Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 4.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 31, 2014, 08:04:20 AM

Israel always the victim… especially when it’s the executioner
http://rt.com/op-edge/176960-israel-gaza-conflict-executioner/

An Op-Edge with Nile Bowie is a political analyst and photographer currently residing in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

There are different strategies invented by the Israelis and this is one of them, you can read all about them from Israeli sources as they described in details. and all this to counter any "peace offensive" (again an Israeli made word that you can find informations on) made by the Palestinian government such as the unity government that was formed by US and EU blessing just before the start of all these attacks.

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Israel always the victim… especially when it’s the executioner
http://rt.com/op-edge/176960-israel-gaza-conflict-executioner/

An Op-Edge with Nile Bowie is a political analyst and photographer currently residing in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

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US condemns shelling of UN school in Gaza but restocks Israeli ammunition Roll Eyes

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza

- White House issues unusually strong rebuke after 16 deaths
- But Pentagon confirms that US resupplied Israel with ammunition

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Bolivia declares Israel ‘terrorist state’, scraps visa exemption agreement
http://rt.com/news/176852-bolivia-israel-terrorist-state/

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Bolivia has declared Israel to be a “terrorist state” and renounced a visa exemption agreement with the country in protest over the ongoing Israeli military offense in Gaza which already killed more than 1,300 dead and left over 7,000 wounded.

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Quote from: Alphi on July 30, 2014, 06:35:58 PM

Quote from: newflesh on July 30, 2014, 05:35:42 PM

Bolivia declares Israel a terrorist state

https://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html

Morales said the Gaza offensive shows "that Israel is not a guarantor of the principles of respect for life and the elementary precepts of rights that govern the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of our international community."

Morales has Morals.
I think its time for people to call for Obama to give back his Nobel peace prize if he isn't going to work for it.

Noam Chomsky believes that this whole conflict would be over in a heart beat if the US threatened to end all military aid to Isreal.
but they wont do it because Obama is too weak to stand up in congress and push for it.

The problem is that Israel doesn't care about it all of Latin America is pretty much condemning them heck even here in North America but our government is deeply entrenched with Israel.

That said they will need to pay no one can get away with all the crimes Israel does for longer blow up enough UN buildings and refugees and even the West won't be able to Justify Israels right to self defense.

Morales said the Gaza offensive shows "that Israel is not a guarantor of the principles of respect for life and the elementary precepts of rights that govern the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of our international community."

More than two weeks of fighting in Gaza have left 1,300 dead and 6,000 wounded amid an intense Israeli air and ground campaign in response to missile attacks by the Islamist militant group Hamas.

In the latest development, 16 people were killed after two Israeli shells slammed into a United Nations school, drawing international protests.

Bolivia broke off diplomatic relations with Israel in 2009 over a previous military operation in Gaza.

In mid-July, Morales filed a request with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to prosecute Israel for "crimes against humanity."

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Quote from: newflesh on July 30, 2014, 05:35:42 PM

Bolivia declares Israel a terrorist state

https://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html

Morales said the Gaza offensive shows "that Israel is not a guarantor of the principles of respect for life and the elementary precepts of rights that govern the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of our international community."

Morales has Morals.
I think its time for people to call for Obama to give back his Nobel peace prize if he isn't going to work for it.

Noam Chomsky believes that this whole conflict would be over in a heart beat if the US threatened to end all military aid to Isreal.
but they wont do it because Obama is too weak to stand up in congress and push for it.

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Bolivia declares Israel a terrorist state

https://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html

Bolivia on Wednesday renounced a visa exemption agreement with Israel in protest over its offensive in Gaza, and declared it a terrorist state.

President Evo Morales announced the move during a talk with a group of educators in the city of Cochabamba.

It "means, in other words, we are declaring (Israel) a terrorist state," he said.

The treaty has allowed Israelis to travel freely to Bolivia without a visa since 1972.

Morales said the Gaza offensive shows "that Israel is not a guarantor of the principles of respect for life and the elementary precepts of rights that govern the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of our international community."

More than two weeks of fighting in Gaza have left 1,300 dead and 6,000 wounded amid an intense Israeli air and ground campaign in response to missile attacks by the Islamist militant group Hamas.

In the latest development, 16 people were killed after two Israeli shells slammed into a United Nations school, drawing international protests.

Bolivia broke off diplomatic relations with Israel in 2009 over a previous military operation in Gaza.

In mid-July, Morales filed a request with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to prosecute Israel for "crimes against humanity."

