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the only way for this madness to end is for Palestinians to be given equal rights and an equal say in how the land is governed. You cannot suppress indefinitely the human desire to be free. Everyone who has ever tried it in the entire history of humanity has ultimately failed.

A one sided action. do you realy think the Palestininans and Jews will turn into care bears and suddenly forget anything and co exist happily? ill remind you Hamas' motto is to liberate all occupied lands.. and by occupied they mean all of Israel..

Hamas have officially stated on several occasions they will follow the will of the Palestinian people in that regard: that is, they will accept the will of the people if they choose to recognize Israel - and in truth, they have already gone even further, by accepting the conditions the Quartet had imposed on them, when they formed the union government earlier this year.

Now, will that magically undo half a century of occupation? No, but you've got to start somewhere.
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Tunnels Lead Right to the Heart of Israeli Fear

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NEAR THE ISRAEL-GAZA BORDER — The curved concrete top of the tunnel grazes the dark-brown buzz cut of Lt. Col. Oshik Azulai, putting it 5 feet and 7 inches above the sand floor. The walls are about 30 inches apart — wide enough for two people to squeeze past each other, unless both are in body armor. It is cool in the tunnel, 46 feet under, and dark, of course. Cellphones do not work.

Colonel Azulai, deputy commander of the Israeli military’s Southern Gaza Division, said this tunnel stretched eight-tenths of a mile into Israel, next to a field filled with watermelon, ripe but unpicked because of the war. It ended about 600 yards from Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha, a rural enclave of 325, but was unfinished: Unlike the tunnels used to infiltrate Israel from Gaza in recent days, this one still had electric lines along the wall and carriage tracks used to ferry out dirt.

Destroying such tunnels was the stated goal of Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza, which began July 17. But 11 days into the mission, and after Israeli officials say they have found 31 tunnels and destroyed 15, Palestinian militants again penetrated underground into Israel on Monday evening and confronted soldiers in a staging area. Multiple soldiers were killed, a senior military official said, as was at least one of the men from Gaza.

“We will not complete the operation without neutralizing the tunnels, the sole purpose of which is the destruction of our civilians and the killing of our children,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel declared in a televised address afterward. “It cannot be that the citizens of the state of Israel will live under the deadly threats of missiles and infiltration through tunnels — death from above and death from below.”

More+video...http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/middleeast/tunnels-lead-right-to-heart-of-israeli-fear.html?_r=1

the Isrealis should learn something from the German concentration camps back in WW2
as long as you keep people locked behind walls and barbed wire.. they will spend all their time trying to tunnel out.

all this proves is that if people want to get around a wall they will and until you deal with the issues and deal with the root causes, this problem will continue.

could you imagine if the people of the west bank started digging tunnels?
every single settlement in the west bank and even cities like Jerusalem would be threatened.
its time to admit that netanyahoo and his government, far from making Israelis safe, has only made the problem worse by continually paying people to go and live on stolen land in the west bank where they are easily exposed to danger and continually stoking the fires of hatred by the excessive use of rhetoric.

the only way for this madness to end is for Palestinians to be given equal rights and an equal say in how the land is governed. You cannot suppress indefinitely the human desire to be free. Everyone who has ever tried it in the entire history of humanity has ultimately failed.

Emancipation is an inalienable right.
if the shoe were on the other foot and Palestinians were oppressing Jews. the outcome would be exactly the same.

in fact people forget that the Jews were building tunnels and bombing government buildings back when the British empire was in control of the land.

the Isrealis should learn something from the German concentration camps back in WW2
as long as you keep people locked behind walls and barbed wire.. they will spend all their time trying to tunnel out.

Yea.. but building a tunnel to Israel is like trying to build a tunnel from Auschwitz to Berlin.. Plus,the tunnels are used by Hamas to send terrorists to infiltrate Israel and kill anything you see..
http://online.wsj.com/articles/gaza-residents-see-growing-toll-in-israel-fight-1405758914

the only way for this madness to end is for Palestinians to be given equal rights and an equal say in how the land is governed. You cannot suppress indefinitely the human desire to be free. Everyone who has ever tried it in the entire history of humanity has ultimately failed.

