As society develops there is more need for currency in circulation to get regulated. Back in the day taxation didn't give anybody anything, nowadays this is the opposite... It can even save your life later in the elder days when you need it.
If wanting to get the most out of paying into any government system, aim for applying as much as possible into the offered services. Retirement or annuities open up as well as bonuses from expenses or new era technological expansions around your house (think green.)
Overall, with more gained it does seem like something you should do if not current with it.
Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 66. (Read 75959 times)
How about police and judicial system? In my opinion it's very expensive and and should be shut down immediately. By maintaining public police force government actually steals from it's citizens. Only private police and militaries should be allowed.
Private police?
That sounds like it would quickly grow into a wide conflict of the biggest forces for power and complete reign over the territory, most likely resulting into a dictatorship
and if that private police and military are corrupt or their owner has a different thjinking that the government top, things might get ugly.
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.
Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.
Communist!!
Free education = much welfare rats
Free = welfare = stalin
Kind of in transition last 15 years
They only need to lower the income tax and make it easier to start a business, maybe get a little push start and it would be amazing here, also they need to stop giving money to the failing corrupt businesses, we're losing great money here because they're bailing out companies that have a corrupt top :/ But china has a lot of investments here tho 
Taxation is theft, and the funny thing is the richest people (businesses) pay almost no tax (or extremely little percentage wise). For tax- aka theft system to be more effective, the rich corporations should be taxed the most. This would make this theft system work much better in accomplishing its goal of stealing, but of course it will never happen. This is why those rich corps are so fat in the pockets in the first place. They steal par excellence in cahoots with the government.
How about police and judicial system? In my opinion it's very expensive and and should be shut down immediately. By maintaining public police force government actually steals from it's citizens. Only private police and militaries should be allowed.
Private police?
That sounds like it would quickly grow into a wide conflict of the biggest forces for power and complete reign over the territory, most likely resulting into a dictatorship
How about police and judicial system? In my opinion it's very expensive and and should be shut down immediately. By maintaining public police force government actually steals from it's citizens. Only private police and militaries should be allowed.
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.
Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.
I'm with you on the idea of getting rid of welfare, but what about free education? What if I don't want to support free education. I bet there are a whole lot of people who don't.
When government gives somebody else something free, by stealing it from a third person, the third person loses some of HIS freedom. In addition, the energy government exerts to take some of my freedom and give it to some student, is energy that government has to be paid for somehow. So, government steals some more of my freedom just to support itself in its freedom stealing efforts.
The stealing isn't right. There are plenty of people who would willingly donate to free education for kids, without the government having to step in and get paid for their inefficient operation.
Trump is talking about doing away with the Department of Education in the U.S.
Finland tests giving every citizen a universal basic income
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html
Experiment to start in 2017 and include 2,000 randomly selected welfare recipients of free government money
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-ubi-test-scheme-experiment-a7211241.html
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.
Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.
Communist!!
Free education = much welfare rats
Free = welfare = stalin
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.
Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.
I think minimal taxes equals a night-watchman state with high social tensions and in the end, wealth being accumulated by the few lucky individuals. Higher taxes can be used to distribute some of the wealth for the poor. I'm not talking about full-scale socialism. But I understand this kind of idea is probably not very popular in the US where there's still a culture of a mythical self-made success even though it's being made almost impossible for the poor people of the society. Money is being printed out as much as it's being needed so it's not really about lack of funds to have a few social programs for the poor. But the current situation, "the central banking socialism", where the printed money is being given straight to the top 1% and then others have to get by on what's left is totally unsustainable. But it's done on purpose, to destroy the system completely from inside to take control of everything.
Make them start their own business for instance or start looking for a job? You have to give them means to support themselves, the rod not the fish.Well I agree with this for now but how about when robots and automation owned by few companies and individuals make most of the jobs obsolete?
For example:
Self-driving trucks: what's the future for America's 3.5 million truckers?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/17/self-driving-trucks-impact-on-drivers-jobs-us
If people can't afford the things that robots make and do, then companies will fail because nobody buys their products. The robots will go down with the companies.
Before the companies go down, people will get on welfare because they are not earning the money because robots all have the jobs. Prices on everything will come down, because robots, once set up, can manufacture and do everything free, including making and repairing themselves.
After this there will be no incentive for anyone to be wealthy, because money won't be needed any longer. People will get everything free, from the robots. The robots do everything for free because (if they are not AI) they will have no incentive to ask for pay.
So you believe it's going to be a full-scale socialism?
You have used services that cost money without paying for them (taxes), you have stolen money from every citizen you ever met in your country, you're a thief and force must be used against you in order for you pay if you won't do it willingly.
Ahh... yes. The famous, "what about the roads" argument. How tedious.
If you honestly believe that things such as roads wouldn't be built without taxes, then you have no imagination and are truly stuck with a slave mentality.
Have you ever heard of a toll road? They exist today, and they are paid for by the people who drive on them... I know, it may be hard for you to grasp the concept of people who actually use the product as being the ones who pay for it, as opposed to everyone.
I'd be more than happy to pay voluntary taxes when I have complete say over how my money is spent. Where I live, the government is almost 20 trillion dollars in debt, the infrastructure (including roads) is falling apart, and a huge amount of taxpayer money is used to wage war on people on the other side of the planet. So yes, fuck taxes. I am going to do everything in my power to legally avoid paying as many taxes as possible.
