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January 08, 2017, 01:31:07 PM
#89
Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

The people in Russia are rich, when compared to those living in the neighboring nations (such as Ukraine and Moldova). Russia and Saudi Arabia produces almost the same amount of oil. But the difference is that, the profits in Russia must be divided among 145 million people, while there are only around 20 million citizens in Saudi Arabia.
The standard of living in Russia is not higher than in neighbouring countries. This myth of Putin's propaganda. Takes statistics the median income but is not taken into account that 72% of Russians live on an income less than 250 dollars a month.
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January 08, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
#88
And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

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The difference between the oil revenues in Russia and Saudi Arabia is that unlike the latter, the Russian government receives only a part of the revenues from crude oil sales. Many of the oil companies are privately owned (such as Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Novatek). Even in the state-owned Rosneft, close to 50% of the shares are held by foreigners. In Saudi Arabia, Aramco is 100% owned by the government. Therefore, all the revenues go directly to the treasury.

Because the underlying law in Russia is civil law, and civil law that has a violent history, the Russian Government can change ownership any time it wants. Taking over companies by eliminating private ownership might not be wise, because it was part of what the whole U.S.S.R. was based on, and it didn't work out so well. The point is that they can do it if they want.

Cool
In fact, in Russia there is a law on the protection of foreign investments. All businessmen who have big business trying to protect it through foreign investment. In fact it is their own capital only opened to Russia from abroad.

Nice law. Laws can be repealed, or overridden by other laws, whenever the government thinks there is a need to do so.

Cool
The law is good, but they are not good people. That is why Russia is a country with very large reserves and very poor people. Everything in other countries working for the good of Russia brings harm.

Let's translate what you are saying.

Government is made out of people. They are real flesh and blood people, just like the citizens.
This means that it is people hurting other people.

Government is supposed to be there to protect people. If it hurts people, it isn't doing the thing it is there for. Why would anyone need Government?
This means that it is people hurting other people.

Some citizens who work for Government - soldiers, police, office workers - think Government is good. How can we show them that Government is bad? How many of them know government is bad, yet keep on working for Government, and even doing dirty work for Government people?

How many average, non-Government-worker citizens think Government is good? How can we show them that Government is bad?

Same in all the governments except for a few small ones.

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January 07, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
#87
And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool

The difference between the oil revenues in Russia and Saudi Arabia is that unlike the latter, the Russian government receives only a part of the revenues from crude oil sales. Many of the oil companies are privately owned (such as Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Novatek). Even in the state-owned Rosneft, close to 50% of the shares are held by foreigners. In Saudi Arabia, Aramco is 100% owned by the government. Therefore, all the revenues go directly to the treasury.

Because the underlying law in Russia is civil law, and civil law that has a violent history, the Russian Government can change ownership any time it wants. Taking over companies by eliminating private ownership might not be wise, because it was part of what the whole U.S.S.R. was based on, and it didn't work out so well. The point is that they can do it if they want.

Cool
In fact, in Russia there is a law on the protection of foreign investments. All businessmen who have big business trying to protect it through foreign investment. In fact it is their own capital only opened to Russia from abroad.

Nice law. Laws can be repealed, or overridden by other laws, whenever the government thinks there is a need to do so.

Cool
The law is good, but they are not good people. That is why Russia is a country with very large reserves and very poor people. Everything in other countries working for the good of Russia brings harm.
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January 07, 2017, 07:50:46 AM
#86
And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool

The difference between the oil revenues in Russia and Saudi Arabia is that unlike the latter, the Russian government receives only a part of the revenues from crude oil sales. Many of the oil companies are privately owned (such as Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Novatek). Even in the state-owned Rosneft, close to 50% of the shares are held by foreigners. In Saudi Arabia, Aramco is 100% owned by the government. Therefore, all the revenues go directly to the treasury.

Because the underlying law in Russia is civil law, and civil law that has a violent history, the Russian Government can change ownership any time it wants. Taking over companies by eliminating private ownership might not be wise, because it was part of what the whole U.S.S.R. was based on, and it didn't work out so well. The point is that they can do it if they want.

