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May 22, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

Precisely, thank you, Dwayne.

Guys, your ideals of communism will never work out - not because some evil conspiracy, but because they simply ignore human nature. Give poor person *free* (aka paid for by somebody else) money and what he will do? Make more poor people in his wake. You cant solve all world issues through money printing, however tempting that might be.

Educating said poor on how to properly accumulate wealth and stay prudent would certainly help immensely, but thats not what your proposing here, is it? Education needs cooperation of the one being educated. Yet, we see less and less of that even among formerly affluent westerners. Who these days blame conspiracies, "niggers", christians, illuminati, ie. anybody but themselves for that fact, that they lost sight of faith, work ethics and prudence, that made their forefathers rich in the first place.

Socialists need a mirror, that they cant ignore, not more tools for wealth redistribution.

Tss...
How to explain you in a simple way that you're wrong?

Ok let's see this: France is historically the most socialist country in Europe and probably the most socialist country in the civilized world.
Still we have a birthrate of only 1.99 which is under the renewable birthrate.

Moreove to put it simply:
Not socialism = inequalities will only rise
Socialism = inequalities are a bit soften by the state redistributing wealth.

I don't understand what you're against in socialism. You don't want people to pay taxes? Then it means you'd rather let people die than pay for their health? Because you do understand that people can't pay for important cure like cancer right? Even if they work hard...

France? The country with massive debts and security of third world nations?

Let me ask you one simple question. What are you doing on Bitcointalk forum, making profit taking all the risk on yourself while aswell keeping the said profit for yourself? How does that conform to your socialistic views and wealth redistribution, when you are not giving all your bitcoins to the French republic?

I am a christian. I will help others to my best knowledge. Because I believe it is right thing to do, something that make us different from mere animals, not because of fear of state authorities or worse, because I reduced all the problems of human existence to green papers.

Free health care for everybody? Sure, lets have a talk about it, we might find a common ground. But dont you dare to force me pay for it at knife point, you are not a God and neither is your corrupt, broken state.
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May 22, 2017, 12:41:02 PM
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Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

The money spent invading Iraq could have bought cheap housing for 90% of America's homeless, and still be money left over to feed 10 million hungry people in the 3rd world for 10 years. Pulled those numbers out of my ass but they are probably close.

A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

War is a business where some die for others to make money. Arms manufacturers, military contractors, construction companies that are in charge of post-war reconstruction works, oil companies, etc. War is disguised of ideals such as peace or democracy but in reality it´s just a business, this is why wars are made in countries with oil or other natural or geostrategic resources. Something similar happens with hunger and poverty. Hunger and poverty allow large companies to set up their factories in these countries for a wretched salary, hunger and poverty serve to have weak countries whose natural resources can be easily dispossessed and also serve to create the kind of baldness that generates civil wars, which are also a business.
I'm already looking at my life and can not see anything normal due to the fact that I have practically nothing personal. The authorities in my country have taxed everything from land to even real estate. And the fact is that it turns out that before all my personal things, someone has something to do. And I do not even understand how I can feel at home.
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May 22, 2017, 12:28:47 PM
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Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

The money spent invading Iraq could have bought cheap housing for 90% of America's homeless, and still be money left over to feed 10 million hungry people in the 3rd world for 10 years. Pulled those numbers out of my ass but they are probably close.

A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

War is a business where some die for others to make money. Arms manufacturers, military contractors, construction companies that are in charge of post-war reconstruction works, oil companies, etc. War is disguised of ideals such as peace or democracy but in reality it´s just a business, this is why wars are made in countries with oil or other natural or geostrategic resources. Something similar happens with hunger and poverty. Hunger and poverty allow large companies to set up their factories in these countries for a wretched salary, hunger and poverty serve to have weak countries whose natural resources can be easily dispossessed and also serve to create the kind of baldness that generates civil wars, which are also a business.
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May 22, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Yes it is! I never gave permission for the government to steal my money!
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May 22, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
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A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

People who seek military and political power always do it for their own peculiar psychological reasons, but they couch their ambition in glowing terms, i.e., they want to 'protect liberty'. 'defend' something etc.

They will always find a justification for their mischief and loads of buddies with the same problem to back up their opinions with guns.

The problem is that fake wars create fake heroes and fake problems lead to fake solutions which do not work long term.

It would be a good thing for any number of people to try for some important goal, like extending humanity to outer space, even if 90% of them died. The deaths would be for something useful. But feeding millions of people into a corporate theater company to die miserable deaths so some sociopaths with power can gloat about their 'vision' and 'the tough decisions they make', is getting boring.