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Quote from: solid12345 on July 30, 2014, 04:43:02 PM

Quote from: newflesh on July 30, 2014, 05:13:16 AM

Officials say more than 40 people died in Gaza as Israel continued heaviest bombing of 23-day campaign

Funny how Israel supposedly keeps hitting these schools and civilians left and right yet I have yet to see any reports of Hamas fighter casualties, they must be ninja warriors I tell ya.

Fairly sure there have been reports of Hamas casualties, seems like a large proportion of Israel's super accurate laser guided missiles have killed only civilians:

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UN: 'world stands disgraced' as shelter for Gaza children is shelled by Israel

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees said the shelling of the school, being operated by the UN as a refugee camp, was a "serious violation of international law"

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Quote from: newflesh on July 30, 2014, 05:13:16 AM

Officials say more than 40 people died in Gaza as Israel continued heaviest bombing of 23-day campaign

Funny how Israel supposedly keeps hitting these schools and civilians left and right yet I have yet to see any reports of Hamas fighter casualties, they must be ninja warriors I tell ya.

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Gaza: another UN school hit in further night of fierce bombardment

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/gaza-another-un-school-hit-in-further-night-of-fierce-bombardment

Officials say more than 40 people died in Gaza as Israel continued heaviest bombing of 23-day campaign

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Quote from: Alphi on July 29, 2014, 07:46:43 PM

hmm I'm starting to see a pattern here...

A pattern that dates back from before the memory of times on that region... and way before there was a people named "Jews" or a people named "Arabs".
Hope they find peace one day, but I seriously doubt I'll live that longer to see it myself.

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a good bbc doco on the birth if isreal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCC3BEwdS0M

interesting it was made 6 years ago and pretty much nothing has changed except the problems have gotten worse.

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Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on July 29, 2014, 06:21:32 PM

Now, will that magically undo half a century of occupation? No, but you've got to start somewhere.

Occupation.. and rocket attacks,suicide bombing,shootings,etc,the Israelis won't forget that easily.

Irgun is Israel's version of Hamas al qassam brigade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

what?? jewish terrorists? those noble people could never do such a thing... Shocked

its not like either side can claim the moral high ground here.

so the Jews fought off British occupation with militants and terrorists... and now the Palestinians are doing the same thing to their occupiers...

hmm I'm starting to see a pattern here...

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Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on July 29, 2014, 06:21:32 PM

Hamas have officially stated on several occasions they will follow the will of the Palestinian people in that regard: that is, they will accept the will of the people if they choose to recognize Israel - and in truth, they have already gone even further, by accepting the conditions the Quartet had imposed on them, when they formed the union government earlier this year.

"Ismail Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal have also stated repeatedly that "Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it,"[11] and that "we shall not relinquish the Islamic waqf on the land of Palestine, and Jerusalem shall not be divided into Western and Eastern Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a single united [city], and Palestine stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and from Naqoura [Rosh Ha-Niqra] to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat] in the south."[12][13]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

De facto there is no unity government,there is still Hamas,Islamic Jihad,Fatah and many other small groups. If there was a unity government,Israel would bomb the West Bank as well in response for the rockets,nobody wants that to happen.

The charter doesn't dictate politics, or what solutions they might pursue. As I stated, they have agreed to all the terms the Quartet had imposed on them, and officially declared they would follow the will of the Palestinian people in that regard - what part of that did you not understand? Hell, even the link you provided goes on to state:

Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:54:49 PM

Quote from: u9y42 on July 29, 2014, 06:21:32 PM

Now, will that magically undo half a century of occupation? No, but you've got to start somewhere.

Occupation.. and rocket attacks,suicide bombing,shootings,etc,the Israelis won't forget that easily.

Neither will the Palestinians forget being forced to live in conditions just slightly above those consistent with an humanitarian crisis, purposefully imposed upon them by Israel, as leaked official documents state. We can go on blaming one side or the other, but the truth is, if we want the situation to improve, the occupation must end.

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Quote from: Alphi on July 29, 2014, 06:40:57 PM

Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:05:27 PM

Yea.. but building a tunnel to Israel is like trying to build a tunnel from Auschwitz to Berlin.. Plus,the tunnels are used by Hamas to send terrorists to infiltrate Israel and kill anything you see..
http://online.wsj.com/articles/gaza-residents-see-growing-toll-in-israel-fight-1405758914

of course there is no doubt that the tunnels into Gaza are being used to carry out strikes in Isreal.
but do you know why they are tunneling into isreal?....