A one sided action. do you realy think the Palestininans and Jews will turn into care bears and suddenly forget anything and co exist happily? ill remind you Hamas' motto is to liberate all occupied lands.. and by occupied they mean all of Israel..
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Tunnels Lead Right to the Heart of Israeli Fear

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NEAR THE ISRAEL-GAZA BORDER — The curved concrete top of the tunnel grazes the dark-brown buzz cut of Lt. Col. Oshik Azulai, putting it 5 feet and 7 inches above the sand floor. The walls are about 30 inches apart — wide enough for two people to squeeze past each other, unless both are in body armor. It is cool in the tunnel, 46 feet under, and dark, of course. Cellphones do not work.

Colonel Azulai, deputy commander of the Israeli military’s Southern Gaza Division, said this tunnel stretched eight-tenths of a mile into Israel, next to a field filled with watermelon, ripe but unpicked because of the war. It ended about 600 yards from Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha, a rural enclave of 325, but was unfinished: Unlike the tunnels used to infiltrate Israel from Gaza in recent days, this one still had electric lines along the wall and carriage tracks used to ferry out dirt.

Destroying such tunnels was the stated goal of Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza, which began July 17. But 11 days into the mission, and after Israeli officials say they have found 31 tunnels and destroyed 15, Palestinian militants again penetrated underground into Israel on Monday evening and confronted soldiers in a staging area. Multiple soldiers were killed, a senior military official said, as was at least one of the men from Gaza.

“We will not complete the operation without neutralizing the tunnels, the sole purpose of which is the destruction of our civilians and the killing of our children,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel declared in a televised address afterward. “It cannot be that the citizens of the state of Israel will live under the deadly threats of missiles and infiltration through tunnels — death from above and death from below.”

More+video...http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/middleeast/tunnels-lead-right-to-heart-of-israeli-fear.html?_r=1

the Isrealis should learn something from the German concentration camps back in WW2
as long as you keep people locked behind walls and barbed wire.. they will spend all their time trying to tunnel out.

all this proves is that if people want to get around a wall they will and until you deal with the issues and deal with the root causes, this problem will continue.

could you imagine if the people of the west bank started digging tunnels?
every single settlement in the west bank and even cities like Jerusalem would be threatened.
its time to admit that netanyahoo and his government, far from making Israelis safe, has only made the problem worse by continually paying people to go and live on stolen land in the west bank where they are easily exposed to danger and continually stoking the fires of hatred by the excessive use of rhetoric.

the only way for this madness to end is for Palestinians to be given equal rights and an equal say in how the land is governed. You cannot suppress indefinitely the human desire to be free. Everyone who has ever tried it in the entire history of humanity has ultimately failed.

Emancipation is an inalienable right.
if the shoe were on the other foot and Palestinians were oppressing Jews. the outcome would be exactly the same.

in fact people forget that the Jews were building tunnels and bombing government buildings back when the British empire was in control of the land.
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US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration pushed back strongly Monday at a torrent of Israeli criticism over Secretary of State John Kerry's latest bid to secure a cease-fire with Hamas, accusing some in Israel of launching a "misinformation campaign" against the top American diplomat.

"It's simply not the way partners and allies treat each other," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

Her comments were echoed by the White House, where National Security Adviser Susan Rice said the U.S. was "dismayed" by mischaracterizations of Kerry's efforts. Israeli media reports have cast Kerry as seeking a cease-fire that is more favorable to Hamas and being dismissive of key Israeli concerns.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-fuming-over-israeli-criticism-kerry-154747943--politics.html
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Tunnels Lead Right to the Heart of Israeli Fear

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NEAR THE ISRAEL-GAZA BORDER — The curved concrete top of the tunnel grazes the dark-brown buzz cut of Lt. Col. Oshik Azulai, putting it 5 feet and 7 inches above the sand floor. The walls are about 30 inches apart — wide enough for two people to squeeze past each other, unless both are in body armor. It is cool in the tunnel, 46 feet under, and dark, of course. Cellphones do not work.