 Roll Eyes
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May 22, 2017, 11:27:34 AM
If tax money is taken by force and given to the rich, then it should be considered theft. This is the case in the majority of countries.

If we voluntarily contribute to a socialized system (like socialized medical insurance), then it is not theft.
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May 22, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

Precisely, thank you, Dwayne.

Guys, your ideals of communism will never work out - not because some evil conspiracy, but because they simply ignore human nature. Give poor person *free* (aka paid for by somebody else) money and what he will do? Make more poor people in his wake. You cant solve all world issues through money printing, however tempting that might be.

Educating said poor on how to properly accumulate wealth and stay prudent would certainly help immensely, but thats not what your proposing here, is it? Education needs cooperation of the one being educated. Yet, we see less and less of that even among formerly affluent westerners. Who these days blame conspiracies, "niggers", christians, illuminati, ie. anybody but themselves for that fact, that they lost sight of faith, work ethics and prudence, that made their forefathers rich in the first place.

Socialists need a mirror, that they cant ignore, not more tools for wealth redistribution.

Tss...
How to explain you in a simple way that you're wrong?

Ok let's see this: France is historically the most socialist country in Europe and probably the most socialist country in the civilized world.
Still we have a birthrate of only 1.99 which is under the renewable birthrate.

Moreove to put it simply:
Not socialism = inequalities will only rise
Socialism = inequalities are a bit soften by the state redistributing wealth.

I don't understand what you're against in socialism. You don't want people to pay taxes? Then it means you'd rather let people die than pay for their health? Because you do understand that people can't pay for important cure like cancer right? Even if they work hard...
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May 22, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

Precisely, thank you, Dwayne.

Guys, your ideals of communism will never work out - not because some evil conspiracy, but because they simply ignore human nature. Give poor person *free* (aka paid for by somebody else) money and what he will do? Make more poor people in his wake. You cant solve all world issues through money printing, however tempting that might be.

Educating said poor on how to properly accumulate wealth and stay prudent would certainly help immensely, but thats not what your proposing here, is it? Education needs cooperation of the one being educated. Yet, we see less and less of that even among formerly affluent westerners. Who these days blame conspiracies, "niggers", christians, illuminati, ie. anybody but themselves for that fact, that they lost sight of faith, work ethics and prudence, that made their forefathers rich in the first place.

Socialists need a mirror, that they cant ignore, not more tools for wealth redistribution.
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May 22, 2017, 09:00:13 AM
A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Awad_bin_Laden
This man fathered a total of 56 children by 22 wives. Who's going to feed all those beautiful babies?

See? That's what's wrong with America. We need slavery, not taxes.

The kids could be sold as slaves to some man, woman or family. In return for their support, they could go to school and work light jobs. Then, as they grew and became strong, they could work themselves out of their slavery, paying back their owners for raising them.

That's better than forcing society to raise them.

Of course, we would need laws to keep the owners from abusing their slaves. But child labor like this would produce some very smart, ingenious, hard working, future entrepreneurs... just because the kids would be in the form of, fight life or die.

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May 22, 2017, 03:41:39 AM
America is a "private property" country.
As soon as the banks start handing out mortgages and free money, there's no such thing as private property any more. Socialism and communism lead back to the jungle.


Taxation takes private property away from people.
If you want free health care and pleasure and comfort, somebody has to pay.

Whatever you get, somebody has to make it or do it for you. Be honorable. Buy it. Don't steal the money from others through taxation. Rather, work for what you get, and buy it.

Cool

And if you work hard but can't pay simply because the cost is above what a normal human can pay, then die.
No one cares if you got a cancer.
No one will pay for you and help you.
So just take you and your cancer and go die somewhere else.

And it's socialists who are the savages  Roll Eyes
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May 22, 2017, 01:59:45 AM
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Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

The money spent invading Iraq could have bought cheap housing for 90% of America's homeless, and still be money left over to feed 10 million hungry people in the 3rd world for 10 years. Pulled those numbers out of my ass but they are probably close.

A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?
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May 22, 2017, 01:47:01 AM
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Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

The money spent invading Iraq could have bought cheap housing for 90% of America's homeless, and still be money left over to feed 10 million hungry people in the 3rd world for 10 years. Pulled those numbers out of my ass but they are probably close.
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May 21, 2017, 06:04:07 AM
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
I will support your statement that taxation is not a
Theft, actually it is a legal matter even in the bible it is written there that we need to pay for tax to our government.