Cool
In fact, in Russia there is a law on the protection of foreign investments. All businessmen who have big business trying to protect it through foreign investment. In fact it is their own capital only opened to Russia from abroad.

Nice law. Laws can be repealed, or overridden by other laws, whenever the government thinks there is a need to do so.

Cool
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January 07, 2017, 07:37:16 AM
#85
And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool

The difference between the oil revenues in Russia and Saudi Arabia is that unlike the latter, the Russian government receives only a part of the revenues from crude oil sales. Many of the oil companies are privately owned (such as Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Novatek). Even in the state-owned Rosneft, close to 50% of the shares are held by foreigners. In Saudi Arabia, Aramco is 100% owned by the government. Therefore, all the revenues go directly to the treasury.

Because the underlying law in Russia is civil law, and civil law that has a violent history, the Russian Government can change ownership any time it wants. Taking over companies by eliminating private ownership might not be wise, because it was part of what the whole U.S.S.R. was based on, and it didn't work out so well. The point is that they can do it if they want.

Cool
In fact, in Russia there is a law on the protection of foreign investments. All businessmen who have big business trying to protect it through foreign investment. In fact it is their own capital only opened to Russia from abroad.
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January 07, 2017, 07:24:00 AM
#84
And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool

The difference between the oil revenues in Russia and Saudi Arabia is that unlike the latter, the Russian government receives only a part of the revenues from crude oil sales. Many of the oil companies are privately owned (such as Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Novatek). Even in the state-owned Rosneft, close to 50% of the shares are held by foreigners. In Saudi Arabia, Aramco is 100% owned by the government. Therefore, all the revenues go directly to the treasury.

Because the underlying law in Russia is civil law, and civil law that has a violent history, the Russian Government can change ownership any time it wants. Taking over companies by eliminating private ownership might not be wise, because it was part of what the whole U.S.S.R. was based on, and it didn't work out so well. The point is that they can do it if they want.

Cool
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January 07, 2017, 01:50:30 AM
#83
And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool

The difference between the oil revenues in Russia and Saudi Arabia is that unlike the latter, the Russian government receives only a part of the revenues from crude oil sales. Many of the oil companies are privately owned (such as Lukoil, Surgutneftegas and Novatek). Even in the state-owned Rosneft, close to 50% of the shares are held by foreigners. In Saudi Arabia, Aramco is 100% owned by the government. Therefore, all the revenues go directly to the treasury.
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January 06, 2017, 10:50:02 AM
#82
Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

The people in Russia are rich, when compared to those living in the neighboring nations (such as Ukraine and Moldova). Russia and Saudi Arabia produces almost the same amount of oil. But the difference is that, the profits in Russia must be divided among 145 million people, while there are only around 20 million citizens in Saudi Arabia.

And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool
[/qIn the far East, Russia has already hosted Chinese. They are just waiting for their chance and immediately bite site itself. In the Urals Tatars are waiting in the wings, the Caucasus, too, will not remain on the sidelines. So in Russia all is not well.uote]
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January 06, 2017, 10:14:57 AM
#81
I always consider taxation as a "legalized" form of theft  Roll Eyes
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January 06, 2017, 08:24:14 AM
#80
Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

The people in Russia are rich, when compared to those living in the neighboring nations (such as Ukraine and Moldova). Russia and Saudi Arabia produces almost the same amount of oil. But the difference is that, the profits in Russia must be divided among 145 million people, while there are only around 20 million citizens in Saudi Arabia.

And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.

Cool
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January 06, 2017, 04:31:28 AM
#79
Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

The people in Russia are rich, when compared to those living in the neighboring nations (such as Ukraine and Moldova). Russia and Saudi Arabia produces almost the same amount of oil. But the difference is that, the profits in Russia must be divided among 145 million people, while there are only around 20 million citizens in Saudi Arabia.
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January 05, 2017, 07:48:50 PM
#78
If they take it from you, it is theft. If you give it willingly, it isn't taxation.

