Topic: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 6. (Read 42652 times)

Antisemitic means nothing and both of them are semitic peoples. Stop making or trying to make points out of nowhere!

Let me just put this more clear as now I've access to a computer - writing on touch screen still isn't the same:

Double standards why?
Most of Western support for Palestine comes out of shocking on how human life is in sale there. Luckily for us, the West puts a high value on life.
What turns this absurd is to see Muslims complaining a LOT about Palestine, but each time someone talks about Boko Haram, ISIS and other dickheads that goes around killing people for nothing; "washing honor", "prayed with the ass 30º upwards when it should be 35º" and so on, we find the other Muslims giving the cold shoulder and making excuses... pretty much what you just did.
The "right answer" would be around, that's also awful... but you just can't attack your religion, can you?

EDIT:
Bottom line, or we say the problem is violence in general, no matter who commits it against who and I'll support that, or if the problem is "violence from Israel" then we are jumping into a non-defensible position of support violence, just not from "those guys".

Israel hate? this the usual argument of people that cannot argue with facts, most if not all don't hate Israel, but the politics of it current government, and what you are doing right it's exactly what Israel politics are trying to spread, heck you can see new propaganda messages flooding the internet (some of them were so extrem that the UN intervened). And Standing for Palestinians = antisemitism according to Israel this is the new message being spread in EU, rallying or demonstration for Palestine is antisemitic according to the new media push by the Israeli lobby.

Former CIA intelligence officer and straight talker Michael Scheuer gives his impression of US support for Isreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFZgoibVFWg


You should watch more videos with this guy talking if you want to know more about US foreign policy in the middle east..
I certainly don't agree with everything he says but I still listen and learn because he has many decades of experience in the field.

Yes because Israel is a genocidal machine

I do not hate anyone, at most I hate them for what they do, not for what they are!

Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.

Think with your mind, not with that of others!
 

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Israel forgets that the world is changing we no longer rely the propaganda media and once people outside Israel begin to put pressure on companies who do business with the Nazi state official sanctions by US or EU will not matter global companies cant afford to piss off their customers particularly in the current economic climate. The Blood lust of the Zionists is doing far more then terrorising Palestinians, its galvanising world resentment.

Take a look https://secure.avaaz.org/en/israel_palestine_this_is_how_it_ends_rb/?fpla
 then wait 30 seconds for RECENT SIGNERS  bottom RHS to start scowling, and you will see the steady stream flowing in. Public companies being targeted will have no choice but to withdraw or face litigation that will follow for being complicit in the genocide. Once the dominoes begin to fall the terrorist state will not be able to fund this genocide from its own coffers and it will be brought to heel. Then the politicians who stood idly by watching this will have to explain how they did nothing.

It will not happen overnight but this is the tipping point.    

Here is where you contradict yourself and prove my point, where do you see that I only care about palestinians how do you know? I was pretty active in 2011 and 2012 for syrian people I even participated in strikes and demonstrations to support Syrian people, but again like I said before you just want to derail. Palestine been suffering and been under colinization for a century now (half a decade officially by UN) Palestinians been suffering for that much, every six month to two year period Israel does a Massacre like this one and no one does anything.

Again the double standard is coming from you and your poor attempt of derailing a thread about Israel and Palestine


Israel wouldn't be able to make anything without American support being it technological or financial, and also one other source of Israel finance, is Germany that they are still milking every year or two, Israeli government cry holocaust reparation and get a couple of billions € and they are doing it again right now. (I know that some will try to deform this last part so I'll make it clear, Jews suffered a lot during the Nazi period and such trajedy should never happen again and that's why we should stand for Palestinians as they are on the receiving end right now, and the famillies that suffered during the Holocaust deserves reparations, which was done by Germany several times, but right now it's just a political tool to pressure Germany and to get billions to finance it Massacre against Palestine no more no less.)

By who?! You're talking of a small country with almost 200 nobel prizes, and real deal ones, medicine, physics... not bs ones like peace or literature. They made very complex weaponry, such as drones. Israel is far from an easy picking to anybody.

Yes because Israel standing just because of USA if they stop to back them they they will out of World map in just few days

And why do you care so much about 1000 palestinians and nothing about the rest of muslims?
Double standards or as long as the assassin wears your shirt it is OK?

And yes, there are a lot of interests around this conflict, but isn't resources and land that fuel it or push it to frontpage. The thousands of NGO's profiting from it are the main pressure group around.

