Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 31. (Read 75960 times)
Secondly I strongly believe that The government can’t be a thief, because it is the government that defines property rights through its laws. The government can simply make laws that say that the money you are supposed to pay in taxes isn’t really yours in the first place; it is the government’s money
Taxation is not theft, because citizens have agreed to pay taxes. This is part of the “social contract,” which is a kind of agreement between citizens and the government, whereby the citizens agree to pay taxes and obey the laws, in return for the government’s protection. By using government services (such as roads, schools, and police), and remaining present in the government’s territory, you indicate that you accept the social contract.
The idea of taxation as theft is a viewpoint found in a number of political philosophies. Under this view, government transgresses property rights by enforcing compulsory tax collection.
If someone steals your wallet, then goes and donates your money to charity...is it theft?
The act of taking your money without your consent has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what is then done with the money. Those are TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
The act of taking your money without your consent has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what is then done with the money. Those are TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
I mean we all need public goods to survive as a society. A road is the most common example but what about other stuff like the military and even general well-being. These must be considered because it is a wild world that we live in. Is it worth it to have a police force? It is when someone steals your car. That's a great example of a common good it's best for everyone in society so that we can hold value without fear of losing it by theft or brute force.
Why do you assume that extortion is the only way to fund large projects?
Ever bought your own food to survive? Getting that food from a seed, grown, harvested, packaged, shipped, put up for sale. That's a pretty big task...feeding everyone. How does that get paid for?
I mean we all need public goods to survive as a society. A road is the most common example but what about other stuff like the military and even general well-being. These must be considered because it is a wild world that we live in. Is it worth it to have a police force? It is when someone steals your car. That's a great example of a common good it's best for everyone in society so that we can hold value without fear of losing it by theft or brute force.
If the money collected from taxes is not entirely spent on infrastructure, and social advancement, then it is a theft
Yes, taxes are certainly a theft. People constantly spend their money in the course of their lives to the state, but with this money, the rulers just have fun and do not want to take care of the country.
In some countries, the tax money is carefully spent. Examples are Singapore and Switzerland. But some other countries spend most of this money in importing immigrants from the third world nations, and to invade foreign countries such as Libya and Syria.
Taxation is not theft. Though it's not voluntary, you still pay for it. Why?
Because it is mandatory, according to the law.
It's like a toll gate fee or a box office payment. You pay the government for the services they give you. It's the government's business.
You will only feel robed if and when you're not satisfied by what the government do.
Because it is mandatory, according to the law.
It's like a toll gate fee or a box office payment. You pay the government for the services they give you. It's the government's business.
You will only feel robed if and when you're not satisfied by what the government do.
Imagine if there was a company that made up laws to force you to make purchases from the company. Then if you don't make the purchases the company forced you to, they will take their revenue and arm people, and come for you and throw you in a cage. Some people would consider that a mob. But that company just happens to be the government. Just imagine if any other company tried to do that. People would be outraged.
And when we say the word government, you probably think of this wonderful benevolent company that cares about your well being. But it's a company that is concerned about existing.
Taxation is not theft. Though it's not voluntary, you still pay for it. Why?
Because it is mandatory, according to the law.
It's like a toll gate fee or a box office payment. You pay the government for the services they give you. It's the government's business.
You will only feel robed if and when you're not satisfied by what the government do.
Because it is mandatory, according to the law.
It's like a toll gate fee or a box office payment. You pay the government for the services they give you. It's the government's business.
You will only feel robed if and when you're not satisfied by what the government do.
Except when you pay for a box office payment you are doing so voluntarily. Paying for a service you want for an agreed upon price.
Yes, taxes are certainly a theft. People constantly spend their money in the course of their lives to the state, but with this money, the rulers just have fun and do not want to take care of the country.
Taxation is not theft. Though it's not voluntary, you still pay for it. Why?
Because it is mandatory, according to the law.
It's like a toll gate fee or a box office payment. You pay the government for the services they give you. It's the government's business.
You will only feel robed if and when you're not satisfied by what the government do.
Because it is mandatory, according to the law.
It's like a toll gate fee or a box office payment. You pay the government for the services they give you. It's the government's business.
You will only feel robed if and when you're not satisfied by what the government do.
It is not theft for me basically. It is in the constitution that the government may impose taxes on the people. That is how the government is also fueled or supported to provide services to the people. However, it would easily become theft if the taxes that people pay go to the pockets of some few corrupt leaders.
The act of taking money without permission becomes theft if the money is not spent well?
That's like saying "non-consensual sex with a woman would easily become rape if she does not have an orgasm"
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs
it feels like more of a ransom payment
Taxation is extortion with the threat of violence.
It is not theft for me basically. It is in the constitution that the government may impose taxes on the people. That is how the government is also fueled or supported to provide services to the people. However, it would easily become theft if the taxes that people pay go to the pockets of some few corrupt leaders.
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs
Taxation for me is not a theft, instead it is also commanded by God ever since. And all countries in the entire world are implementing
this according to their laws.
I don't think so my reasons are,,,first the government use the money realized from it for special duties and payment of salaries again for the maintenance of infrastructures and all that...secondly most countries budgets do come from their taxation. So its cool for a country or group of people to pay taxes
If most of the tax revenues were going for infrastructural projects, then I would have agreed with what you had posted. But nowadays, most of the government budget is wasted on waging wars and giving out salaries to the government employees.
I don't think so my reasons are,,,first the government use the money realized from it for special duties and payment of salaries again for the maintenance of infrastructures and all that...secondly most countries budgets do come from their taxation. So its cool for a country or group of people to pay taxes
Would it be cool if you were forced to pay a used car dealership for an old car of their choice, for the price of their choice? And if you didn't pay for the old car of their choice, then you might need to defend yourself or go to jail?
See you can walk away from that car dealership, and no one is forcing you to buy anything. But you can't walk away from paying the government. You are forced to purchase the service that the government is choosing to give you. If the price is too high for the service you get, you don't have the choice of saying "no thanks, I'll shop around".
In an ideal environment, the government will give you exactly what you'd want, but realistically the government gives you exactly what it wants. Then you're stuck with the bill.
In Medieval Iceland the legislators were called Chieftains who represented their Assemblymen (basically the head of a household). The Assemblymen were able to choose their Chieftan no matter where they lived. By having a choice of Chieftain it kept them in line. It put some competition in governance.
I don't think so my reasons are,,,first the government use the money realized from it for special duties and payment of salaries again for the maintenance of infrastructures and all that...secondly most countries budgets do come from their taxation. So its cool for a country or group of people to pay taxes
Would it be cool if you were forced to pay a used car dealership for an old car of their choice, for the price of their choice? And if you didn't pay for the old car of their choice, then you might need to defend yourself or go to jail?
See you can walk away from that car dealership, and no one is forcing you to buy anything. But you can't walk away from paying the government. You are forced to purchase the service that the government is choosing to give you. If the price is too high for the service you get, you don't have the choice of saying "no thanks, I'll shop around".
In an ideal environment, the government will give you exactly what you'd want, but realistically the government gives you exactly what it wants. Then you're stuck with the bill.
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