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legendary
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January 16, 2017, 12:35:09 AM
Or, think of Social Security in America. Everybody who works on a job pays SS tax. Most people don't know that a simple letter to your employer can stop the SS deductions out of the paycheck. There are many people living off their Social Security, people who would have nothing, because they weren't smart enough to save up for old age.

IMO, the saving part must be left to the individuals. I don't want to pay a certain amount to the government, so that I get a monthly pension once I retire. I would rather invest that amount in some mutual fund or equity, and use it to take care of my expenses once I retire.

You are saving, then? You have some bitcoins and gold and silver and investments in land?

Many people don't know how to do this kind of investing. Sure, they are empowering a misguided government by their SS tax payments. But at least they might have a little something for old age.

How do you know for a fact that you investments won't fail?

I agree with you that people should not be depending on Government. But they go to Government schools, and are trained out of even common sense wisdom therein.

Cool
legendary
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January 15, 2017, 11:29:43 PM
Or, think of Social Security in America. Everybody who works on a job pays SS tax. Most people don't know that a simple letter to your employer can stop the SS deductions out of the paycheck. There are many people living off their Social Security, people who would have nothing, because they weren't smart enough to save up for old age.

IMO, the saving part must be left to the individuals. I don't want to pay a certain amount to the government, so that I get a monthly pension once I retire. I would rather invest that amount in some mutual fund or equity, and use it to take care of my expenses once I retire.
legendary
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January 15, 2017, 10:49:08 PM


Government people offer a benefit. If I don't want a government benefit, why should I pay for it?

It's for the greater good. You know wars, debt, incompetent education system, public roads that fall apart, and health services with corrupt doctors.

What is your problem with that? Are you are racist?





If I want road usage, let me pay for it through buying it, not through taxation. Or let me build my own roads.


Yes but if government roads would not fall apart, then who would give job to road workers? Because it's clearly a productive economic activity to build a shitty road and then fix it.

I mean earthquakes are definitely the most economically productive thing in the universe. Because it gives job to alot of architects, building workers, engineers.


Also if you have a car, you should break the window of it, and then spend money to repair it, because that gives jobs to the car mechanic, so your are helping the economy.


This is the wonderful keynesian economic theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics


Thank you.    Cool
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January 15, 2017, 05:58:17 PM


Government people offer a benefit. If I don't want a government benefit, why should I pay for it?

It's for the greater good. You know wars, debt, incompetent education system, public roads that fall apart, and health services with corrupt doctors.

What is your problem with that? Are you are racist?





If I want road usage, let me pay for it through buying it, not through taxation. Or let me build my own roads.


Yes but if government roads would not fall apart, then who would give job to road workers? Because it's clearly a productive economic activity to build a shitty road and then fix it.

I mean earthquakes are definitely the most economically productive thing in the universe. Because it gives job to alot of architects, building workers, engineers.


Also if you have a car, you should break the window of it, and then spend money to repair it, because that gives jobs to the car mechanic, so your are helping the economy.


This is the wonderful keynesian economic theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics


legendary
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January 15, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
For me imposing tax is needed to run an entire country. Who will pay for salary of government officials and staffs? Government can't do that by themselves only. The citizens is the life of a country. Without tax, theres no schools, hospitals and any government establishments that gives us benefits in return. But sometimes, government is just too abusive. They impose to much tax.

In my country, the salaried people have to pay their taxes. And even after that, we have to pay a toll tax to use some of the roads, and there is a tuition fee in schools and colleges. The government-run hospitals are also not 100% free. So the question is, why should I pay my taxes?

The one, slight advantage is that things might get set up that you will need in the future. For example. You buy health insurance for a potential event that you might need a hospital and doctor sometime. If you never need these, it seems like wasted money to you. But it gets the hospital and doctor set up ahead of time, so that they are ready if you ever DO need them.

Or, think of Social Security in America. Everybody who works on a job pays SS tax. Most people don't know that a simple letter to your employer can stop the SS deductions out of the paycheck. There are many people living off their Social Security, people who would have nothing, because they weren't smart enough to save up for old age.

Cool
legendary
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January 15, 2017, 01:16:41 AM
For me imposing tax is needed to run an entire country. Who will pay for salary of government officials and staffs? Government can't do that by themselves only. The citizens is the life of a country. Without tax, theres no schools, hospitals and any government establishments that gives us benefits in return. But sometimes, government is just too abusive. They impose to much tax.

In my country, the salaried people have to pay their taxes. And even after that, we have to pay a toll tax to use some of the roads, and there is a tuition fee in schools and colleges. The government-run hospitals are also not 100% free. So the question is, why should I pay my taxes?
legendary
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January 14, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
For me imposing tax is needed to run an entire country. Who will pay for salary of government officials and staffs? Government can't do that by themselves only. The citizens is the life of a country. Without tax, theres no schools, hospitals and any government establishments that gives us benefits in return. But sometimes, government is just too abusive. They impose to much tax.