Colonel Azulai, deputy commander of the Israeli military’s Southern Gaza Division, said this tunnel stretched eight-tenths of a mile into Israel, next to a field filled with watermelon, ripe but unpicked because of the war. It ended about 600 yards from Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha, a rural enclave of 325, but was unfinished: Unlike the tunnels used to infiltrate Israel from Gaza in recent days, this one still had electric lines along the wall and carriage tracks used to ferry out dirt.

Destroying such tunnels was the stated goal of Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza, which began July 17. But 11 days into the mission, and after Israeli officials say they have found 31 tunnels and destroyed 15, Palestinian militants again penetrated underground into Israel on Monday evening and confronted soldiers in a staging area. Multiple soldiers were killed, a senior military official said, as was at least one of the men from Gaza.

“We will not complete the operation without neutralizing the tunnels, the sole purpose of which is the destruction of our civilians and the killing of our children,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel declared in a televised address afterward. “It cannot be that the citizens of the state of Israel will live under the deadly threats of missiles and infiltration through tunnels — death from above and death from below.”

More+video...http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/middleeast/tunnels-lead-right-to-heart-of-israeli-fear.html?_r=1
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   If we are comparing the BBC's coverage to that of the networks in the US then I expect the BBC will come out looking good - but they are a very long way from being impartial in this matter.

sure you aren't going to get impartiality from just one source I agree.
 RT love sticking things up the nose of the US every chance they get and the Russians have their own problems with Islamic militants so on this particular issue RT (to me atleast) seem to be covering the issues with more depth and balance. I'm not sure who watches RT though except for Bitcoiners lol.


Why is this so ? Why not, for e.g., Israel vs Palestine ?

the news media is only covering the issue Isreal Vs Hamas because the current conflict is really only Isreal vs Hamas. The west bank is largely not involved in any of the violence apart from a few stones being thrown and the Palestinians in Jordan and Isreal are also not involved for the most part.

but yes the real issue is Israels brutal 50 year occupation of Palestine. so the Chapter is Isreal v Hamas.. but the book is called Isreal / Palestine.
and I do take the point you appear to be alluding to that the narrative is being framed as Isreal vs Terrorism.
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if I was going to be completely honest.. I would say that the UK seems to be one of the most progressive and balanced societies regarding this issue.. both in terms of their public (protesters, media etc) and their politicians.



Greg Philo, of Glasgow University's "Glasgow Media Group", would disagree with you there - and they meticulously study media representations of events for a living.



I wasn't talking about the news coverage I was talking about how the people are protesting and what the politicians are saying.
though I did say media I meant all forms, news, written, radio, social and it was only my observation...
but even if the news media is biased, which it invariably is, it seems to me like the BBC are doing a better job of covering the news in the west than most other agencies.
(I'm only making that comment based on the news coverage I am seeing in English)

clearly though because of their political leanings, both al jazeera and Russia Today are covering the issue of the Isreal Palestine conflict much deeper than the west because they have more to gain from airing Israels dirty laundry.

I still haven't heard anyone on TV or radio say that the kidnapping or killing of 3 Jewish settler kids was not done by Hamas which some news articles are quoting the IDF as saying.

if this is the case then Netanyahoo has a lot of Jewish and Palestinian blood on his hands for both causing the war and stoking the fires of hatred between the two peoples.

honestly I don't know why so many people believe the BS that politicians say.. everybody knows that a politician will say and do anything to get elected. It is the nature of politics, to lie deceive and twist facts to benefit their agenda. imo Netanyahoo is more dangerous than George W bush for both Isreal and the US.



Hey, we are largely in agreement Alphi, so I'm not going to argue over the finer points of the BBC's coverage.

All I will say (in addition to urging people that are in any doubt to read the link to the Guardian article on Greg Philo's take on the medias coverage of the conflict) is that it seems to me that what the BBC are doing, ever so subtly, and with a very careful gloss of impartiality, is to present the conflict as if its six of one and a half dozen of the other. Which it clearly isn't - and in presenting it as such they are doing the Israeli's a massive service - and the Palestinians no service at all. They are, therefore, presenting propaganda and lies - even though it might not be immediately recognisable as such ( they aren't that stupid  Wink )

   The airtime yesterday spent on the conflict spent as much time on the 10 Israeli soldiers deaths as it did on the 60 to 100 Palestinian civilian deaths - as if they were somehow congruous. Which they clearly aren't.
    And the BBC's narrative is one of Israel vs. Hamas.   Why is this so ? Why not, for e.g., Israel vs Palestine ? This would seem most rational. Or why is the discourse not framed as the people of Palestine vs. the Israeli Defence Force ?

