Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 45. (Read 76002 times)

Right!

Taxation is all about some people taking property away from other people without their permission and desire.

If someone wants to pay taxes, let him. Of course, then it is not taxes. Then it is donations.

The topic of taxes is very relevant today, especially since every country of its citizens is beginning to strangle with taxes more and more. It seems that not only my possessions and my money do not belong to me, but even I myself do not belong to myself anymore. I certainly understand that thanks to taxes paid by citizens of any country, it is for these finances that the state itself exists, But it turns out that officials abuse this.

The job market, the new slavery of our 21st century.
Completely wrong that's where the problem is :/
What you're describing is in a beautiful word with fair competition...
What actually happens is that the really big corporation are at first very competitive. They provide great services and innovate a lot...
Then as time goes by they have less and less concurents and become more and more powerful. And at a point they have a monopole in their sector, then they can do whatever they want.
That's what's happening in the whole insurance and banking system for example. But the same is true in great distribution, food production etc...So you mean Americans are 2.5 times more sick than Europeans?
No. That's just too much.
The explanation I'm trying to make is that overwhole the healthcare system in France is more efficient than the American one... Why? Because as French health system is public, they don't have to make profit.

Let's put it simply: a public service has to provide the same thing than a private one but WITHOUT MAKING PROFIT NOR ADVERTISEMENT
Then it's simply mathematically obvious that a public service will be less expensive...

USA is the country where everything is private. Economic freedom at its best... Well look how great it is: http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Awfulness.html

Cops aren't cool. Not at all.
They're just not completely crazy assholes shooting everyone contrary to US Cops
But that doesn't make them cool.
That makes them... Let's just say that it makes us not wanting to kill all cops that's all.

When the thief comes to steal from a family, he might be too strong for the family.

When this happens, several families get together, voluntarily, to form a very loose government wherein they protect each other from the thief.

When the thief sees this, he knows that he can't beat the joint families, so he gets together with other thieves in a loose government of thieves to fight the family government.

Some smarter thieves shrewdly infiltrate the government of families to leach off them.


The only way for the families to win is to maintain awareness of the family as the government. If people in America realized that they can invoke the jury in every circumstance - the jury of 12 of your fellow people - there would be a family operation of 12 family members to settle every dispute.

People are too dumb for this. The attorneys and judges see to it that they remain dumb. They see to it that people think that the word "judge" means that the judge is king in court. In the case of an American court, the judge is really a magistrate - a referee who simply sees that the court has order. The jury is the judge.

Yes BADecker that sounds really nice, but there is more problems in that than you want to admit, and you know it. If it was every family for it self, don't you think that will cause all kind of problems, people would fight a lot, even more than they fight now. There will always be people who would rather take from others than to work them self for something. And maybe it would be better if there was one government on the world, but even that would not mean that its Man against the God, that can not happen. Because even when communist forbid religion, there were those people who still believed and worship God. And in your case it would be every man for him/her self, and that would be end of use, and you know it. People need to stay together and build thinks together, but there is need for leader too, and even one man can be considered government so ....

Cops are cool everywhere in the European Union, and not just in Portugal (perhaps with the exception of certain eastern European nations such as Poland and Lithuania). The difference in the United States is due to the cultural variations.

It is a utopia. State should be. They share not just the territory they shared by peoples with different mentality and customs. Imagine if a Muslim from Syria or Afghanistan will come to America as a home. Or refugees to settle in Europe on the rights of the owners. No border is needed. But the state cannot exist without taxes.It turns out that taxes are also needed, and your God is lying.

Where do you draw the line? If governments exist, then it is every government for itself. If the whole world is under one government, then it is a war between the government of man and the government of God.

Rather, let every man be a government for himself and his family, the way God intended it in the first place.

No taxes, except in the family. Only free trade between families.

Yes i agree, and i would say that you are totally right about that. Because if governments did not exist, it would be every city for them self, and that would turn in all out war. Maybe even to some kind of monarchy, where there would be one man to lead, and in that case its same. There is no possible way of living without country, i mean there would not be safe way.

I have nothing against your opinion of government or the system.  What kind of slavery do you speak of? 