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January 05, 2017, 12:19:05 PM
#77
In Africa taxation is deemed criminal by the masses, because the Government just spend it all on themselves.

Africa doesn't need any taxes. So much of natural resources (uranium, cobalt, tin, natural gas, petroleum, gold, diamonds.etc) are lying around there, which can be used for the enrichment of the general population.
Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.
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January 05, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
#76
In Africa taxation is deemed criminal by the masses, because the Government just spend it all on themselves.

Africa doesn't need any taxes. So much of natural resources (uranium, cobalt, tin, natural gas, petroleum, gold, diamonds.etc) are lying around there, which can be used for the enrichment of the general population.
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January 05, 2017, 11:46:20 AM
#75
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.


why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?


This is all so right...
Socialism must be linked with people power. Socialism with a strong government and weak people is in fact just a "gentle dictatorship" and nothing else. You need to have a real control on your government and have a real democracy not like the systems we have in Europe which are NOT democracies even if they want you to believe it.

And yes free market had only one finality: Corporation will rule the world.
Simply because free market means that the stronger will crush the weaks, so if a corporation is winning it will continue to win until it has a complete monopoly. And that's exactly what's happening in our world! Look at the number of companies and you'll see this number is literally shrinking down!
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January 05, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
#74
Yes, mostly.

We shall all understand that some tax is necessary to keep streets and roads safe and clean, but it takes very little tax money to pay for this useful service. Most of the tax money goes to useless or real bad things like welfare. Welfare is the biggest crime manhood has ever commited on nature. There are probably some 40 millions people living off welfare on Europe, they should all die. The sooner, the better. Only the strong shall survive. Ethiopia is a much nicer place with gentler people. Most Europeans now believe it is a God given right to spend their whole life without working, with an allowance from the state to have a decent life. Tax money has corrupted their minds. Sometimes I wish the whole economic system would just crash. People would be forced to work, just as it was a century ago, or as it is today in Ethiopia.

Thank you for bringing social Darwinism here.
This is something that is commonly said in ALL medias and that people believe nowadays.
But this thesis has nothing to be based on. There is NOTHING that proves that only the strong should survive. People say that like it's some kind of magical sentence that allows them to go for a completely free market where the strong eats the weak, but that is a complete nonsense and a failure from an evolution perspective.

It has been scientifically proven that Humanity is based on COOPERATION far more than on personal strength. Our entire evolution and development is NOT based on conflict but on helping each other.

By the way, the correct sentence isn't "only the strong should survive" but "survival of the fittest" which is entirely different. This kind of behaviours and thinking is currently leading us to the end of our evolution.
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January 05, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
#73
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.


Free market = free people?
Well no. Basically no.
You're saying socialism can't work for basic economic reasons.
Well here is a basic analysis:
Free market leads to fight between companies right? So consumers can get the best product or service?
Well problem is that one company will have the best product or service. And once it's the case the company will slowly eat the whole sector.
Just look out! Most companies are getting bigger and bigger! The end point of free market if one thing: monopoly. Thats exctly what's happening.

And I don't see how "socialism is bond to fail" ^^
If we take as an example Venezuela or Russia, that socialism can not exist, and if you take for example Sweden, this social model is very competitive. It all depends on the officials of the state and how much they steal.
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January 05, 2017, 08:37:28 AM
#72
Yes. Yes it is.

Big bully, bullies the smaller man.
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January 05, 2017, 07:54:49 AM
#71
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.


Free market = free people?
Well no. Basically no.
You're saying socialism can't work for basic economic reasons.
Well here is a basic analysis:
Free market leads to fight between companies right? So consumers can get the best product or service?
Well problem is that one company will have the best product or service. And once it's the case the company will slowly eat the whole sector.
Just look out! Most companies are getting bigger and bigger! The end point of free market if one thing: monopoly. Thats exctly what's happening.

And I don't see how "socialism is bond to fail" ^^
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January 04, 2017, 07:26:51 PM
#70
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.


why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?

Nope, Socialism is bound to fail in every nation, basic economics.
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