Without taxes (including the hidden tax known as inflation), governments would not be able to pool enough resources to wage large scale war. So yes, fuck taxes.
Excellent point of view. Or maybe just because I agree with it.
I am not necessarily against taxing, but I am usually for minimal government because it is a very poorly executed business from my experience. It has the potential to be beneficial, but it seems to very easily grow into a self serving institution when people value their government job more than the service they provide to the public. I think government should play a role in setting regulations and slowing the destruction caused to the environment in hopes of profit. The private sector can take care of the rest.
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.
OK.. let's take the American budget as an example. Here:
As you can see, defense and veterans affairs make up 20% of the total spending. Treasury amounts for another 14%.
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people? As you can see, defense and veterans affairs make up 20% of the total spending. Treasury amounts for another 14%.
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.
I think minimal taxes equals a night-watchman state with high social tensions and in the end, wealth being accumulated by the few lucky individuals. Higher taxes can be used to distribute some of the wealth for the poor. I'm not talking about full-scale socialism. But I understand this kind of idea is probably not very popular in the US where there's still a culture of a mythical self-made success even though it's being made almost impossible for the poor people of the society. Money is being printed out as much as it's being needed so it's not really about lack of funds to have a few social programs for the poor. But the current situation, "the central banking socialism", where the printed money is being given straight to the top 1% and then others have to get by on what's left is totally unsustainable. But it's done on purpose, to destroy the system completely from inside to take control of everything.
Make them start their own business for instance or start looking for a job? You have to give them means to support themselves, the rod not the fish.Well I agree with this for now but how about when robots and automation owned by few companies and individuals make most of the jobs obsolete?
For example:
Self-driving trucks: what's the future for America's 3.5 million truckers?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/17/self-driving-trucks-impact-on-drivers-jobs-us
If people can't afford the things that robots make and do, then companies will fail because nobody buys their products. The robots will go down with the companies.
Before the companies go down, people will get on welfare because they are not earning the money because robots all have the jobs. Prices on everything will come down, because robots, once set up, can manufacture and do everything free, including making and repairing themselves.
After this there will be no incentive for anyone to be wealthy, because money won't be needed any longer. People will get everything free, from the robots. The robots do everything for free because (if they are not AI) they will have no incentive to ask for pay.
I think minimal taxes equals a night-watchman state with high social tensions and in the end, wealth being accumulated by the few lucky individuals. Higher taxes can be used to distribute some of the wealth for the poor. I'm not talking about full-scale socialism. But I understand this kind of idea is probably not very popular in the US where there's still a culture of a mythical self-made success even though it's being made almost impossible for the poor people of the society. Money is being printed out as much as it's being needed so it's not really about lack of funds to have a few social programs for the poor. But the current situation, "the central banking socialism", where the printed money is being given straight to the top 1% and then others have to get by on what's left is totally unsustainable. But it's done on purpose, to destroy the system completely from inside to take control of everything.
Make them start their own business for instance or start looking for a job? You have to give them means to support themselves, the rod not the fish.Well I agree with this for now but how about when robots and automation owned by few companies and individuals make most of the jobs obsolete?
For example:
Self-driving trucks: what's the future for America's 3.5 million truckers?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/17/self-driving-trucks-impact-on-drivers-jobs-us
I think minimal taxes equals a night-watchman state with high social tensions and in the end, wealth being accumulated by the few lucky individuals. Higher taxes can be used to distribute some of the wealth for the poor.
This is ridiculous. How the poor are going to benefit, when a large part of the tax revenue is being spent on big corporations? The rich will get richer, as they have multiple avenues for tax evasion. The poor will remain poor, and the middle class will suffer from decreased purchasing power.
I think minimal taxes equals a night-watchman state with high social tensions and in the end, wealth being accumulated by the few lucky individuals. Higher taxes can be used to distribute some of the wealth for the poor. I'm not talking about full-scale socialism. But I understand this kind of idea is probably not very popular in the US where there's still a culture of a mythical self-made success even though it's being made almost impossible for the poor people of the society. Money is being printed out as much as it's being needed so it's not really about lack of funds to have a few social programs for the poor. But the current situation, "the central banking socialism", where the printed money is being given straight to the top 1% and then others have to get by on what's left is totally unsustainable. But it's done on purpose, to destroy the system completely from inside to take control of everything.
This idea is unpopular everywhere, not only in the US. Don't mix in helping the poor (charity) with a socialist redistribution of wealth. Taking money from the rich to give to the poor is theft. I'm not a rich person myself, but I'm against it. Give people free money because they are poor and they will stay poor. Do you really think that giving a poor family benefits of $200 a month is going to change something? Make them start their own business for instance or start looking for a job? You have to give them means to support themselves, the rod not the fish.
Take control of everything you end up with control of nothing..^
I think minimal taxes equals a night-watchman state with high social tensions and in the end, wealth being accumulated by the few lucky individuals. Higher taxes can be used to distribute some of the wealth for the poor. I'm not talking about full-scale socialism. But I understand this kind of idea is probably not very popular in the US where there's still a culture of a mythical self-made success even though it's being made almost impossible for the poor people of the society. Money is being printed out as much as it's being needed so it's not really about lack of funds to have a few social programs for the poor. But the current situation, "the central banking socialism", where the printed money is being given straight to the top 1% and then others have to get by on what's left is totally unsustainable. But it's done on purpose, to destroy the system completely from inside to take control of everything.
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