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legendary
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May 16, 2017, 03:37:25 AM
On the one side, nobody disputes that taxes are handled poorly by governments and usually administered by assholes who consider it their duty to terrorize citizens into paying taxes.

On the other side though, is that some taxes are spent well, even if most are not.

People should have a line item veto for what taxes are spent on, but at this point the concept of taxation has turned into such a dark subject that some people would rather have no services than good services https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/us/anti-tax-fervor-roseburg-oregon-.html

Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.
newbie
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May 16, 2017, 01:40:56 AM
On the one side, nobody disputes that taxes are handled poorly by governments and usually administered by assholes who consider it their duty to terrorize citizens into paying taxes.

On the other side though, is that some taxes are spent well, even if most are not.

People should have a line item veto for what taxes are spent on, but at this point the concept of taxation has turned into such a dark subject that some people would rather have no services than good services https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/us/anti-tax-fervor-roseburg-oregon-.html
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 07:18:03 PM
Taxes are a defect of humanity, because even in ancient times rulers plundered their people with taxes, and today the situation repeats with the same accuracy.
This happens because people have not learned to control the power. Taxes can not live with no state, but there are no mechanisms of control over the flow of public money. Maybe because they are not enough on all programs.
legendary
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May 15, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
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Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.
Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.


The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

Cool

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Cool

So if you got a basic income and you get a cancer, treatment costing about 2 or 3 millions, how do you do?
You die?
Because it doesn't matter how hard you work or how honest you are, you can't get 3 millions normal way.

So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...
legendary
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May 15, 2017, 06:43:50 PM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?
How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?
Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...
The Medicare is partially financed through a special tax on all employees, a certain percentage of which they pay themselves, the other to the employer. In General, this tax is about 15 % of the income of employed Americans of the United States. The other part of Medicare is financed from General income tax revenues. And then there is Medicaid.
There are more programs or politics like medicare, taxation are used to do a lot of improvement and investment for a country.

Invest in the country in which I live, if you want. But don't steal my property from me to do it.

Cool
full member
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May 15, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
Taxes are a defect of humanity, because even in ancient times rulers plundered their people with taxes, and today the situation repeats with the same accuracy.
full member
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May 15, 2017, 05:52:05 PM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?
How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?
Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...
The Medicare is partially financed through a special tax on all employees, a certain percentage of which they pay themselves, the other to the employer. In General, this tax is about 15 % of the income of employed Americans of the United States. The other part of Medicare is financed from General income tax revenues. And then there is Medicaid.
There are more programs or politics like medicare, taxation are used to do a lot of improvement and investment for a country.
newbie
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May 15, 2017, 02:21:51 PM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?
How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?
Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...
The Medicare is partially financed through a special tax on all employees, a certain percentage of which they pay themselves, the other to the employer. In General, this tax is about 15 % of the income of employed Americans of the United States. The other part of Medicare is financed from General income tax revenues. And then there is Medicaid.
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
An average cop in north america makes over $80,000. Now add in all the prosecutors, probation officers, judges, sheriffs, bail bondsmen, not to mention all the federal law enforcers and politicians. It's very clear to see that they don't plan on cutting their own consumption any time soon. And why would they, when they can simply print more money to keep the masses happy and well-fed? Why would they suffer themselves when they can just build more prisons, pass new laws, and amend previous laws?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23kmhc3P8U

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On top of that, our traffic cops have quotas on the number of tickets they need to issue.

Step 1 - build poor transportation infrastructure to cause a traffic jam
Step 2 - decrease the speed limit after the traffic jam
Step 3 - set up a hidden speed trap with a radar

Now everyone is safe right...god forbid they let those criminals actually get to work or back home on their commute without a penalty

Meanwhile a pedophile goes unnoticed.
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 10:14:28 AM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?
How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?
Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...
sr. member
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Merit: 255
May 15, 2017, 09:57:11 AM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?
How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?
legendary
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May 15, 2017, 09:54:18 AM
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Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.
Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.


The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

Cool

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Cool

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

Just the idea of social obligation without voluntary joining ones self to such social obligation is a form of theft. The theft is that those who want social obligation are forcing those who don't want it into the mentality of it.

Good. Get rid of welfare.

Police in the States aren't required to do anything, by law.

Wrong. Without taxes, if you want police protection, pay for it directly. Perhaps you own guns and don't need police protection. Why should you be forced to buy it through taxes?

Taxes are theft. Tax collectors are the thieves. Buy police protection to protect yourself from these tax collector thieves.

Cool
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 09:39:30 AM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.
member
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May 15, 2017, 09:36:48 AM
Taxation is not theft, I know many people here would love a world without government but the reality is despite some of the things you dislike about government, it allows society to function. Another way to look at taxation is to consider it as a rent for living in the society you live in, no one would say its theft to pay rent on a car/house but for some reason people seem to think differently when its the government doing it.
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May 15, 2017, 09:30:08 AM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...


Many people who regularly pay taxes in difficult times can be without the help of the state and they will need to rely only on themselves or on someone else.
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 09:01:44 AM
Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...
full member
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May 15, 2017, 08:48:50 AM
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Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.
Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.


The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

Cool

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Cool

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

Paper money can in fact be printed in any quantity to provide the state, and taxes are made of slave people not allowing them to live normally.
hero member
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May 15, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
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Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.
Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.


The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

Cool

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Cool

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 08:43:42 AM
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Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.
Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.


The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

Cool

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Cool

So if you got a basic income and you get a cancer, treatment costing about 2 or 3 millions, how do you do?
You die?
Because it doesn't matter how hard you work or how honest you are, you can't get 3 millions normal way.
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