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legendary
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April 19, 2014, 08:06:40 AM
I wouldn't say loyal, maybe easily bought. They know from the past that she can change her mind for the right price.

If Tymoshenko can be bought, so can be Klitschko. The advantage Tymoshenko has is that she is tried and tested, while Klitschko is a little bit unpredictable. Klitschko is pro-EU, but he is not much pro-US. On the other hand, Tymoshenko is both pro-EU and pro-US.
newbie
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April 19, 2014, 07:35:19 AM
NATO tried to install puppet regime in the Crimea, had a hope to get a place for some democratic military bases here. They've failed and got a butthurt, that's why RF is bad now. Grin

Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia)
Lithuanian Communist party have won elections and then sent a request to join USSR in 1939. Seriously, I'm dying of laugh when I hear Seym's statements about the occupation in 1944 and these "90% of Lithuanians". Perhaps the elections weren't an ideal of democracy... But it's still not clear how the USSR could occupy a Republic, which had already been its part for more than 5 years. Roll Eyes

Lithuanian SSR was a part of USSR just like RSFSR (today it's called Russian Federation), if it was occupied then RSFSR was occupied too. You can also say something like "Vilnius was occupied by Lithuanian Republic", but I think that you understand what it's a senseless statement.  Wink

Read the books and always make your own judgement, don't listen any politicans ever. They are lying always, because the politician is synonymous with liar, the same is correct for lawyers. Smiley
If you're good liar then you will be a good politician/lawyer and vice versa. Cheesy

first of all -> dont get me wrong, I dont have anything against current (or any normal russian) Russia generation, they have nothing about all that things, I know, have some good Russian friends, and new generation is good for sure Smiley

Whats about Lithuanian SSR and RSFSR asociation, that they were "same". What nation designed SSRS? Answer is Russians, - Russian people elected communists, communists with Stalin (as I know Lenin before his death said that he will never want Stalin as SSRS leader) decided to "rule the world" and to make "communist dream", Russia nation agreed with that and then occupied all that countries with pretexts like you say "Lithuanian Communist party have won elections" - this is PROPOGANDA, we had our goverment with Smetona and Russia - SSRS made ultimatum, to join them easy or hard way, theres was no way back, even Molotov - Ribentrop pact prooves that Smiley So this is bullshit what you say - its common Russian propoganda.
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April 19, 2014, 05:48:18 AM
The EU / US media is propping up the name of Yulia Tymoshenko, as she is more loyal to the NATO than anyone else.  

I wouldn't say loyal, maybe easily bought. They know from the past that she can change her mind for the right price.
legendary
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April 19, 2014, 05:31:42 AM
Haha  Grin, that's Klitschko right next to him. Here in good old Germany the press is trying to convince us that he should become the next president - a snap shot like this would never appear in a German newspaper...

Klitschko does have a lot of support, around 20% of the population, mainly in Central Ukraine. But he has no understanding of economy or foreign affairs and if he becomes the Ukrainian president, then it will a disaster for the Ukrainian people. But I disagree that the German media is behind him. The EU / US media is propping up the name of Yulia Tymoshenko, as she is more loyal to the NATO than anyone else.   
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April 19, 2014, 05:21:20 AM
The real face of the Nazi Yatsenyuk and his master Obongo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlcdQR_CIAAUtT9.jpg

Haha  Grin, that's Klitschko right next to him. Here in good old Germany the press is trying to convince us that he should become the next president - a snap shot like this would never appear in a German newspaper...
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31qzlxwzAo4

Can someone translate what he is actually saying?  Smiley

Who cares about this idiot? Zhirinovsky is not a honest politician. He is all talk and no action. Remember, he was the one who supported the banning of Rodina Party in 2005.
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 06:21:37 PM
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 01:16:04 PM
Ahaha I lol'd... I definetely can't translate anything right now  Cheesy

He said, that an entire maidan movement it's a result of sexual frustration. He also said that these ladies are prone to furiousness of the uterus and then demanded guys to provide them some proper attention using a slightly violent way ("You have to rape her immediately! Christ is risen! Christ is risen! Christ is risen! Rape her!"). Later he said that pregnant persons are not allowed here because it's dangerous for a child, and "suggested" pregnant reporter to leave the room ( "Pregnant woman should stay at home and take care of the child, country needs a healthly population. Get out of there, I said get the fuck out of there!").

// Times change while Zhirinovsky remains the same.
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 01:04:50 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31qzlxwzAo4

Can someone translate what he is actually saying?  Smiley
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 11:38:36 AM
Lithuanian Communist party have won elections and then sent a request to join USSR in 1939. Seriously, I'm dying of laugh when I hear Seym's statements about the occupation in 1944 and these "90% of Lithuanians". Perhaps the elections weren't an ideal of democracy... But it's still not clear how the USSR could occupy a Republic, which had already been its part for more than 5 years. Roll Eyes

Exactly. If some Latvian was saying that his country was occupied by the USSR, then it was still believable. But Lithuanians, OMG!

Lithuanians were one of the ethnic groups who most actively supported the Soviet Communist party. And as an ethnic group, they benefited enormously from it. Off course, several tens of thousands fell victim to gulags and all that, but the proportion was much less when compared to the Latvians or Estonians (or even to the Russians).

The ethnic Lithuanian population grew much faster when compared to the ethnic Russian population during the Soviet rule. Remember that the Latvian population declined.
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April 18, 2014, 11:36:42 AM
havent read all the topic or other topics in this forum about Ukraine/Russia/USA but I want to tell my opinion whats happening there.
Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia) but in this case I cant be against it.
Why USA is always right? Why EU is always right? Maybe Russia is not some kind of holy country but its country, and biggest country in the world, which have right to have it own opinion/interests about all things happening in world. Russia took Cryme, where something like 90% livers are full native Russians, who love Russia and want Russia to take care of them (as I know Cryme was independend, something like state, from central goverment). So why Russia is bad now? Why world is quiet when USA takes middle east countries treasures? Maybe that countries is not super democracy or something but they dont have right to do sucha things like they do, but in fact they do that, I think they shouldnt have any word about Russia-Cryme business.

