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legendary
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January 04, 2017, 07:10:57 PM
#69
Yes, mostly.

We shall all understand that some tax is necessary to keep streets and roads safe and clean, but it takes very little tax money to pay for this useful service. Most of the tax money goes to useless or real bad things like welfare. Welfare is the biggest crime manhood has ever commited on nature. There are probably some 40 millions people living off welfare on Europe, they should all die. The sooner, the better. Only the strong shall survive. Ethiopia is a much nicer place with gentler people. Most Europeans now believe it is a God given right to spend their whole life without working, with an allowance from the state to have a decent life. Tax money has corrupted their minds. Sometimes I wish the whole economic system would just crash. People would be forced to work, just as it was a century ago, or as it is today in Ethiopia.
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January 04, 2017, 06:59:20 PM
#68
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.


why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?
legendary
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January 04, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
#67
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.
legendary
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January 04, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
#66
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool
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January 04, 2017, 01:40:44 PM
#65
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?
sr. member
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January 04, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
#64
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
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January 04, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
#63
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley
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January 04, 2017, 07:20:58 AM
#62
It's not theft for a very simple reason, it's more efficient than private capital.

You want a good example?
USA: private health care industry, 17% of GDP
France: public health care industry, 11% of GDP

Healthcare in the United States is a sham. Compared to the European nations, healthcare in the United States is at least 200% more expensive. That said, there are many good examples for affordable private sector healthcare around the world. Thailand is a good example.

Of course the USA case is extreme but it's a good example because Americans are the ones promoting freedom of market and privatisation.

My example is just to show that NO, public institution doesn't mean inefficiency and waste of money, very good things can be done too!
But I'm not saying we should nationalize everything because government makes it better, we can combine the 2 aspects. Why are they all so afraid of governmental initiatives? Why not combining the two by letting the market free (no reason to go for communism and forbid private companies) but also creating governmental agencies. If you have the 2 they will really fight each other to have the best possible service. Sometimes private companies might be the best then very well, I'm not saying they can't do shit.

But there is no reason and no fact to support massive privatisation and deregulation of markets. Government is able to manage things as good as private companies for much less cost. There is just a massive propaganda to make them seem inefficient and dull.
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January 04, 2017, 06:34:09 AM
#61
In Africa taxation is deemed criminal by the masses, because the Government just spend it all on themselves.
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January 04, 2017, 06:24:55 AM
#60
But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Direct democracy exists only in textbooks. It may be impracticable as well. In many of the nations, less than half of the people vote, and even their concerns are not considered while the laws and regulations are drafted by the politicians.

That's just because we have no democracy yet. Juste because it doesnt exist doesn't mean that it can't be created.

And of course few people vote! It's useless as hell because you have no control on what politicians do once they're elected!!!
But you could imagine a real direct democracy where laws are voted by the people. Then I belive most people will suddenly follow far more politcal and economical world...
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January 04, 2017, 06:21:38 AM
#59
As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Oh, I get it. Rather than having direct 100% control of your money, so that you get to spend it as you want, you give 100% of your money to government, and then control them to spend it the way you want.

If you believe anything can work like this, without you losing a lot of your labor and money...

Oh, never mind. What's the use. Give 'em your money.

Cool

Oh it's not that i think that. It's that it is a fact.

Go check health care instution between private and public. Public so tax funded and government managed helth care system is 33% mor efficient.

So YES grouping the money and deciding and managing all together is more efficient. Please prove the contrary.

Cause public institution of health care = 11% of gdp while private is about 18%
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January 04, 2017, 12:15:21 AM
#58
But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Direct democracy exists only in textbooks. It may be impracticable as well. In many of the nations, less than half of the people vote, and even their concerns are not considered while the laws and regulations are drafted by the politicians.
legendary
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January 03, 2017, 10:13:15 PM
#57
As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Oh, I get it. Rather than having direct 100% control of your money, so that you get to spend it as you want, you give 100% of your money to government, and then control them to spend it the way you want.

If you believe anything can work like this, without you losing a lot of your labor and money...

Oh, never mind. What's the use. Give 'em your money.

Cool
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January 03, 2017, 07:46:49 PM
#56
As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.
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January 03, 2017, 12:56:41 AM
#55
It's not theft for a very simple reason, it's more efficient than private capital.

You want a good example?
USA: private health care industry, 17% of GDP
France: public health care industry, 11% of GDP

Healthcare in the United States is a sham. Compared to the European nations, healthcare in the United States is at least 200% more expensive. That said, there are many good examples for affordable private sector healthcare around the world. Thailand is a good example.
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January 03, 2017, 12:16:24 AM
#54
As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?
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January 02, 2017, 11:39:31 AM
#53
It's not theft for a very simple reason, it's more efficient than private capital.

You want a good example?
USA: private health care industry, 17% of GDP
France: public health care industry, 11% of GDP

And as you'll see France is not an isolated case, it's the same in most European "socialist" countries

There is a huge lie spreads by most media saying that socialism is the wrong way of managing things. What I see is that our Health Care industry is much more efficient (similar services for much lower cost) than the American one. Never saw proofs of the contrary.

So you prefer being taxes by your government, or being taxed 50% more by private companies?

Your call.

source:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS
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January 02, 2017, 03:51:49 AM
#52
Finland tests giving every citizen a universal basic income
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html

Very soon Finland is going to become bankrupt. From where they are going to find the money, to fund this insane initiative? They can print only a limited number of the Euro banknotes.

I think the universal basic income will be implemented throughout the whole eurozone eventually. There's so high unemployment rate and automation will make most of the remaining jobs obsolete. It's necessary to protect the society from collapsing by giving people all the necessities they need. ECB will be forced to print enough money to pay the bill, like they do already. But in the future, the printed money is (hopefully) being given to poor people also, so that the society won't collapse into civil unrest and rich people can still have their wealth without utilizing private armies to protect it.
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January 01, 2017, 11:46:58 PM
#51
Finland tests giving every citizen a universal basic income
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html

Very soon Finland is going to become bankrupt. From where they are going to find the money, to fund this insane initiative? They can print only a limited number of the Euro banknotes.
legendary
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January 01, 2017, 11:21:47 PM
#50
As society develops there is more need for currency in circulation to get regulated. Back in the day taxation didn't give anybody anything, nowadays this is the opposite... It can even save your life later in the elder days when you need it.

If wanting to get the most out of paying into any government system, aim for applying as much as possible into the offered services. Retirement or annuities open up as well as bonuses from expenses or new era technological expansions around your house (think green.)

Overall, with more gained it does seem like something you should do if not current with it.

That's what I say.

Make robots to do everything for us for free. Then give us all the tax money back. Then, finally, drop the taxes completely.

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