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Topic: [(Updated 4/2)USA/CANADA GROUP BUY] Denarium Silver 1 BTC Coins (Read 8278 times)

legendary
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So the coins came back today. Surprisingly not MS-60s, all are MS-63's.

Very nice, thanks for the update!
legendary
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So the coins came back today. Surprisingly not MS-60s, all are MS-63's.

Coins to remaining customers will ship by Monday.

legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1118
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All people that wanted their coins graded, I have an update.

Coins were dropped off at ANACs today. They have a pretty cool and small building. The man I met with showed one of the coins to a grader (I was told there are 5 graders) to show them off.

The coins are cool, but he said most likely our Denariums are going to grade at the MS-60, because of the cleaning done to the coin.

I was also told that if we are lucky, turnaround time would be 2 weeks. Worst case would be 4 weeks.

Andrew over there at ANACS is a really cool guy to work with. I should send him over a paper wallet loaded with some BTC and say "figure it out". I was told they might be open to accepting Bitcoin as payment some day...
As I left I felt stupid for never asking his name. Thanks Blazed.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
All people that wanted their coins graded, I have an update.

Coins were dropped off at ANACs today. They have a pretty cool and small building. The man I met with showed one of the coins to a grader (I was told there are 5 graders) to show them off.

The coins are cool, but he said most likely our Denariums are going to grade at the MS-60, because of the cleaning done to the coin.

I was also told that if we are lucky, turnaround time would be 2 weeks. Worst case would be 4 weeks.

Andrew over there at ANACS is a really cool guy to work with. I should send him over a paper wallet loaded with some BTC and say "figure it out". I was told they might be open to accepting Bitcoin as payment some day...
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1118
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All people that wanted their coins graded, I have an update.

Coins were dropped off at ANACs today. They have a pretty cool and small building. The man I met with showed one of the coins to a grader (I was told there are 5 graders) to show them off.

The coins are cool, but he said most likely our Denariums are going to grade at the MS-60, because of the cleaning done to the coin.

I was also told that if we are lucky, turnaround time would be 2 weeks. Worst case would be 4 weeks.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
Auctioning off my coin if anyone is interested...starting bid for both coins is 1BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1444857.new#new
legendary
Activity: 2212
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Went and grabbed my coin today... The coin has swirl marks all over it and a big ding in the bulls head. This is hands down the worst quality coin I have ever purchased. The free coin is pretty rough also...not bothered to open its capsule.

https://i.imgur.com/5X3rPVK.jpg

I had also sent everyone in the group buy images of my coin for a reference.

Album here: https://imgur.com/a/xhJuv

legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
Went and grabbed my coin today... The coin has swirl marks all over it and a big ding in the bulls head. This is hands down the worst quality coin I have ever purchased. The free coin is pretty rough also...not bothered to open its capsule.

legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1072
Eh why not, I'll still take the grading gamble.    Cool

I will take a look at it in person and then decide if I want to submit or not. If I feel it will grade low then grading is a waste of time and $$.

Fortunately I don't have a lot of graded coins or else I would consider not grading them based on the news I have read.
Personally I think we'll get ms-60s. I think that's the baseline for polished coins?

I believe so, or else they could mark the coins with the dreaded "Improperly Cleaned".   Grin
legendary
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Eh why not, I'll still take the grading gamble.    Cool

I will take a look at it in person and then decide if I want to submit or not. If I feel it will grade low then grading is a waste of time and $$.

Fortunately I don't have a lot of graded coins or else I would consider not grading them based on the news I have read.
Personally I think we'll get ms-60s. I think that's the baseline for polished coins?
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1072
Eh why not, I'll still take the grading gamble.    Cool

I will take a look at it in person and then decide if I want to submit or not. If I feel it will grade low then grading is a waste of time and $$.

Fortunately I don't have a lot of graded coins or else I would consider not grading them based on the news I have read.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
Eh why not, I'll still take the grading gamble.    Cool

I will take a look at it in person and then decide if I want to submit or not. If I feel it will grade low then grading is a waste of time and $$.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1072
Eh why not, I'll still take the grading gamble.    Cool
legendary
Activity: 2128
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Nope, not wanting it graded...just was not sure what the plan was. I am guessing the silver coins will grade very poorly from the pictures I have seen. I have never heard of hand polishing a coin directly from the mint. The high res pictures I have seen show lots of swirl marks on them... Embarrassed
legendary
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I just thought of it, but what about our free brass coins? I assume you were not grading those since they are not loaded?
If you want to pay for them to be graded sure. I was just going to send in the silvers, unless people specifically wanted to get their brass graded too.
I will try and get everyone high resolution pictures of their coins by the end of the week. All coins have been resting in their boxes and untouched by myself. I feel like my whole customs problem wasn't actually customs. Someone noted that their coin capsule felt a little loose and it might have come off while shipping.
legendary
Activity: 2128
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I just thought of it, but what about our free brass coins? I assume you were not grading those since they are not loaded?
legendary
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It should be easy to verify everything once the coins have arrived to their end destinations. If there is any doubt about the authenticity of the product. Our system is built in a way that these things can always be verified.
legendary
Activity: 2212
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Good news, 4 packages went out today.

