Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 63.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 21, 2014, 10:00:06 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 09:52:11 AM

As the civilians were pinned down, a group of 20 protesters with firearms came from the city. They opened fire on the attackers, killing two of them and sent the rest running. Five attackers were injured by the retaliating forces, protest leader, Vyacheslav Ponomaryev, said.

It all happened in one place. Plus your numbers wrong... let's try to follow the Russian news ,shall we?

No where in the article it states that the attackers stood there till the re-inforcements from the city arrived. It was a hit-and-run attack. That explains for the low number of deaths. The attackers were driving on their cars when they got ambushed.

Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 09:52:11 AM

26 civilians hiding from a heavy machine gun behind improvised barricades and only 3 died when they were hunted like wabbits , that is not believable at all.

They were not hunted like wabbits. It was a hit and run attack.

Bryant... let's get serious a bit ?!?

Frist your 8 civilians turned to be 20..
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As the civilians were pinned down, a group of 20 protesters with firearms came from the city. They opened fire on the attackers, killing two of them and sent the rest running. Five attackers were injured by the retaliating forces, protest leader, Vyacheslav Ponomaryev, said.

Ok , you know what pinned down , and "while" mean?

I go to all the trouble of reading the news from both sides , at least please read the news to which you post links.
It'a already clear to me that all pro Russian citizens are angels hunted by the demonic nazi forces in your opinion , but at least....

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 21, 2014, 09:44:49 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 09:36:20 AM

To claim that in those times the people guarding the check point weren't armed , while the people in center were is absurd.

Do these people look like armed mercenaries to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ4ffOWmZpM

Awful terrorists! Peacemaker Obama should put them in Guantanamo, to save the world from their evil!

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Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 09:52:11 AM

As the civilians were pinned down, a group of 20 protesters with firearms came from the city. They opened fire on the attackers, killing two of them and sent the rest running. Five attackers were injured by the retaliating forces, protest leader, Vyacheslav Ponomaryev, said.

It all happened in one place. Plus your numbers wrong... let's try to follow the Russian news ,shall we?[/quote]

No where in the article it states that the attackers stood there till the re-inforcements from the city arrived. It was a hit-and-run attack. That explains for the low number of deaths. The attackers were driving on their cars when they got ambushed.

Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 09:52:11 AM

26 civilians hiding from a heavy machine gun behind improvised barricades and only 3 died when they were hunted like wabbits , that is not believable at all.

They were not hunted like wabbits. It was a hit and run attack.

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When I last listened to the retransmissions of their internal chatter (which was, admittedly, a week ago), their block posts did indeed sound like unarmed groups of people of different age sitting at certain points, with volunteers being urged to drive water and food to the block posts. One the of the guys also urged people not to sit on the block posts with all people in full view, with some people being hidden and being able to call in for help, otherwise they risked being gunned down if shooting started.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 21, 2014, 08:55:16 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 06:20:38 AM

No offense but you're going to tell me that four cars with armed people drive to a checkpoint (what's this middle ages ??) opened fire , but managed to kill only 3 people and then waited until some people armed (unlike the ones defending the checkpoint) arrived to the scene "from the city" to get shot by them.

There were 7-8 people at the check-post. 3 were killed and the rest were injured. Some people escaped by hiding behind the barricades. The second incident took place far away from the check-post. People from the city chased the attackers and destroyed the car column.

Please re read the quoted article.

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The checkpoint was in the control of 26 civilians armed with bats. Their lack of firearms was due to a so-called “Easter truce” announced by both the Kiev authorities and the protest leaders to de-escalate tension.

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As the civilians were pinned down, a group of 20 protesters with firearms came from the city. They opened fire on the attackers, killing two of them and sent the rest running. Five attackers were injured by the retaliating forces, protest leader, Vyacheslav Ponomaryev, said.

It all happened in one place. Plus your numbers wrong... let's try to follow the Russian news ,shall we?

And... there is an mg in the "captured' guns, probably a mg3 as the picture is blurry , but if you've been in the army , 26 civilians hiding from a heavy machine gun behind improvised barricades and only 3 died when they were hunted like wabbits , that is not believable at all.

Give me that gun and a nice spot under a vehicle and no armed "citizen" would have managed to get near that checkpoint from the city.
The whole story is pure bs.

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Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 09:36:20 AM

To claim that in those times the people guarding the check point weren't armed , while the people in center were is absurd.

Do these people look like armed mercenaries to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ4ffOWmZpM

Most of the check points were manned by unarmed villagers, while those who occupied the building were armed.

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Quote from: dogechode on April 21, 2014, 09:16:14 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 06:20:38 AM

No offense but you're going to tell me that four cars with armed people drive to a checkpoint (what's this middle ages ??) opened fire , but managed to kill only 3 people and then waited until some people armed (unlike the ones defending the checkpoint) arrived to the scene "from the city" to get shot by them.

Even if you're pro russian... the story sounds very fishy.

It is clear that both sides were armed and it was a clash right from the start.

It sounds to me like one armed group showed up at an area that another armed group intended to deny them access to. They probably argued for a bit and then someone opened fire and a few people got killed and they dispersed/fled. Keep in mind a lot of people involved in this don't necessarily appear to be fully trained and/or organized properly.

This was my point.
To claim that in those times the people guarding the check point weren't armed , while the people in center were is absurd.
Why and how the hell were they guarding the checkpoint?

I don't care who were the attackers and why did they attacks. They were just a bunch of idiots just like the others having guns right now.

The point is that all this bs about "unarmed" pro russians militants is pure propaganda .
Both sides are armed and it seems they don't wait too long to choose a target.

