No.
And if you use common sense if we didn't get taxed then it doesn't mean we will have any extra money to buy stuff. The worth of things balances out. And now you won't even have roads and infrastructure.
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Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into government welfare services and others.
Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
Well we need the defense budget because other countries are also spending on defense. As for salaries I don't think so. The rest of the money goes into social programs and infrastructure. Salary is probably a small part of it.
OK.. let's take the American budget as an example. Here:
As you can see, defense and veterans affairs make up 20% of the total spending. Treasury amounts for another 14%.
But the truth is that the military budget is atleast 30% bigger then the base budget you are showing.
Here is something detailed:
https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into government welfare services and others.
Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
Well we need the defense budget because other countries are also spending on defense. As for salaries I don't think so. The rest of the money goes into social programs and infrastructure. Salary is probably a small part of it.
OK.. let's take the American budget as an example. Here:
As you can see, defense and veterans affairs make up 20% of the total spending. Treasury amounts for another 14%.
First, you have to ask yourself, why we need country?
What is the purpose of country, government, schools, public services?
If you agree that we need all this public services than you have to accept simple fact that someone have to pay for it.
What about health insurance?
Military?
Are you really so naive to think that we, in today's world, don't need military or that anyone can afford doctor?
What about unemployed or homeless people?
Simple truth is that we need government and we need taxes.
How to organize public services and taxes, it's another question and there is no perfect answer.
What is the purpose of country, government, schools, public services?
If you agree that we need all this public services than you have to accept simple fact that someone have to pay for it.
What about health insurance?
Military?
Are you really so naive to think that we, in today's world, don't need military or that anyone can afford doctor?
What about unemployed or homeless people?
Simple truth is that we need government and we need taxes.
How to organize public services and taxes, it's another question and there is no perfect answer.
Sure man, let's say we do need the government to do all of these things, but this isn't the question. The question is "Is taxation theft?", personally I feel government should have some responsibilities such as maintaining a courts system, police, fire, national defense and I believe these should be achieved by some type of taxation. However, I still think taxation is theft, regardless how noble the cause, taking money from non-consenting people is theft, correct?
Right. When we get government to do all the good things that they do for us, it's because they steal a big chunk of our property while they do the little good they do.
This is good:
1. Roads and other benefits;
2. Government directing the making of roads and other benefits.
3. People paying government to do the directing.
What we get is:
1. Roads and other benefits;
2. Government directing the making of roads and other benefits.
3. People paying government to do the directing.
4. Government people covertly siphoning off a whole lot of the pay inappropriately.
Let's cut out the middleman and do the work ourselves, and save a whole bunch of our property from the middleman.
First, you have to ask yourself, why we need country?
What is the purpose of country, government, schools, public services?
If you agree that we need all this public services than you have to accept simple fact that someone have to pay for it.
What about health insurance?
Military?
Are you really so naive to think that we, in today's world, don't need military or that anyone can afford doctor?
What about unemployed or homeless people?
Simple truth is that we need government and we need taxes.
How to organize public services and taxes, it's another question and there is no perfect answer.
What is the purpose of country, government, schools, public services?
If you agree that we need all this public services than you have to accept simple fact that someone have to pay for it.
What about health insurance?
Military?
Are you really so naive to think that we, in today's world, don't need military or that anyone can afford doctor?
What about unemployed or homeless people?
Simple truth is that we need government and we need taxes.
How to organize public services and taxes, it's another question and there is no perfect answer.
Sure man, let's say we do need the government to do all of these things, but this isn't the question. The question is "Is taxation theft?", personally I feel government should have some responsibilities such as maintaining a courts system, police, fire, national defense and I believe these should be achieved by some type of taxation. However, I still think taxation is theft, regardless how noble the cause, taking money from non-consenting people is theft, correct?
First, you have to ask yourself, why we need country?
What is the purpose of country, government, schools, public services?
If you agree that we need all this public services than you have to accept simple fact that someone have to pay for it.
What about health insurance?
Military?
Are you really so naive to think that we, in today's world, don't need military or that anyone can afford doctor?
What about unemployed or homeless people?
Simple truth is that we need government and we need taxes.