Also ANACS allows drop offs and pickups for coins, so this'll be great for people wanting to get coins graded.

I got my coins today, thanks ezminer (and mitchell)!

Any reason why mine were taken out of the box that they were sent in from Denarium? Mitchell posted a pic of all the sealed boxes. Mine were not sealed in that original box. Looks like the contents were taken out and put into a USPS priority shipping box.
The box they shipped in was larger than the USPS box. I tried, but it would not have worked. If you want me to get a picture I could.
I just transferred the contents from box to box, they had room in the first box. Also to allow padding to be added. Denarium had no padding, but the items were sorta snug when I opened the box.

Edit: I opened each of the denarium boxes one at a time. Just to not confuse the orders with each other. Each box contained coins and an order invoice. I added the denarium piece of paper telling what they are and what they do just because 9 were supplied to me. Each box matched each person by name or address. Also because my coin was originally opened by who I assume was US customs, I had opened each of the Denarium boxes to ensure that no one else had this problem, as the picture from an earlier post.

Correct me if I'm wrong - don't you just need a priority label to ship priority? It doesn't have to be in a priority box, IIRC. So they could have been shipped in a different box and not opened.

Also, if customs opened your box, you'd obviously be able to see that. The tape would be broken. If the remainder of the boxes were still sealed, wouldn't it make sense to assume that customs did not open them? Tampering with the boxes (breaking the tape) to see if they were tampered with doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Is anyone else bothered by this? No offense to you personally, ezminer, but this is a very security sensitive item. Isn't it important to ensure that the packages arrive at the destination unaltered from how they left Denarium? For all I know, these coins could have been removed from their packaging, or the activation cards switched, or the coins themselves switched. The coins are able to be easily removed from the white card they're on and replaced without evidence of tampering. You or someone else could have physically handled my coin and put it back.

Please help me understand.
I just did a quick lookup about that. It says you can use a non flat rate box with a flat rate sticker. But these boxes here would not have ensured your coins made it there safely. They are like 1/16 inch or something for the cardboard, the only padding you would have received on your coins is the white waxy paper thing, and the bublewrap on the bonus coins. I only provided padding just because you all may have spent a lot of money on these coins depending on what you paid for it.

I cannot be a 100% sure on the US customs idea. First I thought that because all the boxes were taped the same, except mine.

I made a mistake with flat rate boxes because they went from 5.95 to 6.80 since I last shipped flat rate, but kept it at the 5.95 just to not keep changing things around.

I personally have nothing to gain by altering or changing the activation cards or coins. (If you are thinking from a criminal's perspective, you would do something you could get away without people noticing. That would be the smart way correct?) If your activation cards don't work then maybe that can raise some concern, I would recommend contacting denarium at that point. I just wanted to be a helpful forum member in this group buy since minerjones told me he was busy during the time when coins were being auctioned.
full member
Activity: 318
Merit: 116
Good news, 4 packages went out today.

Also ANACS allows drop offs and pickups for coins, so this'll be great for people wanting to get coins graded.

I got my coins today, thanks ezminer (and mitchell)!

Any reason why mine were taken out of the box that they were sent in from Denarium? Mitchell posted a pic of all the sealed boxes. Mine were not sealed in that original box. Looks like the contents were taken out and put into a USPS priority shipping box.
The box they shipped in was larger than the USPS box. I tried, but it would not have worked. If you want me to get a picture I could.
I just transferred the contents from box to box, they had room in the first box. Also to allow padding to be added. Denarium had no padding, but the items were sorta snug when I opened the box.

Edit: I opened each of the denarium boxes one at a time. Just to not confuse the orders with each other. Each box contained coins and an order invoice. I added the denarium piece of paper telling what they are and what they do just because 9 were supplied to me. Each box matched each person by name or address. Also because my coin was originally opened by who I assume was US customs, I had opened each of the Denarium boxes to ensure that no one else had this problem, as the picture from an earlier post.

Correct me if I'm wrong - don't you just need a priority label to ship priority? It doesn't have to be in a priority box, IIRC. So they could have been shipped in a different box and not opened.

Also, if customs opened your box, you'd obviously be able to see that. The tape would be broken. If the remainder of the boxes were still sealed, wouldn't it make sense to assume that customs did not open them? Tampering with the boxes (breaking the tape) to see if they were tampered with doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Is anyone else bothered by this? No offense to you personally, ezminer, but this is a very security sensitive item. Isn't it important to ensure that the packages arrive at the destination unaltered from how they left Denarium? For all I know, these coins could have been removed from their packaging, or the activation cards switched, or the coins themselves switched. The coins are able to be easily removed from the white card they're on and replaced without evidence of tampering. You or someone else could have physically handled my coin and put it back.

Please help me understand.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Received my coins.  Thank you everyone!
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