A) they are surrounded by Isreal.
and B) they are trying to get their land back.

there are tunnels going into Egypt too but are Hamas going into Egypt to carry out attacks?

A)and Egypt.
B) Did you mean Jewish land? Gaza borders Israel proper,which is legal Israeli land,not the West Bank
You realy think 1-10 fighters can take out all of Israel? lol. small atacks like these dont get your land back,they make things even worser.

Quote from: Alphi on July 29, 2014, 06:40:57 PM

there just simply is no way that Isreal will pull out of the west bank when there are nearly 400,000 Jews living there now.
the successive Isreali government settlement policies have destroyed any possibility of a real two state solution.

Israel can annex parts of the West Bank with Jewish majority,giving the Arabs who live there Israeli citizenship,the rest goes to Palestine.

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Quote from: u9y42 on July 29, 2014, 06:21:32 PM

Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:05:27 PM

Quote from: Alphi on July 29, 2014, 05:43:33 PM

the only way for this madness to end is for Palestinians to be given equal rights and an equal say in how the land is governed. You cannot suppress indefinitely the human desire to be free. Everyone who has ever tried it in the entire history of humanity has ultimately failed.

A one sided action. do you realy think the Palestininans and Jews will turn into care bears and suddenly forget anything and co exist happily? ill remind you Hamas' motto is to liberate all occupied lands.. and by occupied they mean all of Israel..

Hamas have officially stated on several occasions they will follow the will of the Palestinian people in that regard: that is, they will accept the will of the people if they choose to recognize Israel - and in truth, they have already gone even further, by accepting the conditions the Quartet had imposed on them, when they formed the union government earlier this year.

"Ismail Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal have also stated repeatedly that "Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it,"[11] and that "we shall not relinquish the Islamic waqf on the land of Palestine, and Jerusalem shall not be divided into Western and Eastern Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a single united [city], and Palestine stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and from Naqoura [Rosh Ha-Niqra] to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat] in the south."[12][13]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

De facto there is no unity government,there is still Hamas,Islamic Jihad,Fatah and many other small groups. If there was a unity government,Israel would bomb the West Bank as well in response for the rockets,nobody wants that to happen.

Quote from: u9y42 on July 29, 2014, 06:21:32 PM

Now, will that magically undo half a century of occupation? No, but you've got to start somewhere.

Occupation.. and rocket attacks,suicide bombing,shootings,etc,the Israelis won't forget that easily.

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Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:05:27 PM

Yea.. but building a tunnel to Israel is like trying to build a tunnel from Auschwitz to Berlin.. Plus,the tunnels are used by Hamas to send terrorists to infiltrate Israel and kill anything you see..
http://online.wsj.com/articles/gaza-residents-see-growing-toll-in-israel-fight-1405758914

of course there is no doubt that the tunnels into Gaza are being used to carry out strikes in Isreal.
but do you know why they are tunneling into isreal?....

A) they are surrounded by Isreal.
and B) they are trying to get their land back.

there are tunnels going into Egypt too but are Hamas going into Egypt to carry out attacks?

Quote from: DodoB on July 29, 2014, 06:05:27 PM

A one sided action. do you realy think the Palestininans and Jews will turn into care bears and suddenly forget anything and co exist happily? ill remind you Hamas' motto is to liberate all occupied lands.. and by occupied they mean all of Israel..

nobody said it would be easy.. and in fact both Islamic extremists and the Zionists have to lose power for it to happen.
but really it is the only way to have lasting peace. the only alternative is everlasting turmoil.

did anyone think that Jews would ever go back to Germany after what happened during the holocaust?
its been some time but sure there are Jews moving back to Germany.

the point is reconciliation can happen, it does happen and it must happen.

there just simply is no way that Isreal will pull out of the west bank when there are nearly 400,000 Jews living there now.
the successive Isreali government settlement policies have destroyed any possibility of a real two state solution.

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Quote from: TheIrishman on July 29, 2014, 06:31:00 PM

[...] << With blackouts, food shortages and sewage in the streets, observers say the IDF either targets civilians or has terrible aim. >>

Well, with close to 80% civilian casualties, over 1200 dead and many thousands injured, I find it hard to find any other explanation: either they are incompetent, which seems unlikely, or they don't care/deliberately target civilians and civilian infrastructure when they think they can get away with it (which given US support, would be most of the time).

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Israel is finding it harder to deny targeting Gaza infrastructure

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/israel-gaza-infrastructure-blackouts-idf-civilian

<< With blackouts, food shortages and sewage in the streets, observers say the IDF either targets civilians or has terrible aim. >>

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