doesn't include me in their list, you are smart enough to understand the basis of this topic but you keep pretending that you don't because you know very well that your political views reflect so hard on the way you use the trust system, you don't want to say it out loud despite actually practicing it, you are just afraid of losing that power and then whenever someone disagree with you on any political subject you won't have any DT power to "punish them".



If I wanted to discuss our personal issue I would have posted all the insults you pointed to me, or the PMs, or how bad I feel about losing someone who I considered a friend, but I am not here to discuss "our personal" issues, I am here to discuss your bad usage of the trust system since that affects the forum as a whole, not just you and I.


I agree, and that's the cause of all this, you have some anger management issues, and you unleash the beast inside of you when people disagree with you, this is something that DT members must not do. if you can't handle disagreements, don't get yourself involved in discussions, it's unrealistic to expect people to agree with you on everything, and when they don't -- try to punish them with every tool at your disposal.

Yes, he should have been tagged way sooner. My bad.
Most of hist posts are Bitcointalk rule violations anyways for "trolling" but since it's not enforced, he thinks he can derail every topic.


So, I should give out tags for every troll here on Bitcointalk even if we don't have any interaction at all?
What a level headed opinion...  

This would end up as a massive shitshow, where trolls will get food left and right.
I'm usually only getting active with trust feedbacks, when I'm getting dragged into a confrontation.
And I believe this is vital to avoid too much drama on the forum.


Well, if you like to get some accusations going, I'll respond that you are brainwashed by islamist propaganda and you have a problem with it that I'm opposing that. You couldn't care less but as we know from islamist extremists, they'll force their believes on others at any price.


If you think, my feedback is worthless, feel free to distrust me.
It's a decentralized system.
That's how DT works.

Also, I'm thinking your judgement is not something I would feel fine to support.
That's why I've distrusted you.
Get over it.


How about backing your claims with some proof, that I would bring "untrustworthy members" into DT2?
Unproven speculations are exactly what we don't need on DT.

What a shady try from you to discredit me with things, where you don't have any proof.


Once again a false claim, like I have seen them quite often from you now, which is disappointing. So, no, your assumptions are already completely fabricated, that your conclusion can't be accurate at all. Do you think you could throw with as much mud as possible and hope that something will stick?
I'm not obsessed with being a DT member at all. I wouldn't care less if you or someone else distrusts me. You can do it, right away, if you feel so. Same like I have distrusted you.

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I'm changing my trust list quite frequently, so you've been in the mix that week. It's not controversial at all. Some DT1 members have a distrust list, where much more members (trolls) are on.
Maybe it's more of a problem, that people feel offended by getting removed from DT? Maybe such people are the bigger issue?
I don't know.

It's really sad to see your misleading suggestions here, like the one I would be adding "untrustworthy members" to DT, which isn't true at all.
It's really sad to see your reaction here now about our personal issue because I believed this was (mostly settled) and was reconsidering to remove you from my distrust list but thanks to this post, this might still be far away.
I feel I'm way too often way too soft on trust issues, giving everyone too much benefit of doubt.
But on the other hand, I don't want to cause too much unnecessary drama because it's just a waste of time.
It's so simple, that everyone can create his own trust list and should have a thicker skin if someone distrusts anyone / doesn't trust anyone anymore.

WOW, cool project.. hmmm, sorry I lost my mind for a second. First of all, thanks for standing up against abuse, but would you be here if he was politically aligned with you? Of course not. When you fight injustice and corruption, you should leave every single biased pieces of yourself outside the door for the ground you are about to enter is sacred and should not be polluted.

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In all of human societies people have had 4 things to measure and evaluate benefits versus loss. Sorry to be so blunt,
1. Their brains.
2. Their hearts.
3. Their pockets.
4. Their gentiles.

Whenever you could ignore 3 and 4, and decide how to live with using 1 and 2, you will win in life.

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DT system here is governed by 3 and 4, and what allows that to continue like this? The answer is: people either divert such situations down there, or they think about their pockets. When somebody doesn't do that, they become a burden for this perfect system of scam, spam and abuse.
The easiest possible solution are labels such as "troll, liar,  harasser, scammer".

Since people are busy all the time, they never bother to read to find the bottom of a case, they just look at the names and switch to their NPC mode, because that's the way how things work here, a free and uncensored forum for discussion my behind, if you don't enforce the right of freedom, there will be no freedom, there will be no advancements because everybody would keep a low profile just to get by.  

That's worse than censoring and restrictions, that's called taming people to your will, making NPCs out of everybody.

Such communities will never succeed and advance.  aka decentralization without any foundation, and what would be the best foundation? Having a sets of rules that must be followed  > whenever you see abuse, speak up so that others could muster the courage and speak their minds.

When the majority stands up against abuse and injustice that's when little weasels get who is the boss, now they think they are the boss since there is no opposition.

You made a multi quote but, as far as I can see, mikeywith isn't part of the duscusion you quoted! Why are you accusing mw of siding with digaran although he didn't even make a simple post to support digaran! And we all know that mw will never be and can't be a friend of digaran.
You are just trying to descredit mw just because he shares the same point of view as digaran. do your best 😉

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63017139



I am not siding with anyone, I am simply questioning your timing, according to the reference you used in your feedback, digaran should have been tagged since 2018, but you only remembered to tag him the moment he disagreed with your political views, had you not found other negative feedback on his profile, what would you do to punish him for disagreeing with you? add him to your distrust list?



Correct, but it seems fine by you, until he disagrees with your political view, no?