Cant speak for United States, but in Europe overwhelming majority of fees and taxes are being redistributed to welfare and health care with only about 5% used on defense.

That doesnt mean "means justify the end" however. Vast governments (with as much as 10% of population directly employed by it) consume alot of tax revenue just to sustain itself, also the concept of "social justice" take precedence before both families and God in these secular countries. What does it mean in practice is complete disconnect between those who are net givers and those who are only takers. Basically, putting the former into the role of unwilling slaves.

This obssesion with equality of results and not opportunities took alot of vitality and life out of Europe.
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May 21, 2017, 05:44:27 AM
America is a "private property" country.
As soon as the banks start handing out mortgages and free money, there's no such thing as private property any more. Socialism and communism lead back to the jungle.


Taxation takes private property away from people.
If you want free health care and pleasure and comfort, somebody has to pay.

Whatever you get, somebody has to make it or do it for you. Be honorable. Buy it. Don't steal the money from others through taxation. Rather, work for what you get, and buy it.

Cool

Alright but sometimes taxation is just to maintain the wealth of a country economically. To also avoid all the money from being exported to other countries. Taxation also is a means to get budget in order to help the citizens. But there are really others who avoid taxes and the main example here is th church. I don't have something bad against them i just use them as an example. And we can notice it is rich in many ways.
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May 21, 2017, 05:33:50 AM
America is a "private property" country.
As soon as the banks start handing out mortgages and free money, there's no such thing as private property any more. Socialism and communism lead back to the jungle.


Taxation takes private property away from people.
If you want free health care and pleasure and comfort, somebody has to pay.

Whatever you get, somebody has to make it or do it for you. Be honorable. Buy it. Don't steal the money from others through taxation. Rather, work for what you get, and buy it.

Cool
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May 21, 2017, 04:29:40 AM
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
I will support your statement that taxation is not a
Theft, actually it is a legal matter even in the bible it is written there that we need to pay for tax to our government.

Along with Bible support for taxes is Bible support for obeying the laws of your country.

The US Constitution says no un-apportioned taxes. The income tax is an excise tax that operates like an un-apportioned tax. Thus, it is a tax that uses a legal loophole to make it work, but also one that is against the spirit of the founding documents.

But, in America there is deeper law than that. America is a "private property" country. Taxation takes private property away from people. The only reason why people lose in court is, a few Government people have found how to use the law in ways that the people don't understand. If the people all understood what Karl Lentz (http://www.broadmind.org/ - Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz Common law"), personal taxation would be gone.

If personal taxation were gone, Government would have to get its money from the legal places - taxes on interstate transportation, and on USA import/export. Government would shrink, jobs would come back to America, and America would become the strongest nation in the world, economically, again.

So, it is the criminal taxation in America that is stealing from people and bringing the whole nation down.

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May 21, 2017, 03:33:55 AM
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
I will support your statement that taxation is not a
Theft, actually it is a legal matter even in the bible it is written there that we need to pay for tax to our government.
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May 16, 2017, 10:31:05 AM
So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...

Yeah clearly humans aren't special at all.
Nooooooooooooooot at all. Says the guy behind his computer writing on the net.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT SPECIAL!

You're the kind of guy explaining that "this is not natural" while using a computer or a smartphone...

Clearly humans are extremely special. In what way?

God built the whole universe for us.

God gave us the ability to manipulate His strength so we could have free will... we weren't strong enough to do the least of anything on our own.

When we used God's strength to aim everything towards destruction, God gave us a way out - called Jesus salvation - but still didn't take our free will away.

We are the children of God. We are tiny infants, more like embryos, not even fetuses. It will take us all eternity to be like our Parent. But when we become like Him, even eternity will be as nothing for us regarding the strength and ability we will have.

Come and join us as brothers and sisters, children of God, and take up your place in the greatness of things.

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May 16, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...

Yeah clearly humans aren't special at all.
Nooooooooooooooot at all. Says the guy behind his computer writing on the net.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT SPECIAL!

You're the kind of guy explaining that "this is not natural" while using a computer or a smartphone...
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May 16, 2017, 07:30:03 AM
So if you got a basic income and you get a cancer, treatment costing about 2 or 3 millions, how do you do?
You die?
Because it doesn't matter how hard you work or how honest you are, you can't get 3 millions normal way.

So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Omg man I keep your comment it's beautiful!
Thanks man

In fact human race is a kind of normal species and you know what happens in normal species if one member wants to keep every ressource of the group?
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