    If we are comparing the BBC's coverage to that of the networks in the US then I expect the BBC will come out looking good - but they are a very long way from being impartial in this matter.
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if I was going to be completely honest.. I would say that the UK seems to be one of the most progressive and balanced societies regarding this issue.. both in terms of their public (protesters, media etc) and their politicians.



Greg Philo, of Glasgow University's "Glasgow Media Group", would disagree with you there - and they meticulously study media representations of events for a living.



I wasn't talking about the news coverage specifically, I was talking about how the people are protesting and what the politicians are saying.
though I did say media I meant all forms, news, written, radio, social media and it was only my limited observation, so I am more than happy to defer to the experts on this....
but even if the news media is biased, which it invariably is, it seems to me like the BBC are doing a better job of covering the news in the west than most other agencies.
(I'm only making that comment based on the news coverage I am seeing in English)

clearly though because of their political leanings, both al jazeera and Russia Today are covering the issue of the Isreal Palestine conflict much deeper than the west because they have more to gain from airing Israels dirty laundry.

I still haven't heard anyone on TV or radio say that the kidnapping or killing of 3 Jewish settler kids was not done by Hamas which some news articles are quoting the IDF as saying.

if this is the case then Netanyahoo has a lot of Jewish and Palestinian blood on his hands for both causing the war and stoking the fires of hatred between the two peoples.

honestly I don't know why so many people believe the BS that politicians say.. everybody knows that a politician will say and do anything to get elected. It is the nature of politics, to lie deceive and twist facts to benefit their agenda. imo Netanyahoo is more dangerous than George W bush for both Isreal and the US.
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Israel-Gaza conflict: Baby girl born by caesarean after mother is killed in air strike

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-baby-girl-born-by-caesarean-after-mother-is-killed-in-air-strike-9634850.html

"A premature baby girl whose mother died in an air strike is fighting for her life after being delivered by medics in Gaza via a caesarean section.

Shaymaa Hussein al Sheikh Ali was heavily pregnant when an Israeli air strike hit the roof of her family home in Deir al-Balah on Thursday.

Surgeons delivered her baby daughter, who has also been named Shaymaa, at a Gaza hospital on Monday after doctors found the infant still had a heartbeat.

A doctor at the hospital where the infant is being treated told Reuters: “The mother and father were killed. The pregnant mother was brought here and when we checked the foetus it was alive, so the doctors did fast surgery and brought the baby out breathing".
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if I was going to be completely honest.. I would say that the UK seems to be one of the most progressive and balanced societies regarding this issue.. both in terms of their public (protesters, media etc) and their politicians.



Greg Philo, of Glasgow University's "Glasgow Media Group", would disagree with you there - and they meticulously study media representations of events for a living.

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Most western world support Israel not Palestine, or at least politically that is and that's why the people is angry and protesting, The west world values human lives?

you are right it is all about politics and trade.

the US has its reasons for supporting Isreal.. and the rest of the western governments tag along simply because they want to maintain favorable trade conditions with the US.

the majority in my country doesn't really give a rats ass about Isreal (or Palestine if we are going to be brutally honest) but because US is Isreal's ally and we are allied with the US.. our politicians do not speak out for fear of upsetting the apple cart.

it is also true that the Jewish Pro Isreal lobby are extremely effective at propaganda through their control of media etc so if any politician dares to speak out against Israel their words can easily be manipulated and their career can easily be trashed.

you can see the apparent contradiction in some countries foreign policy when their UN ambassadors vote Against Isreal at the UN but their government does not criticize Isreal publicly on TV.
a lot of countries also abstain at the UN because trade and their domestic economies are more important than human rights in some far away land.

that's just how the system works... even if the people don't like it.. that's why we have to agitate for change via civil disobedience and peaceful protest.

