Topic: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 3. (Read 42678 times)

why do you call them enemies when they have peace agreements in place?

the real enemies of Isreal are the racists who live inside Isreal and push for constant war and conquest.
these people will lead to the destruction of Isreal because they are a dirty minority that manipulate the masses into doing their bidding.

"im sorry we have to kill innocent women and children it is for our own survival.."

this kind of mentality is extremely dangerous.
do you know why?

because it is the exact same mentality used by Islamic Extremists.
It is also the exact same mentality used by the Nazis.

the very moment you try to justify the killing of innocent people because of your own deep seated fears.. this is the moment you lose your humanity.

good.. I hope they get rid of Hamas so that we can focus on the real issue. Isreals 50+ year oppression of the Palestinians.
I doubt this will change anything politically. I doubt that many people who had their houses destroyed and family members killed will want to adopt a strategy of non violent resistance.. but this is what must be done if they want to win their freedom.

Isreal's continued settlement policy of carving up the West bank means that there are only two realistic opportunities for peace in the future.

1) Pull out 500,000+ angry militant Jews from the west bank so that the Palestinians can build their own nation.
or
2) keep the land and accept 4,000,000+ Palestinians as Israeli citizens.


of course there are options 3 and 4 which will most likely result in continuing conflict.

3) Do nothing to stop the oppression, settlements etc and have the entire world continue to turn against Isreal.
4) let the angry militant settlers become part of a new Palestine.

And people say why Israel is murdering all the innocent civilians. They don't know that it is forced to do so or enemies from all sides will destroy their country. I mean just look at this. One good attack and it will a huge loss to Israel.

IDF to complete destruction of Hamas tunnels by Sunday; Troops begin withdrawal


More...http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/The-IDF-destroys-Hamass-flagship-terrorism-project-369809

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/un.html


UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and the Palestinians

Israel is the target of at least 77 UN Resolutions
and the Palestinians are the target of 1.


Source: United Nations Security Council resolutions passed from 1955 through 1992 were detailed in Paul Findley’s book Deliberate Deceptions (1998, pages 192-4). Resolutions passed from 1993-2013 were accessed at UN.org.

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2013

Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls on’ Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls on’ Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls on’ Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls on’ Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls on’ Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return
Resolution 904: "...‘strongly condemns’ the massacre in Hebron and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others"
Resolution 1073: "...‘calls for’ the immediate cessation and reversal of all acts which have resulted in the aggravation of the situation, ‘calls for‘ the safety and protection of Palestinian civilians to be ensured"
Resolution 1322: "...‘condemns’ acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life"
Resolution 1402: "...‘calls upon’ both parties to move immediately to a meaningful ceasefire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah"
Resolution 1403: "...‘demands’ the implementation of its resolution 1402 (2002) without delay"
Resolution 1405: "...‘emphasizes’ the urgency of access of medical and humanitarian organizations to the Palestinian civilian population"
Resolution 1435: "...‘demands’ that Israel immediately cease measures in and around Ramallah including the destruction of Palestinian civilian and security infrastructure"
Resolution 1544: "...‘calls on’ Israel to respect its obligations under international humanitarian law, and insists, in particular, on its obligation not to undertake demolition of homes contrary to that law"
Resolution 1860: "...‘calls for’ an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; ‘calls for‘ the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including of food, fuel and medical treatment"
Resolution 1937: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
Resolution 2004: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
Resolution 2064: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"


UN Resolutions Against the Palestinians, 1955-2013

Resolution 1435: "...‘calls on’ the Palestinian Authority to meet its expressed commitment to ensure that those responsible for terrorist acts are brought to justice by it"

Israeli air strike on Gaza hits third UN school in 10 days

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/israel-air-strike-un-school-gaza-rafah

<< Seven people killed and dozens wounded in new missile attack on UN-run school in Rafah, according to witnesses. >>

I though they broke the ceasefire by launching more rockets into Israel.

It also actually turns out that the soldier had died in battle, although it is not clear if he was kidnapped prior to being killed. 