Government people offer a benefit. If I don't want a government benefit, why should I pay for it?

If I want road usage, let me pay for it through buying it, not through taxation. Or let me build my own roads.

If I don't want road usage, and if I can get through life without it, why should I pay for it?

Buy what you get from government through standard trade. Don't be forced into paying through taxation.

Cool
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January 14, 2017, 05:29:30 PM
For me imposing tax is needed to run an entire country. Who will pay for salary of government officials and staffs? Government can't do that by themselves only. The citizens is the life of a country. Without tax, theres no schools, hospitals and any government establishments that gives us benefits in return. But sometimes, government is just too abusive. They impose to much tax.
legendary
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January 14, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45


There is a difference between taxation and donation.    Cool

Yeah, if it was donation it would be written they might do it or it would be good to do it.
Whereas here it's an order and a description of what should be done.
First time I agree with Jesus though.

If God doesn't come down and order it directly, who has the right to order someone else to do something? Nobody, because all people are created equal - in spirit. So, if they give you an order, make them pay if you fill their order.

For example, the judge in court -just a man- orders you -just a man- to pay a fine for a traffic violation. Pay it, and send him a bill to cover the cost of the fine, and your time and expenses in court. After all, a judge - just a man - doesn't sit on the bench without getting paid for it. So, why should you - just a man - come to court without getting paid for it?

Cool
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January 13, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45


There is a difference between taxation and donation.    Cool

Yeah, if it was donation it would be written they might do it or it would be good to do it.
Whereas here it's an order and a description of what should be done.
First time I agree with Jesus though.
legendary
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January 11, 2017, 09:00:34 PM
"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45


There is a difference between taxation and donation.    Cool
legendary
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January 11, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
You're funding the very government that protects your ass from terrorists and invaders. How's that theft?

Where do you live?
In the countries I've been, governments do not protect people's ass from terrorists and invaders.
Governments have also failed to protect the environment. At last, they've very successful protecting the interests and well-being of the whole political class.
sr. member
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January 11, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

It depends on the officials of your country or state..You can call it a theft if the tax went to the pocket of corrupt officials. Otherwise tax is important in a country's development for the good of its people.
hero member
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January 11, 2017, 12:24:12 PM
"And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
-Acts 2:44-45
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January 11, 2017, 11:11:38 AM
You're funding the very government that protects your ass from terrorists and invaders. How's that theft?
The very government who are also funding the terrorists and invaders. Using our very own money to kill a lot of innocent people. Forgot about state sponsored terrorism? How is that not a theft??
member
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January 11, 2017, 09:00:28 AM
You're funding the very government that protects your ass from terrorists and invaders. How's that theft?
sr. member
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January 11, 2017, 08:47:59 AM
No it is not theft. You get something in return for the tax you pay. It has always been like this. In the early days, the taxes was collected to give  you protection from bandits etc. Today taxes are used for all sorts of things.
Why, then, are taxes not enough? I think that if the government hadn't stolen the taxes that the people would live much better. On the other hand people are to blame that vote for those who they are robbing.
sr. member
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January 11, 2017, 08:30:45 AM
No it is not theft. You get something in return for the tax you pay. It has always been like this. In the early days, the taxes was collected to give  you protection from bandits etc. Today taxes are used for all sorts of things.
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January 11, 2017, 07:03:59 AM
Interestingly in all countries, officials steal. On the forum no one said that in his country, officials honest. It turns out that theft is a common issue in all countries. Why then do we need these officials?

Contrary to your belief, there are a number of countries, where the officials are not allowed to "steal". Switzerland is a perfect example. Outside of Europe, Singapore would make a good example. Japan, to some extent is also free from political corruption.

Well shouldn't it be prohibited everywhere not steal? In the first place, stealing on its own is an immoral act. Anyhow, I guess what we actually want to point out instead is that there really are countries where the people are more mindful of their government, that is why the officials would rather not to steal.

The citizens of a country usually gets the type of government which they deserve. Those in Singapore and Switzerland are not tolerant of corruption, and therefore they don't allow corrupt officials to get elected. On the other hand, the Sub Saharan Africans and South Asians are more tolerant towards corruption, and they elect officials on the basis of race, caste and creed.
There is a country worse than Africa. Russia. There do not choose politicians who have no stolen millions. All politicians in Russia are thieves. I think that's why almost all Russian is very poor.
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January 11, 2017, 05:58:57 AM
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Well if it goes directly to a few greedy people's pockets then there's no question that we are being robbed. Though if it goes true to it's porpose and implemented honestly, it can better any nation's progress. The only problem really is it's very prone to corrupt people that holds high offices.
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