How to organize public services and taxes, it's another question and there is no perfect answer.
What is the purpose of country, government, schools, public services?
If you agree that we need all this public services than you have to accept simple fact that someone have to pay for it.
What about health insurance?
Military?
Are you really so naive to think that we, in today's world, don't need military or that anyone can afford doctor?
What about unemployed or homeless people?
Simple truth is that we need government and we need taxes.
How to organize public services and taxes, it's another question and there is no perfect answer.
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs
Did you go to school?
Do you use the roads?
Did you ever visit the hospital? (unless you're from USA)
Then don't act like you haven't consented to taxation, you're using the benefits built and made from taxes
You must pay your taxes if you're going to use these services
It would be selfish to avoid it, and it could also get you to jail
Never did I claim any of these things, nor did I claim that taxation doesn't provide these things. However, these things were all provided by stealing from other people (taxation). The question was is taxation theft, not does taxation provide any services.
Regardless of me using any of these services, I never consetned to paying for them. If I stuck a chocolate bar into your hand and put a gun to your head and said "Give me $100, since you are buying this chocolate bar, if you refuse, i'll throw you into a cage, if you resist i'll kill you." is that justifiable for me to do it? If not then how is it justifiable for the government to do it?
How brainwashed some of you are... You think there would be chaos without taxes. No there wouldn't be. Did Native Americans have taxes? No. Was there chaos? No.
But the roads... What people need, people make. People needed cars, they invested their money and made more cars to satisfy their needs. Same thing would happen with roads police and other services.
What governments can't accept is that people are different, some are more productive and intelligent than others. Governments want to impose fake equality, to make all people contribute, even if they are dumb, uneducated or lazy. This only brings those people deeper into poverty and sometimes makes them break the law or start living in the street.
There is a way to make taxes just. For instance property tax is just IMO. You choose a country you want to live in and you can check how much you will have to pay each year for living there. This amount should be constant, no matter if you have a business or just prefer to drink vodka and watch the clouds go by. This would be your contribution to the services provided by State.
Income tax is unjust, because it punishes the innovative, people who are working their asses off every day. The more they work, the more the government takes.
But the roads... What people need, people make. People needed cars, they invested their money and made more cars to satisfy their needs. Same thing would happen with roads police and other services.
What governments can't accept is that people are different, some are more productive and intelligent than others. Governments want to impose fake equality, to make all people contribute, even if they are dumb, uneducated or lazy. This only brings those people deeper into poverty and sometimes makes them break the law or start living in the street.
There is a way to make taxes just. For instance property tax is just IMO. You choose a country you want to live in and you can check how much you will have to pay each year for living there. This amount should be constant, no matter if you have a business or just prefer to drink vodka and watch the clouds go by. This would be your contribution to the services provided by State.
Income tax is unjust, because it punishes the innovative, people who are working their asses off every day. The more they work, the more the government takes.
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into government welfare services and others.
Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
Well we need the defense budget because other countries are also spending on defense. As for salaries I don't think so. The rest of the money goes into social programs and infrastructure. Salary is probably a small part of it.
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into government welfare services and others.
Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into government welfare services and others. It is just like going to school, if the students will not pay the tuition there will be no teachers, no classrooms, nothing only a barren land is there if there is no tuition fee. Paying taxes is like paying a pizza from a pizzahouse in exchange for the food. Taxation is like that, in exchange for justice, health services, protection and justice from criminality, road networks we pay taxes. If there are no taxes then who will build the roads, who will pay the police and military possibly there are countless chaos from warlords if there is no government. Taxes is the food of our government and of our nation without it we have no nation.
This.. shit costs money. Without money there is no government. With no government there is chaos and armed gangs rule the land. Forget your job, wife, kids etc. Pay taxes or ultimately live like mad max. Day to day trying to survive.. I would rather pay taxes thank you.
Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into government welfare services and others. It is just like going to school, if the students will not pay the tuition there will be no teachers, no classrooms, nothing only a barren land is there if there is no tuition fee. Paying taxes is like paying a pizza from a pizzahouse in exchange for the food. Taxation is like that, in exchange for justice, health services, protection and justice from criminality, road networks we pay taxes. If there are no taxes then who will build the roads, who will pay the police and military possibly there are countless chaos from warlords if there is no government. Taxes is the food of our government and of our nation without it we have no nation.
