Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 39. (Read 75960 times)

If Crowdflower goes down, are they open source so that anyone could maintain their development, and the coin keep going?

Crowdflower will deliver capchas to your desktop, you solve them, then they give you bitcoin. The employer who hires crowdflower to subcontract to you is a spammer of course.

More practical as a currency would be have an algorithm that allows any human input, then have people respond to that input, or reate bots to respond to it if they can.

For example

1) You receive questions on the blockchain and are paid a coin to answer them, or to create a bot that can answer them.

2) Somebody else who wants your work, or who wants to subcontract bot technology, provides their latest algorithm for generating questions.

You would have a coin that could be used to subcontract any kind of development quickly and results based with no bureaucracy.

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If your goal is specifically spam then you could make a coin like that but hopefully nobody would support it.

Thanks. I looked at CrowdFlower. I don't see that it is doing what I had in mind.

I was thinking of something where the average guy could:
1. Download the Captchacoin client just like you download Bitcoin-core;
2. Install it on your computer in just the same way;
3. "Mine" captchacoins by solving captchas which the client would create and place on your screen.

The client would provide complex (but doable by anyone) captchas right on your screen, and when you solved them you would get a coin. The more you solved, the more coins you would get. They would be stored in your wallet, and when you went back online, they would be uploaded to the Captchacoin blockchain as yours, in one of your wallets. If your OS or computer were in need of an upgrade, and the system crashed, your latest captchacoins might be lost.

The more coins that were mined, the less the value of each, not because of any client-built-in devaluation, but because the more of anything that there is, the less rare it is, and the less value it has. People would have to keep mining to keep value. In general, hodling would be of no value. This means that people would have to trade their coins for cash, gold or products if they wanted to maintain value. This means that there would be a growing market created.

If devs wanted some value to remain, the whole client could be built in such a way that later coins only held partial value of earlier coins, based on some simple "halving" algorithm... something like mining bitcoin blocks changes every 4 years. The halving wouldn't be based on time, but based directly on the blockchain record number of coins. There would be no limit as to the number of coins that could be mined/solved.

Does CrowdFlower provide the ability to do something like that?

There are already companies like CrowdFlower https://www.crowdflower.com/ that do that, a coin would just be a little more efficient.

But instead of filling capchas, could do more complex tasks, but those more complex tasks would have to evolve and be built around something useful.

Somebody should start a cryptocurrency called "Captchacoin." Since that name is already taken, we'd have to find a different one.

It would work like this:
1. Coins are introduced by reading captcha's in the client.
2. The faster you can type to match the captcha's on your screen, the more captchacoins you get.
3. If you stop for a month while on vacation, the value of your captchacoins will go down, because of everyone else doing it; more coins means less value for each.
4. The faster you can type accurately, the more coins you get.
5. In the long run, there will be so many people doing it, that the price will level off.
6. There will be no miners with $millions in equipment necessary.

This is a start towards the idea. Anybody want to develop it with me? Because it is something anybody can do, it will become popular and widespread in a short time. It will also change the wealth of the world into the humble hands of the poor.

The above points are just the basics. Anybody want to add his valued thoughts to make it practical?

Japan approved bitcoin as a method of payment, so it has some government 'authority' as currency.

People use the currency that is easiest and has the most benefits. If somebody has a gun to your head and tells you to use their currency, it is easiest to do that.

Today more people realize that the conventional economic systems are wasting vast resources. Cryptocurrency will let people, including those in organizations like government, use computing power tied to currency to incentivize certain things and spur rapid development in certain areas. If science coins were to take the place of 1/10,000th of the fiat economy there would be rapid cures found to many diseases. Once algorithms become more complex there will be new fields of mathematics developed on a regular basis.

Bitcoin itself is a wasteful currency, akin to "central bankers" or whatever.

Useful coins rule.

Notice the recent jump in the price of Bitcoin? Two months ago it was barely above $1,000. The changes were basically because of the Japanese and Chinese Governments destabilizing their currencies somewhat.

Think about what will happen when the freer people in the world realize that there are few if any controls on Bitcoin. And that virtually none of the controls are Governmental. They'll dive at Bitcoin, and the price will go to an easy $100,000 in two months. The Government and banker controlled world money system will collapse in one day... if not with that surge, then with the next one.

Building a society around law enforcement is not smart.


But the question isn't really about 0.0001% of taxes spent on streetlights, it is about the high percentage spent on 'defense', housing marijuana smokers and the mentally ill in prisons, etc.

The solution is a crypto based economy that involves consensus spending, with smarter people individually having an edge to insert occasional checks and balances, rather than gangs of power crazy bureaucrats running amok.

The trillions wasted on nonsense could easily be diverted or redirected to science and space programs that would solve a lot of problems at once. The price would be shifted to mass casualties that would be involved in a space program. A better path.

With the protection we get from our law enforcements and other social amenities, we shouldn't be saying that taxation is a theft though we can be over taxed at times, I think in the end taxation is really important to the economy of every country.

Only if you're taking it literally. This doesn't have to be a power plant, but a bus service that will take their kids to school every day, a teacher that will teach these kids in a classroom, which is much cheaper than private tutoring, street lamps, pavements, emergency services... All those things are provided and maintained with taxes.