Prices can be regulated possibly, but the more common approach is to leave the price as it is and "subsidize" the cost for the buyer.  So prices will remain high, but a portion of our taxes would go towards the payment.  They can manipulate it either way really.

The point was that you said to give an example where private companies offer better service than public, and I gave an example of pathetic public service.  You wouldn't get that with a private company because you can simply choose not to do business with them ever again.  Eventually if everyone shared that sentiment, they'd have to improve their service or eventually go out of business.

I never said the health care in Canada is bad.  It's okay, but it is expensive and takes up a large chunk of our taxes.  But I know of wealthier folks that need serious medical attention fly over to the states to get their procedures done.

I'm not sure where you got the France vs. USA healthcare dollars from, but let's assume it's accurate.  You realize that the USA has a reactive healthcare system right?  And that the USA has by far the most unhealthy population in the world, which would require more reactive health care??
The reason it has a high dollar amount is because of the # of customers (unhealthy people requiring medical attention).  Europe in general is much more health conscious and eats more whole foods/less processed foods.  Finland for example has chef's in schools that teach kids about cooking and eating healthy.  I grew up with a cafeteria that sold burgers, pizza and fries, a McDonalds next to our high school and a vending machine that only sold pop/soda.  Why would we be as healthy as France?  Unless you take your health into your own hands, educate yourself on diet and have routine physical activity, the default is to eat garbage and get obese...and look at who has the most obese population in the world.

The easiest way to see that taxation is theft, is to realize that theft is taxation as well.

I'm not good. I'm an angry disgusted individual, obviously I won't pay any respect to systems, corporations and individuals that have enslaved my kind for centuries (not talking abou white vs blacks here)
Yeah or by regulating price itself. Government can say "ok now a college tuition can't go higher than 2000$"
I don't see your point, I just talked about co existing private and public...
Arf, if you think public healthcare is bad in Canada go look at the one in USA...

I'll make an easy comparison for you:
Healthcare industry is 5% of wealth production in France
It's 12% in USA
Guess who's more efficient here? Private or public?

Tax is good,

The Governments use taxation to encourage or discourage certain economic issues and decision.

The more people pay taxes the results are greater construction activities of infrastructure such as schools, roads, hospitals and other public facilities and also generates more jobs.

90% tax rate is insane. If that much tax is levied, then what will be left with the individual? Reminds me of the insane rates which were prevalent in India during the 1970s and the 1980s.

Police only "bully" citizens because of drug prohibition.  Before that police was seen similarly to firemen...helpful folks that are keeping a place safe.  Once drug prohibition started, the monetary reward for corruption and opportunity to profile people came about.  Around that same time, people started feeling less safe in the presence of the police.  Look at the police in Portugal, where are drugs are criminalized.  They're cool.

I'm not sure you understood what I said, but quick to call others stupid.  Obvious sign of a good dude
I'm not saying anything has fault...nor am I blaming private or public companies.  The marketplace dictates what the price of something will be based on simple supply and demand.  Now the government can manipulate that based on decreasing or increasing supply or demand.  Giving access to debt allows the price to increase and still have demand.  Many are not price sensitive when it comes to education.

You think public service in the USA is better than private?  I don't think many would agree with you.  Do you enjoy the customer experience of being in the DMV?  The public organization with no legal competition.  The monopolized public service.  It's a terrible customer experience, and the tax payers are forced to do business with them.  You can't go anywhere else to get a licence.

I don't think "private" or "public" businesses are bad.  It depends on how they're implemented and executed.  Our current public service is inefficient and has a poor level of service for the cost.  I don't think many would disagree (I live in Canada, but I'd say this for North America in general).  If the government hired passionate and interested people only, and minimized corruption and special interests, it could absolutely be great.  But it's not that way right now.

You say that because you know that you don't have to pay 90% of their income. I have no desire to pay even 45%. And if you're generous you can volunteer to pay 90% of their income to charity. There are no cops.

It surely is legalised theft for a part. Not all of the taxes are theft but some forms of really are

Of course the subject of taxes is of concern to all people because no one wants to part with their money especially when they spend for what is unknown. For this reason, in democratic countries do not endure the issues of paying taxes to a referendum.