I am against income tax, but I believe that the indirect taxes such as VAT and capital gains tax are not that bad. After all, the government should be able to secure funds for various infrastructure projects and defense purposes.
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs
Did you go to school?
Do you use the roads?
Did you ever visit the hospital? (unless you're from USA)
Then don't act like you haven't consented to taxation, you're using the benefits built and made from taxes
You must pay your taxes if you're going to use these services
It would be selfish to avoid it, and it could also get you to jail
Abolish and Privatize! Everthing works better without the government involved.
So, we should descend into anarchy?
And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?
And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?
Anarchy means "no rulers". It does not mean "no rules", chaos, or aggression.
If you feel that you need a ruler in order to build civilization, I feel sorry for you. People are quite capable of working together towards a common goal without someone ruling over them. Have some faith in your fellow man.
Without rulers telling everyone what they should and should not do (usually only to the benefit of the rulers), people would develop a strong moral compass and respecting the individual rights of others would weave the fabric of a robust society.
You have used services that cost money without paying for them (taxes), you have stolen money from every citizen you ever met in your country, you're a thief and force must be used against you in order for you pay if you won't do it willingly.
Ahh... yes. The famous, "what about the roads" argument. How tedious.
If you honestly believe that things such as roads wouldn't be built without taxes, then you have no imagination and are truly stuck with a slave mentality.
Have you ever heard of a toll road? They exist today, and they are paid for by the people who drive on them... I know, it may be hard for you to grasp the concept of people who actually use the product as being the ones who pay for it, as opposed to everyone.
I'd be more than happy to pay voluntary taxes when I have complete say over how my money is spent. Where I live, the government is almost 20 trillion dollars in debt, the infrastructure (including roads) is falling apart, and a huge amount of taxpayer money is used to wage war on people on the other side of the planet. So yes, fuck taxes. I am going to do everything in my power to legally avoid paying as many taxes as possible.
Without taxes (including the hidden tax known as inflation), governments would not be able to pool enough resources to wage large scale war. So yes, fuck taxes.
When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."
So, we should descend into anarchy?
And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?
We are often forced to choose the lesser of two evils when forced to confront evil.
Take national defense. It is not wrong to tax to fund national defense to the extent necessary to stop others from murdering you and your countrymen.
While it may not be wrong to fund national defense, does anybody know that that is where his tax money is going? Where is your receipt to show what you paid for. Or is it that the money simply goes to where people in government want it to go... without your true knowledge of where it went, and without a real reckoning?
There are many other situations when taxation is justified for the overall public good also as the lessor evil.
The problem arises from those who forget that in this situation taxation is the lesser evil.
Once a majority of your population views taxation collectivism and redistribution as a good rather than a necessary evil society has a problem.
Taxation might be justified, but what makes the justification? It is only justified when you volunteer, and then it is not real taxation.
The only way taxation is justified as taxation, is when you get a receipt as to where your money was spent... with open records so you and everyone else can see where all the money went.
When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."
So, we should descend into anarchy?
And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?
Check into what anarchy really is. Anarchy in the form that most people think of it is desirable. The true anarchy is in the governments of the big countries.
When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."
So, we should descend into anarchy?
And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?
We are often forced to choose the lesser of two evils when forced to confront evil.
Take national defense. It is not wrong to tax to fund national defense to the extent necessary to stop others from murdering you and your countrymen.
There are many other situations when taxation is justified for the overall public good also as the lessor evil.
The problem arises once a majority of your population views taxation collectivism and redistribution as a good rather than a necessary evil society has a problem.
If you don't pay will force be used against you in order to make you pay?
If yes, then theft.
If yes, then theft.
I have stolen 10 000$ from my neighbour.
If I don't pay will force be used against me in order to make me pay?
If yes, then theft.
You have used services that cost money without paying for them (taxes), you have stolen money from every citizen you ever met in your country, you're a thief and force must be used against you in order for you pay if you won't do it willingly.
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