But people don't change. They still have arms and legs, a torso and head, hands and feet. And they still have good and evil planted in their hearts. At the same time, almost 100% of them are not mind readers.

This means that there is at least some little trust of strangers, even though you never know, until you get to know them. Be prepared to protect yourself against the stranger, or against the stray thoughts of people who you consider friends. You know that you, yourself, have had stray thoughts against your friends once in a while.

When you know that you can protect yourself, and when you know that irresponsible use of your self protection will bring down worse troubles onto you than petty disagreements and anger, you will use your "self protection" wisely.

AHAHAHAH
Sorry man but that's pretty funny xD
You know I had trouble finding info about this protest because we have massive protest right now, hundreds of thousands of people protesting against state security (which we consider too high) and for the migrants. This protest you're talking about is a complete bullshit. They're old rich ladies of extreme right wing who never had any problem with migrants as they're living in the most beautiful places of Paris! Those are the same who voted a law to fine people looting the garbage!!! You imagine? There is a part of Paris where poor people scavanging food in the trash ARE FINED!
I don't have much respect for those people.
And that's where the extortion is important!
Because indeed, I could think like you. But that wouldn't be the truth.
That would be forgetting that if I have the skills to make money it's because my education was paid by the state.
That would be forgetting that if I have the time to make money that's because the state took care of my mother in law sickness.


AND THE MOST IMPORTANT
I'm not "the only one to be held accountable" as you say.
In Franc eif you create a company and it fails, then you'll have tons of help from state to help your recover. You won't be out in the street at all! You'll be paid the time you find a new job (or a new idea) and if you bankrupted hard and have tons of debt, the government can erase all your debt (that's happening to thousands of people every year).

The idea is there, you pay if you succeed, but we help you if you fall.
Solidarity
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité"
"Freedom, equality, fraternity"
Don't see anything bad here.

COMPLETELY AGREED
For that I completely agree of course. Time and society change and we should be arranging the system all the time. That's why our poor form of representative democracy is really not suited for a good socialist system.
But the system and the ideas are good, the tools aren't perfect though

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OH MY GOD
This guy knows how to start posting on a forum!!!!
To hell what will be your posts when you're a legendary member? Keep some ammo man!

I support this list. And I'm pretty sad to not see my own country at the bottom. We would have a lot to learn from our neigbours.

Did anyone see the Mickel Moore movie "where to invade next"? It's pretty awesome. He makes a road trip in Europe and everytime he takes what each country has best done. Of course USA has pretty much the exact opposite as they hate nothing more than socialism, but frankly, each European country should inspire from this movie and check what their neighbours are doing better than then.

Yet, there is nothing wrong with money that is simply used as a means of exchange. It makes barter a whole lot easier in many circumstances.

The bad part comes in when some shrewd people use it to slyly steal from unsuspecting, honest users of money.

Historically fiat money is part of the same mechanism that involves enforced consent for taxation.

Most people in fiat economies do not protest what money is spent on because they are all appendages of the beast, their will is projected onto the bureaucrats whose will is projected onto the construct. If you ask them if it was right to spend trillions of dollars killing millions of people thousands of miles away, they will stare blankly ahead, not even blinking to clean their eyes, and say "huh?".

The crypto economy hopefully will oblige people to think about currency or pay a price for their zombieism.

Awesome. Sign me up for the government that is so good I would voluntarily pay for their services. And it would be so awesome that they would not need to use extortion to get you to pay.

Where is this magical fairy land?

In your example there is one error. When he collected money from all and built a powerhouse that everyone who gave money for its construction must receive electricity for free. In our life we sell electricity. It turns out we're paying twice. And the income goes into someone else's pocket.

Nicely said. On one hand we need some taxes, to buy some things that we as individuals can't afford, but may need it, on the other the taxes are slowly killing us, because they are used to finance things that don't directly concern us or that we don't need.

I'll give you an example. You have a small community of houses, no external taxes, and the houses are surrounded by a valley with a lake and a stream. It doesn't belong to a single individual, but to the community. Now, one of you has an idea to build a power plant on the stream and connect his house, but he hasn't got enough cash and the stream is not his to govern, so he gathers money from all neighbors, builds a plant and connects all their houses to free power. Taxes did their job.

Nearby there's another guy, who wants to regulate the stream and plant bushes near the lake, because he doesn't like how it looks. He comes to you and wants you to chip in, because the land belongs to everyone. You don't want to pay for it, because you like the lake as it is, so he comes with some people and threatens you, because most people paid and you did not, you're stopping the investment. You pay to avoid the beating, and taxes did their job again.

What does that even mean? xD
And if you give this freedom to people the ones who don't benefit from it will refuse it.
What I mean is that those actions are beneficial to society and are beneficial to everyone ON THE LONG RUN.
But humans are really bad at understanding long term benefits against short term ones... Animal instinct. That's why government is here to make everyone participate to the global benefits.
If what you really want is complete and absolute freedom...
Then sorry man but you can't have it.
Simply because you live with other humans surrounding you. Those humans will have interactions with you. Thus you (as a society) will define rules to govern those interactions.
And Boom. Government is born.

We, for example, have taxes exceeding permissible norms and the state specifically does not allow a person to develop. At the same time, there is no support in the country for free medical care or education.