You are correct, you could also request that people remove their positive feedback on your profile, you could also disagree with everyone on all politics, it's clear that I am not objecting to that, but you are mixing political views and the trust system, just because I think you are brainwashed by certain media -- it does not mean I think you are untrustworthy.



You are allowed to do all of that, but your behavior makes your feedback worthless, if the moment someone disagrees with you on a political subject you rush to delete your positive feedback, add him to your distrust list, and see if you can leave him negative feedback then that doesn't make you a solid DT member, letting your political feelings get in the way of using the trust system is bad for the forum as a whole.

If you were not a DT member none of that would matter, but given that you are a DT member then everything you do matters, judging by what you did, you will eventually weaken the position of good DT members just because they disagree with your political stands, and the opposite will likely occur, you could very will bring to DT2 untrustworthy members who just happen to share your political points of you.


So you confirm that in 2022 before the political disagreement said member was given a pass despite the fact that according to you


So him being a troll, and having shady dealings deserves a pass but a year later, and the second he disagreed with your political views, he now magically and suddenly becomes worthy of your negative feedback?
 


Unlike you, I am not obsessed with the trust system, your exclusion means exactly nothing to me in itself, it's your behavior, that I personally think will hurt the trust system.


I don't thank people for sending me Merit, I also don't expect anyone to thank me for merit, you seem to have a major misunderstanding of the difference between, feedback , trust list, merit, and one's personal political opinions, I don't, I will continue to merit your good posts when I see them, I will keep the positive feedback because I still think you are to be trusted with trades, I just think you will eventually cause more harm than good to the trust system if you don't change your way of dealing with the system.




It's a lot simpler to ignore other members' political opinions, it's the internet, and you can't curse and insult everyone who disagrees with you, furthermore, you shouldn't use the trust system for your own agenda, I would have respected your exclusion if you had good reasoning on why you think my judgment related to the trust system is bad, but I know your only reason was that we didn't agree on the same points regarding a certain topic that has nothing to do with trust system, which is, a terrible way of dealing with the trust list.

I also don't know what was your ultimate goal by excluding me from your trust list, I would suddenly change my point of view on a conflict that has been going on for 70 years. , I don't hate you 1miau, I still think you are a good person, you just need to grow up and stop mixing things here and there, but until you do, I really think you are not fit for DT.

Auf Wiedersehen.

Interesting that you are siding with digaran, our troll in our recent case, where digaran stirred shit, repeatedly out of nowhere.
Let me quote this here:



Well, looking at digaran's feedback, he's doing that for quite a while now:



And earned his negative trusts.

Regarding your other accusations:

1. I'm allowed to made any requests, if you don't like them, ignore them or report my PMs to the moderation if you think it's a "unsolicited PM". I'm allowed to address your false claims against me and your false claims and your islamist propaganda on P&S board, of course.
You don't even have to agree.

2. I'm allowed to change, or remove any of my trust feedbacks. This isn't controversial at all.

3. Wow, seems like we have to justify every change in our trust list or we'll get bombarded with a thread in Reputation...  

4. Same like 3 but for distrust list

5. I'm allowed to tag any troll and I already gave digaran a pass way back in 2022 when I came over him but didn't bother to "poke" the troll digaran.


I'm always trying to be fair on DT and giving the people the benefit of doubt and I was already considering to remove you from my distrust list, after I even merited one of your posts in our German local board.
Looks like this topic is your "thankful" response...
So after you are slapping here right in my face, I don't feel anymore to reconsider my distrust list entry.  
Thanks for confirming that I did the right thing by adding you to my distrust list and you'll stay there.

There's a simple solution how DT will solve such issues: if you don't like my tags, if you don't like my trust list entries, you can simply distrust me.
It's a decentralited system.
As simple as that.

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63017139

Can you add links to the topics that lead to the "conflict"?

A summary of the thread is quoted below you can skip to my qoute below.

I thought twice before posting this topic, given the good relationship I had with 1miau over the years, but well..

A few weeks ago, I participated in one of the topics on the Politics & Society board, obviously with views that differ from 1miau's, what he did as a retaliation for my and other people's disagreement with his political views.

1- He asked me to remove my positive feedback on his profile because of the political disagreement. (first red flag on his incompetence of being a DT member)  

I responded to him and told him to take it easy, I did not remove the feedback because it has nothing to do with our political disagreement, but despite all that, I just assumed that he was "mad" and the next day he would come to his senses, but I was wrong.

2- The next thing he did, he removed positive feedback he left for another forum member, a member who also commented on the same topic (who also happened to disagree with 1miau's political views.

3- He removed me from his trust list despite being on it since 2019 as far as I remember.

4- He added me to his "distrust" list.

5- He suddenly remembered to tag this user who also happened to disagree with his political views on the same topic, you could argue that his feedback was correct, but given the timing, it's an obvious retaliation, that user has been tagged since 2018, well the reference he used goes back to 2018, why tag him right after he disagrees with you on a political matter?


I don't think 1miau is untrustworthy, I just think he is incompetent for DT, if his political views directly dictate whom he tags, or whom he distrusts, it probably affects who he adds to his trust list, I think a worthy DT member needs to be a grown-up level headed and use the system for the benefit of the entire community and not to impose his political views on anyone else.

Also a side but related note, I personally asked Theymos to blacklist from DT many years ago, so am not affected by 1miau exclusion by any means, I did not write this topic to get any more inclusions that I don't need anyway, I just hate to see DT members abuse the system to punish other members for political disagreement.

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Here is a collection of somewhat a summary of all the complains on 1miau for those who do not want to read the whole thread (although i would encourage you to do so if you have the time).

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