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Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 06:20:38 AM

No offense but you're going to tell me that four cars with armed people drive to a checkpoint (what's this middle ages ??) opened fire , but managed to kill only 3 people and then waited until some people armed (unlike the ones defending the checkpoint) arrived to the scene "from the city" to get shot by them.

Even if you're pro russian... the story sounds very fishy.

It is clear that both sides were armed and it was a clash right from the start.

It sounds to me like one armed group showed up at an area that another armed group intended to deny them access to. They probably argued for a bit and then someone opened fire and a few people got killed and they dispersed/fled. Keep in mind a lot of people involved in this don't necessarily appear to be fully trained and/or organized properly.

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Quote from: niothor on April 21, 2014, 06:20:38 AM

No offense but you're going to tell me that four cars with armed people drive to a checkpoint (what's this middle ages ??) opened fire , but managed to kill only 3 people and then waited until some people armed (unlike the ones defending the checkpoint) arrived to the scene "from the city" to get shot by them.

There were 7-8 people at the check-post. 3 were killed and the rest were injured. Some people escaped by hiding behind the barricades. The second incident took place far away from the check-post. People from the city chased the attackers and destroyed the car column.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 20, 2014, 01:56:45 AM

Breaking News: 5 people killed in Right Sector attack on Donestk protester checkpost

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The fatalities came after a night attack on a protester checkpoint on the outskirts of the city, a Rossiya 24 news channel correspondent reported. Four cars drove by the checkpoint and opened fire at the local residents holding it, killing three people and seriously injuring another one. A group of protesters, who had firearms unlike those holding the checkpoint, was called from their camp in the city. They opened fire at the attackers, killing two of them, the report said. The protesters in the confrontation reportedly captured the attackers’ two cars. Firearms, explosives and aerial photos of Slavyansk were discovered there.

http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640

No offense but you're going to tell me that four cars with armed people drive to a checkpoint (what's this middle ages ??) opened fire , but managed to kill only 3 people and then waited until some people armed (unlike the ones defending the checkpoint) arrived to the scene "from the city" to get shot by them.

Even if you're pro russian... the story sounds very fishy.

It is clear that both sides were armed and it was a clash right from the start.

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Pictures from Slovyansk. Destroyed car column belonging to Right Sector:

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Breaking News: 5 people killed in Right Sector attack on Donestk protester checkpost

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The fatalities came after a night attack on a protester checkpoint on the outskirts of the city, a Rossiya 24 news channel correspondent reported. Four cars drove by the checkpoint and opened fire at the local residents holding it, killing three people and seriously injuring another one. A group of protesters, who had firearms unlike those holding the checkpoint, was called from their camp in the city. They opened fire at the attackers, killing two of them, the report said. The protesters in the confrontation reportedly captured the attackers’ two cars. Firearms, explosives and aerial photos of Slavyansk were discovered there.

http://rt.com/news/slavyansk-checkpoint-shooting-killed-640

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Ahaha just received this Cheesy

"Klitschko, redneck in politics."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldYeuLTyrzo

P.S. Asthmatics should watch this video with caution, unexpected fit of laughter may not be safe for you.

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Quote from: Balthazar on April 19, 2014, 10:55:06 PM

It seems that they have a lot of things to think about... If they don't want another maidan and democratic revolution on their own territory. But I hope that they are stupid enough, because that would be funny.

It is funny how the EU accuses other nations of human rights abuses, and at the same time deny even the basic rights to people living in its territory. Yes... they don't want any protest a la Maidan, but it is a shame that the EU is allowing this sort of discrimination in its territory.

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It seems that they have a lot of things to think about... If they don't want another maidan and democratic revolution on their own territory. But I hope that they are stupid enough, because that would be funny.

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Quote from: Balthazar on April 19, 2014, 01:12:12 PM

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By the way, there is a funny trolling... "Non-citizens" are allowed to move freely throughout the CIS, they don't need a visa. At the same time, "citizen" would be required to get a visa for this. Cheesy

But non-citizens can't vote in the parliament or local elections. No other country in the world disenfranchises a population based on the ethnic origin. And here in Latvia and Estonia, we have 20% of the population who are not allowed to participate in the elections, just because they are from the minority ethnic groups. Imagine what would have happened if Russia retracted the voting rights for Chechens living in Russia. Grin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGSqw34baCw

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"Kazakhstan, come here! A second season is about to begin!" Cheesy

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By the way, there is a funny trolling... "Non-citizens" are allowed to move freely throughout the CIS, they don't need a visa. At the same time, "citizen" would be required to get a visa for this. Cheesy

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Quote from: Balthazar on April 19, 2014, 11:25:02 AM

What do you think about a conception of "non-citizens"? Nowhere in the world you can see anything like this, nowhere except the "freedom loving" Baltic states.

Non-citizens exist only in Latvia and Estonia. Lithuania gave everyone citizenship regardless of their ethnic origin.

Quote from: Balthazar on April 19, 2014, 11:25:02 AM

All this hypocrisy, misanthropic ideology of the government are the reasons why Lithuanian, Estonian and Latvian nations are dying.

It is actually horrifying to see the Baltic nations dying out.

Lithuanian population has decreased by 19.88% during the last 2 decades. This was especially disappointing, since ethnic Lithuanians had a relatively high birth rate during the Soviet period.

Between the 2001 and 2011 Censuses, the ethnic Lithuanian population has declined from 2,907,293 to 2,561,314. That is 12% decline in just 10 years!

The Latvian population has declined by 24.82% during the last 2 decades!!!

Estonians have declined by 15.95%.

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