I think it's more about what is best for Ukraine. To me, it sure seems like Russia has been trying to strong-arm them into being part of Russia's sphere of influence, doing business primarily with Russia, obeying them, etc etc. The general Ukrainian public seems to prefer to try associating more with Europe and less with Russia, and this seems to have been the catalyst that caused the whole mess.

Should a country be bullied like this? I think not. I'm not denying that other states may be trying to influence events to lean in their favor but come on, every country does that and certainly Russia does that.

The whole idea of "oh but they held a vote and the people of region X or Y said they want to be integrated with Russia" is absurd. It's like gee, there's a massive army in their backyard, that their own military has no hope of repelling. Shall they say GTFO to Russia or shall they tell Russia that they'd love for them to stay?
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April 18, 2014, 10:31:46 AM
Read the books and always make your own judgement, don't listen any politicans ever. They are lying always, because the politician is synonymous with liar, the same is correct for lawyers. Smiley
If you're good liar then you will be a good politician/lawyer and vice versa. Cheesy

+1
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April 18, 2014, 10:25:15 AM
havent read all the topic or other topics in this forum about Ukraine/Russia/USA but I want to tell my opinion whats happening there.
Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia) but in this case I cant be against it.
Why USA is always right? Why EU is always right? Maybe Russia is not some kind of holy country but its country, and biggest country in the world, which have right to have it own opinion/interests about all things happening in world. Russia took Cryme, where something like 90% livers are full native Russians, who love Russia and want Russia to take care of them (as I know Cryme was independend, something like state, from central goverment). So why Russia is bad now? Why world is quiet when USA takes middle east countries treasures? Maybe that countries is not super democracy or something but they dont have right to do sucha things like they do, but in fact they do that, I think they shouldnt have any word about Russia-Cryme business.

It's not about who is good, it's about who is the least bad. Every country have it's interests, even Lithuania has a horse in this one.
It is dumb to "feel bad things to Russia" because it was the communist USSR which fucked our little country over, not RF or it's current citizens.
Also RF feeds our little countries buying our stuff, while US only feeds our politicians secretly. EU also feeds our countries now, but it's a very complicated money lending system.

I hate the "high moral ground" of US based news outlets, which is then forced onto our news as well.
 If you open up Lithuanian or Latvian delfi, and read some news, your up for some fun time.
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 09:55:55 AM
NATO tried to install puppet regime in the Crimea, had a hope to get a place for some democratic military bases here. They've failed and got a butthurt, that's why RF is bad now. Grin

Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia)
Lithuanian Communist party have won elections and then sent a request to join USSR in 1939. Seriously, I'm dying of laugh when I hear Seym's statements about the occupation in 1944 and these "90% of Lithuanians". Perhaps the elections weren't an ideal of democracy... But it's still not clear how the USSR could occupy a Republic, which had already been its part for more than 5 years. Roll Eyes

Lithuanian SSR was a part of USSR just like RSFSR (today it's called Russian Federation), if it was occupied then RSFSR was occupied too. You can also say something like "Vilnius was occupied by Lithuanian Republic", but I think that you understand what it's a senseless statement.  Wink

Read the books and always make your own judgement, don't listen any politicans ever. They are lying always, because the politician is synonymous with liar, the same is correct for lawyers. Smiley
If you're good liar then you will be a good politician/lawyer and vice versa. Cheesy
newbie
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April 18, 2014, 09:44:32 AM
havent read all the topic or other topics in this forum about Ukraine/Russia/USA but I want to tell my opinion whats happening there.
Im not Russia lover (I even maybe hate it a little bit as Lithuania, my country was ocupated in SSRS times and 90% of Lithuanians feel bad things to Russia) but in this case I cant be against it.
Why USA is always right? Why EU is always right? Maybe Russia is not some kind of holy country but its country, and biggest country in the world, which have right to have it own opinion/interests about all things happening in world. Russia took Cryme, where something like 90% livers are full native Russians, who love Russia and want Russia to take care of them (as I know Cryme was independend, something like state, from central goverment). So why Russia is bad now? Why world is quiet when USA takes middle east countries treasures? Maybe that countries is not super democracy or something but they dont have right to do sucha things like they do, but in fact they do that, I think they shouldnt have any word about Russia-Cryme business.
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April 18, 2014, 09:10:58 AM
Official resolution voted and adopted by the European Parliament -> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/summary.do?id=1239823&t=d&l=en


and we have not even talked about Right Sector. :1orglaugh

Ukraine's new fascist government:

Vice Prime Minister - Oleksandr Sych - Svoboda member
Minister of Education and Science - Serhiy Kvit -  Stepan Bandera All-Ukrainian Organization member
Minister of Defense - Ihor Tenyukh - Svoboda member (resigned)
Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food - Ihor Shvaika - Svoboda member
Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine - Andriy Mokhnyk - Svoboda member

Lies, propaganda... revolution almost every year :1orglaugh These are the reasons why we Europeans don't like the Ukrainians.
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 09:05:33 AM

Tanks driven by Right Sector nazis and Blackwater mercenaries trying to kill civilians who were protesting against them. Nothing new in this. This is happening every day, supported by the NATO. BTW... that lady was really courageous.
legendary
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 02:17:49 AM


Cheesy
legendary
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April 18, 2014, 01:53:50 AM
The real face of the Nazi Yatsenyuk and his master Obongo:

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