Miracle!
 http://youtu.be/jE6_8Gzdro0

"Noam Chomsky" (May 2014):Israeli-Palestinian Negotiated Settlement Collapse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEpn68BZIOY

After watching this video the whole offensive in Gaza is a lot clearer,

In this very timely presentation after the collapse of the peace talks on April 29, 2014, Noam Chomsky spoke at MIT on May 6, 2014 on the future Prospects for Palestine. The speech was sponsored by the Palestine@MIT group [email protected] & http://palestine.mit.edu/ and https://www.facebook.com/palestineatmit

Noam Chomsky spoke for the first 46 minutes about why the American-brokered Middle East peace negotiations failed, including the history and political situations that lead up to this event.

The main speech is then followed by a 22 minute question and answer period. As is often the case, Noam's answers are extremely thought provoking while he further elaborates on the Palestine Peace Process.

Are there any proof of Hamas behind the kidnapping? isn't this a déjà vu? (the 3 Israeli teens that were murdered, but Israel claimed it was Hamas behind it), Also I saw in different media outlet that Hamas denies any involvement with this events and usually when they kidnap a soldiers they are the first to claim such a thing and even inflate the circumstances, unless maybe you saw something different and there are some kind of proof you can present on this matter.

As for Hamas being the problem for peace, I disagree, they might be part of the problem, but you have to remember that the current situation is favorable to Israel, as they can keep the situation as it is colonizing palestinians terretories and will not be pushed to the negotiation table as they aren't on the receiving end and it is the Palestinians.

As for your point about hamas.. I completely agree.

As for your point about US stealing land from Mexico.... they aren't doing it now that is the point.. we aren't talking about the taking land more than 150 years ago.. we are talking about the continuing and systematic policy of stealing land TODAY.
what Isreal is doing is well after the entire world signed the forth Geneva convention to ban such practices. (hence why the US has not expanded its borders since)

Also the Mexicans did fight back but even though they lost those Mexicans stuck in Texas became US citizens with full rights after a long and painful process. that is why there are so many Latinos in The texas/California region to day... how about trying to steal land from a Latino living in mexico or California today? considering every US citizen has the right to own a gun.. how do you think they would react?

the Palestinians who are stuck in the west bank.. have no citizenship no rights.. and are abused constantly by Isreali settlers and the Isreali army, all this while their land is literally stolen from under their feet.

you just cannot compare how the world was 150 years ago to how it is today.

actually considering that Gaza is a refugee camp which has been under blockade for 7 years its quite amazing how well built up it is.

this is not a comment about Hamas but on the resilience of the Palestinian people.
would they have more infrastructure if Hamas weren't firing rockets and Isreal weren't destroying buildings to get a the tunnels..

absolutely I agree.
 
but to say that Hamas is the only problem that is blocking peace in Isreal/Palestine is complete nonsense.

before Hamas even existed there was no peace on that land.. and it is just naive and absurd to assume that Hamas just came out of thin air.

extremism is a response to oppression not the other way around.

when the British were occupying Palestine it was the Zionist Jews who were blowing up buildings and killing civilians in an attempt to win their freedom.
and what happened to those militants after they won independence? they became Isreali government officials.

this was well before any Hamas or even the PLO were a twinkle in the eye of any Palestinians.

am I saying that's its all Israels fault or all the UKs fault? of course not.

I'm simply saying that extreme action is a result of extreme oppression.
violence breeds yet more violence.
Every time Israel kills an innocent civilian and the perpetrator goes un-punished, they are contributing directly to a new generation of people who will grow to hate them.

how people fail to comprehend this simple fact really escapes me.

extremism is a result of years of neglect and abuse just like heart disease or cancer.

yes it is true that diabetes and cancer can occur naturally even if a person is completely healthy.
but lets not kid ourselves into thinking that the rise in heart disease and cancer rates has nothing to do with how we live our lives.

and lets not kid ourselves into thinking that the rise in Islamic extremism has nothing to do with US and Isreali foreign policy in the region i.e. how those people are being treated.

just like heart disease and cancer.. you cant simply cut out the bad parts without changing your policy and expect that it wont come back.

please do me a favor and listen to some you tube videos with to Michael Scheuer a professor and former CIA officer with more than 20 years experience working at the CIA.
he is one of the most educated people on the topic of Islamic extremism and terrorism (he should be considering the was the guy chasing bin laden for more than 10 years)..

do I think he is right about everything? of course not, but his insights into the causes of extremism and terrorism are remarkable.

it really escapes me how people expect that there will be a military solution to what so blatantly obviously is a political and social problem.