I agree but its changing over time because those who believe in the Zionist dream end up moving there eventually.. and the more liberal people end up staying behind.
at the same time you have liberal minded people leaving Isreal because of how extreme and right wing the narrative is becoming...

in my mind this really isn't much different to how things were happening in Europe in the 1930s.
A very clear sign of this would be if Isreal starts expelling non Jewish citizens from their country. (they already do ban some Jews (and others) from entering because of their outspoken anti zionist position)

all I'm saying is that what we are witnessing is the world (including Jews outside of Isreal) turning against the policies of Isreal and at the same time Isreali policies becoming more and more extreme.
at some point something has to give because we can't continue down this path without the proverbial sh*t hitting the fan.

and having learnt more about the issue... I have faith that US policy will change (even if only slightly) before things get way out of hand...
and sure you might say they are out of hand already... but I'm talking before a really big disaster happens.

when some 80%+ of the population are behind their right wing leaders who are hell bent on destroying their enemies things can go from bad to worse very quickly.
and both Hamas in Gaza and Isreal seem to enjoy that kind of popular support.

that's why I try my best to speak out... because I want the madness to end before it gets a hell of a lot worse.

I cant help but think that the events in the middle east... (not just Isreal Palestine) might destabilize Jordan and Lebanon.. and if that happens then Isreal will be surrounded on all sides by conflict and its not just going to be a repeat of 1967 where the heroes of Zionism defeated all the Arabs.. because that conflict was an over exaggerated myth.

America has the power to fix this.. they are the only ones that can... and the people of america are the only ones that can cause a shift in US policy.. the rest of us are just pissing in the wind....

So in the end it is also the fault of the U.S. government  .

Chomsky is the exception to the rule. don't kid yourself, most Jews support Israel if only because they are automatically eligible to live there as a second option should things go south in their own country.
I'm not saying there is a global Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, but when the decision needs to be made on whether America (or any other country) will back Israel or not, the overwhelming majority of Jews are biased in favor of supporting Israel.

that's Jews not Zionists (aka Pro Isreal Jews and Christians).. it is a mistake to confuse the two. (just like it is a mistake to confuse Palestinians with Arabs)

sure there are plenty of Zionists in high places especially controlling the Mainstream Media in the USA.
but there are also many non Zionist Jews who do not particularly support Isreal who hold lots of wealth and power too.

the greatest lie ever told is that Jews control the USA in some kind of world domination conspiracy.
if you want proof of that then watch some of Noam chomsky's lectures on the subject of Isreal.. if the Zionists controlled the USA they would have found a way to silence him and people like him .. that's for sure.

without question the Israeli lobby is extremely powerful but not as powerful as the Arms Lobby.

George bush didn't invade Iraq because he wanted to save Jews in the middle east. most of it was to do with securing resources and selling arms.
another example is if you look at Iraq and Syria today they are extremely dangerous threats to Israel because of how unstable they are (More so than Hamas and Hezbollah)... and america is doing everything it can to stay out of Iraq and Syria.

Noam Chomsky can explain it better than I can.. and he is of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.

Israel controls America on a whole different scale than anyone else.
every fed chairman since 87 was Jewish.
currently not only is the fed chairman Jewish but so is the vice chairman, his last job was actually being the chairman of Israel's central bank.

its really incredible how powerful they are considering they are only 1.7% of the American population.

27% of United States Nobel prize winners in the 20th century, 25% of Fields Medal winners, 25% of ACM Turing Award winners, 6 out of the 19 world chess champions, and a quarter of Westinghouse Science Talent Search winners have either full or partial Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence)

speaking of action..

here is an interesting debate in the UK parliament about action on the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32WyGsv2ZpU

yeah I agree but you should read up on what happened in Mubarak's Egypt and Apartheid South Africa... they were on the same team with the US too at one point until they lost US support and then their governments collapsed.
regimes can change even if the teams eventually go back to where they were...  

Just remember Americas interests are strategic and financial they aren't Ideological.

America is quite happy to ally with Islamic regimes like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

So even if Isreal/Palestine is no longer a majority Jewish state, as long as they are friends with the USA it doesn't matter who is running the country.

the Zionists are the only people who don't want to give back Palestinian land and rights.

Also can you imagine a Half Black president from the USA who doesn't stand up for civil rights?
he would get laughed right out of the white house... that's the main reason why they stopped backing Mubarak in Egypt.

its not going to happen, Israel is basically America's aircraft carrier in the middle east, who do you think gave them the planes they use to bomb the Palestinians.
John Kerry, Obama, Congress and Netanyahu are all on the same team, they are simply playing good cop bad cop with the rest of the world.