Politicians don't lead, they follow... its only when they see mass protests do they make any kind of public statement.

if I was going to be completely honest.. I would say that the UK seems to be one of the most progressive and balanced societies regarding this issue.. both in terms of their public (protesters, media etc) and their politicians.

certainly more progressive than my country.
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calling someone anti-Semitic just because they don't agree with you would be like Obama calling people racist because they didn't vote for him.

so I guess all those people (including Jews) who voted republican must be racist.   <-- Sarcasm Grin

the thing that makes the use of the anti-semitism argument even more absurd is that Arabic and Aramaic are also Semitic languages.

so Jews who disagree with Isreal are called self hating Jews... and Arabic speakers who disagree with Isreal are also self hating in a perverse kind of way.
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Antisemitic means nothing and both of them are semitic peoples. Stop making or trying to make points out of nowhere!
Antisemitic means nothing? by which standard ? just a quick search of Palestinians demonstration and antisemitic and you'll find tons of Israeli sources calling those as antisemitic and starting a propaganda compaign in whole Europe about it
as for the definition :
http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/antisemitism.html#.U9dxzLE43wk
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semitic

So no my point is clear and the word antisemitic exists and it definition is clear, so I don't understand what are even trying to achieve by denying such a word

Double standards why?
Most of Western support for Palestine comes out of shocking on how human life is in sale there. Luckily for us, the West puts a high value on life.
What turns this absurd is to see Muslims complaining a LOT about Palestine, but each time someone talks about Boko Haram, ISIS and other dickheads that goes around killing people for nothing; "washing honor", "prayed with the ass 30º upwards when it should be 35º" and so on, we find the other Muslims giving the cold shoulder and making excuses... pretty much what you just did.
Most western world support Israel not Palestine, or at least politically that is and that's why the people is angry and protesting, The west world values human lives? only when it arrange us that is, I don't recall any sanction forward toward Israel, while if we take the example you've mentioning over and over again which Syria, Syria was slamed by international sanctions from the get go, while Israel been going away it for half a century officially that is. As for the Muslims complaining about Palestine, maybe you need to check your facts and that the whole media coverage you are getting is from the western media as I do, or are you watching and reading Muslim medias on the matter, which is impossible because if you did, you would know that out of almost 2 billions muslims there is a minority of dickheads and not everyone is a a criminal as you mention, but of course you feel the need to generalize because that's your opinion about such a large population who's the one talking about hatred here?  

The "right answer" would be around, that's also awful... but you just can't attack your religion, can you?
Or maybe you just read what you want to read and never had an objective look before making such a judgment which a mark of ignorance to say the least, let's just take an example from what you mentioned, "Boko Haram" did you check the position of Muslim clerics and searchers on that matter? Of course you didn't all Muslims support Boko Haram is what your passively claiming or at least no one in Islamic world could condemn boko Haram according to this quote but the reality is quite different and it proves again your partial judgment without minimum research or facts

As for my religion that's again another statement you are advancing without a single proof, not because I read books and do research about stuff so I can have proper judgment it's means I follow it, maybe you didn't check my comments on Christianity or Judaism threads in the past from a couple of month ago, as someone claimed I was Christian the same way you are doing right now...is just goes to prove that hasty judgment is one of your traits
 


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Bottom line, or we say the problem is violence in general, no matter who commits it against who and I'll support that, or if the problem is "violence from Israel" then we are jumping into a non-defensible position of support violence, just not from "those guys".

Again you are only reading or keeping what you want to read, I can quote my self several times condemning Hamas for targeting innocent civilians and considering it as such a terrorist organization, but like I said before, and by the same standard, Israel is a terrorist state (The government and the few in control not the whole population) as Israel targets Palestinians Civilians! as proven in many cases and one example of thousands would the 8 year old children that were playing at the beach and were blown to pieces or just today, children that were playing on a swing in park of refugee faced the same fate. but again you are the one that fails to do the same, and so far I didn't see you once condamning the Israeli position, but instead the majority of your post can be resumed to Muslims are barbaric, muslim are killers, muslims are the worst ....and generalizing without even considering the fact that there is a vast majority that is living peacefully and doesn't do harm to anyone.
...Islam is currently the most barbaric.
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Hmm Huffington took an interesting view on it

How Social Media Is Fueling the Israel-Palestine Conflict in Gaza

Ever since Israel began its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, both the press and social media have been abuzz with opinions about the conflict. While the opinions of professional journalists have been somewhat balanced, the rhetoric on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms has been anything but, devolving into one-sided rants and conveniently picked news items that support a particular narrative.