Hamas violated the ceasefire by kidnapping a soldier,dumbest thing to do. hundreds of Palestinians will die and dozens of Israelis as a result,and guess what? they still wont get their land back. this round is mainly Hamas fault.

And BTW,the US did grab Texas from Mexico.

The only reason for the blockade is because Hamas makes use of weapons to continue with terror.
Once there is no Hamas and no radicalism, the blockade will be lifted.
If this really is all about the blockade, then I'm sure there are plenty of other ways of negotiating to lift it other than cold blooded murder and war.

Re the land thing, that's not the biggest problem either. The world should be more interested in helping the civilians in Gaza live a normal life where they're free from any harm.
With Hamas as the governing body, all money/aid is used towards terror. Why has there never been any proper infrastructure built despite the materials that are allowed through the blockade? Hamas uses it to build tunnels and prevents re civilians from living a decent life.

Get rid of Hamas, the blockade opens. Life quality increases and then everyone can sit at a table like adults to discuss and negotiate land and boundaries.

If this is all about Humanitarian needs, then for christ sake, the world should actually do something instead of condemning Israel. As long as Hamas attacks Israel, there will always be an ongoing conflict. Disarm Hamas and the world can live in peace.

Simples. 

if Hamas was the only problem then there would be peace in the west bank... but there isn't.
most people do not even know what Isreal is doing to the Palestinians in the west bank because they aren't firing rockets and being bombed.
but the people in the west bank are being slowly and silently choked by constant Isreali oppression and human rights abuses...

yes Hamas is a road block to peace but so too is the right side of Isreal.

here is an interesting debate about the underlying problem behind the Isreal / Palestine conflict

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6lwgCs2PNM


I have heard plenty of arguments from Pro Isreali people asking the question... What would America do if Mexico started launching rockets into Texas..
but the real questions are..

What would Mexico do if US citizens started sneaking across the border into Mexico and taking land that legally they had no right to take. and what would mexico do if the US government was paying those US citizens 20,000 each to go and live in Mexico on stolen land. What would Mexicans do if those land thieves were shooting at Mexican citizens and beating them on a daily basis. what would Mexicans do if they had walls being built not around mexico but around US communities inside Mexico. what would Mexicans do if US soldiers had a checkpoint on every road between every major city in mexico? what would Mexicans do if their water was being stolen by those US settlers? etc etc etc.

or

What would Mexico do if the US surrounded and completely blockaded it form land see and air for 7 years.


does anyone honestly think that the peaceful people of mexico would just take that kind of abuse..  would Isrealis take that kind of abuse? would anyone take that kind of abuse?

I very much doubt it.

Hamas breached the ceasefire by kidnapping a IDF soldier and killing 2 soldiers shortly after.
Hamas are the problem. Once they are outed, full peace will commence in Israel and Gaza.
Most Palestinians in Gaza know that, but when they try to speak up they get killed by Hamas.

Israel is America's aircraft carrier in the middle east of course they will be resupplied.
what the Palestinians are doing is basically attacking the equivalent of America's sixth fleet  .

That ceasefire should be forever. Love not war. 

72 Hours of Peace in the Middle east
Ceasefire to come in effect but this thread will carry on
Israel and Hamas have agreed to a 72-hour ceasefire in the Gaza Strip starting on Friday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-hamas-agree-to-72-hour-ceasefire-in-gaza-1.2724432

Anonymous 'knocks out' Mossad website over Israel’s Gaza offensive

http://rt.com/news/176888-anonymous-hacks-mossad-site/