Topic: [(Updated 4/2)USA/CANADA GROUP BUY] Denarium Silver 1 BTC Coins (Read 8249 times)

Very nice, thanks for the update!

So the coins came back today. Surprisingly not MS-60s, all are MS-63's.

Coins to remaining customers will ship by Monday.

As I left I felt stupid for never asking his name. Thanks Blazed.

Andrew over there at ANACS is a really cool guy to work with. I should send him over a paper wallet loaded with some BTC and say "figure it out". I was told they might be open to accepting Bitcoin as payment some day...

All people that wanted their coins graded, I have an update.

Coins were dropped off at ANACs today. They have a pretty cool and small building. The man I met with showed one of the coins to a grader (I was told there are 5 graders) to show them off.

The coins are cool, but he said most likely our Denariums are going to grade at the MS-60, because of the cleaning done to the coin.

I was also told that if we are lucky, turnaround time would be 2 weeks. Worst case would be 4 weeks.

Auctioning off my coin if anyone is interested...starting bid for both coins is 1BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1444857.new#new

I had also sent everyone in the group buy images of my coin for a reference.

Album here: https://imgur.com/a/xhJuv

Went and grabbed my coin today... The coin has swirl marks all over it and a big ding in the bulls head. This is hands down the worst quality coin I have ever purchased. The free coin is pretty rough also...not bothered to open its capsule.

I believe so, or else they could mark the coins with the dreaded "Improperly Cleaned".   

Personally I think we'll get ms-60s. I think that's the baseline for polished coins?

Fortunately I don't have a lot of graded coins or else I would consider not grading them based on the news I have read.

I will take a look at it in person and then decide if I want to submit or not. If I feel it will grade low then grading is a waste of time and $$.

Eh why not, I'll still take the grading gamble.   

Nope, not wanting it graded...just was not sure what the plan was. I am guessing the silver coins will grade very poorly from the pictures I have seen. I have never heard of hand polishing a coin directly from the mint. The high res pictures I have seen show lots of swirl marks on them...

If you want to pay for them to be graded sure. I was just going to send in the silvers, unless people specifically wanted to get their brass graded too.
I will try and get everyone high resolution pictures of their coins by the end of the week. All coins have been resting in their boxes and untouched by myself. I feel like my whole customs problem wasn't actually customs. Someone noted that their coin capsule felt a little loose and it might have come off while shipping.

I just thought of it, but what about our free brass coins? I assume you were not grading those since they are not loaded?

It should be easy to verify everything once the coins have arrived to their end destinations. If there is any doubt about the authenticity of the product. Our system is built in a way that these things can always be verified.

I just did a quick lookup about that. It says you can use a non flat rate box with a flat rate sticker. But these boxes here would not have ensured your coins made it there safely. They are like 1/16 inch or something for the cardboard, the only padding you would have received on your coins is the white waxy paper thing, and the bublewrap on the bonus coins. I only provided padding just because you all may have spent a lot of money on these coins depending on what you paid for it.

I cannot be a 100% sure on the US customs idea. First I thought that because all the boxes were taped the same, except mine.

I made a mistake with flat rate boxes because they went from 5.95 to 6.80 since I last shipped flat rate, but kept it at the 5.95 just to not keep changing things around.

I personally have nothing to gain by altering or changing the activation cards or coins. (If you are thinking from a criminal's perspective, you would do something you could get away without people noticing. That would be the smart way correct?) If your activation cards don't work then maybe that can raise some concern, I would recommend contacting denarium at that point. I just wanted to be a helpful forum member in this group buy since minerjones told me he was busy during the time when coins were being auctioned.

Correct me if I'm wrong - don't you just need a priority label to ship priority? It doesn't have to be in a priority box, IIRC. So they could have been shipped in a different box and not opened.

Also, if customs opened your box, you'd obviously be able to see that. The tape would be broken. If the remainder of the boxes were still sealed, wouldn't it make sense to assume that customs did not open them? Tampering with the boxes (breaking the tape) to see if they were tampered with doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Is anyone else bothered by this? No offense to you personally, ezminer, but this is a very security sensitive item. Isn't it important to ensure that the packages arrive at the destination unaltered from how they left Denarium? For all I know, these coins could have been removed from their packaging, or the activation cards switched, or the coins themselves switched. The coins are able to be easily removed from the white card they're on and replaced without evidence of tampering. You or someone else could have physically handled my coin and put it back.

Please help me understand.

Received my coins.  Thank you everyone!