The problem is that the conflict in the Middle East is not just a military one but a political and cultural one as well, and the latter is easily inflamed by rhetoric and public opinion. What the millions of people on social media are doing, in effect, is adding fuel to an already raging fire and making it harder for Israelis and Palestinians to hold a real dialogue about their disagreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/how-social-media-is-fueli_b_5627901.html

I couldn't agree more...
its almost like mass hysteria all over social media..

the Hamas and Isreali leadership love it because it gives them more support for their stated goals of annihilating each other.
the same thing happened in the USA after 9/11 and it took america about 8 years or so to wake up from it. thankfully they did wake up from it..

the problem in Isreal is that there is no left side. they only have far right and center right parties that have any kind of political influence so the chances of them waking up from this hysteria are virtually none unless some severe external pressure is put on them or a really tragic event happens within Isreal proper.

this could be a turning point in history where Isreal either becomes a more liberal pluralist democracy or it becomes an Isolationist state.
I know people have probably been saying that for decades...

on the other side.. the moderates (the Palestinian Left) over in the west bank who aren't firing rockets are being completely ignored while the extremists in Gaza attack Isreal.
I think it is inevitable that Hamas will lose political support just as it is inevitable that Zionist Isreal will.

but when? .. I hope it wont be 8 years.
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Hmm Huffington took an interesting view on it

How Social Media Is Fueling the Israel-Palestine Conflict in Gaza

Ever since Israel began its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, both the press and social media have been abuzz with opinions about the conflict. While the opinions of professional journalists have been somewhat balanced, the rhetoric on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms has been anything but, devolving into one-sided rants and conveniently picked news items that support a particular narrative.

The problem is that the conflict in the Middle East is not just a military one but a political and cultural one as well, and the latter is easily inflamed by rhetoric and public opinion. What the millions of people on social media are doing, in effect, is adding fuel to an already raging fire and making it harder for Israelis and Palestinians to hold a real dialogue about their disagreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/how-social-media-is-fueli_b_5627901.html

Well, they've had about half a century to deal with their disagreements and the situation has only gotten worse. Now, it's true that what you'll see on social media will most likely be biased towards one side or the other, but at least it makes sure increasingly more people see what is going on, and hopefully look further into it (and who knows, maybe even do something about it).
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Hmm Huffington took an interesting view on it

How Social Media Is Fueling the Israel-Palestine Conflict in Gaza

Ever since Israel began its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, both the press and social media have been abuzz with opinions about the conflict. While the opinions of professional journalists have been somewhat balanced, the rhetoric on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms has been anything but, devolving into one-sided rants and conveniently picked news items that support a particular narrative.

The problem is that the conflict in the Middle East is not just a military one but a political and cultural one as well, and the latter is easily inflamed by rhetoric and public opinion. What the millions of people on social media are doing, in effect, is adding fuel to an already raging fire and making it harder for Israelis and Palestinians to hold a real dialogue about their disagreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/how-social-media-is-fueli_b_5627901.html
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Former CIA intelligence officer and straight talker Michael Scheuer talks about the economics of war and US foreign policy in the middle east.
slightly off topic but he does explain how Isreal may drag the US into another war and how the US really cannot afford it economically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ex2HnovN4

if you want to know why the so called "war on terror" is such a futile endeavor then this guy explains it really well.
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Yes because Israel is a genocidal machine

Yeah, right.

Is that supposed to be sarcasm?
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Yes because Israel is a genocidal machine

Yeah, right.
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When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/28/israeli-military-most-moral-no-more-outrage-indifference

<< Once there was widespread Israeli outrage over the bombing of homes in Gaza. Now there is just indifference. >>
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