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legendary
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August 05, 2019, 07:05:28 PM
You maybe wrong here. Lottery is not about the predictions. Betting is used for the predictions. Lottery means that you take part in it with certain amount and if your name is chosen you will win big amount else you will lose your investment.
I wouldn't call that investment, besides bets are just money that seems like tokens on some arcades and then the winnings are just some compensations. Investments have risks but not like on gambling where risks are extremely in chances.
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August 05, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
If he computed the possible result by himself then why government arrested him?

lottery is about predictions right,if we predict the things rightly we are not allowed to play?

Seriously?
Why are you saying that if we predict rightly about lottery then we are not allowed to play?
Why?
I am certain we should play only lottery if we predict rightly, just like him. In sports betting gamblers do hard working to get experience to search a right strategy and prediction and he is already blessed then you suggest him to quit the lottery, Strange.
Did you forget to read the question mark at last?

I am just asking the same thing you were asked.
If he computed the possible result by himself then why government arrested him?

lottery is about predictions right,if we predict the things rightly we are not allowed to play?

You maybe wrong here. Lottery is not about the predictions. Betting is used for the predictions. Lottery means that you take part in it with certain amount and if your name is chosen you will win big amount else you will lose your investment.
So cheating is possible if there is some insiders.
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August 05, 2019, 08:52:42 AM
If he computed the possible result by himself then why government arrested him?

lottery is about predictions right,if we predict the things rightly we are not allowed to play?

Seriously?
Why are you saying that if we predict rightly about lottery then we are not allowed to play?
Why?
I am certain we should play only lottery if we predict rightly, just like him. In sports betting gamblers do hard working to get experience to search a right strategy and prediction and he is already blessed then you suggest him to quit the lottery, Strange.
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August 05, 2019, 08:26:41 AM
If he computed the possible result by himself then why government arrested him?

lottery is about predictions right,if we predict the things rightly we are not allowed to play?
Are you serious?

Why would the government arrest him if he doesn't do anything wrong?
It's a pure knowledge and skill that he applies to the game, he didn't cheat.
Lottery requires predictions but it's just optional, it depends on you if you will use some different strategy.

I don't like smart-shaming, he just use his brain.

Having a lot of people help you, or maybe invest in your ploy by giving you money to buy a lot of tickets, yes, they buy millions and millions of ticket and that is the reason they are winning. If you are owning a lottery game, would you allow it? Oh, and also they are printing tickets in their houses if he can only predict really and buy only one ticket, that would obviously not be cheating. Also, it is the government limiting his winnings since, it is the government. They don't want that kind of tactics so people could earn money except if that is them.
So its flaw on government side if they want that player to be restricted from playing without any cheats,even the lottery will lose its credibility if someone keep winning by computing the results so I guess that user cheated on someway that is why he arrested.
legendary
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August 05, 2019, 04:20:03 AM
I heard of this before and in fact even in small systems of gambling, especially with the ones that rely on horse bets, where the odds are always changed depending on demand, people can go in and manipulate the odds by placing big bets on some horses, and eventually whatever result, they make money.

Some people are math geniuses indeed, but I wouldn't say that's something you can always rely on:)
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August 05, 2019, 02:33:06 AM
Not worth the risk. No matter how many tickets you buy or how many lottery syndicates you join, the odds against the player are massive. It's still a big gamble. Too many people have spent years and tens of thousands of dollars chasing that elusive big win, only to die poor. No thanks. I'm not sold.

Yes, of course, that is not worth if we don't know or don't have good skills in cracking the code like that person. But if we have high-skills like him, I guess we will try to beat the system, and with our skills, we will try hard and perhaps, we have a chance to win like him. But still, that will be too risky for us because we can get caught by the system and that will be dangerous to us because we can get jail. I won't do that thing too like you because besides I don't have the skills to crack the code, I know that if I want to play or buy the lottery, I will need much money and that doesn't guarantee for me to win the prizes.

What people don`t understand is that for every system you need a lot of money to run it, there`s a minimum investment to cover basics and there`s always maximum investment to cover everything. If you noticed in the entire video we didn`t see how many lottery tickets he bought for every lottery, he didn`t win with just one ticket, he needed combinations, and more combinations mean more tickets, more tickets mean higher investment. He only states that you need to calculate possible combinations and lottery prize needs to be at least 3 times as big as the number of combinations. For a lottery that has 37 numbers, you need millions of dollars!
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August 05, 2019, 12:49:52 AM
Not worth the risk. No matter how many tickets you buy or how many lottery syndicates you join, the odds against the player are massive. It's still a big gamble. Too many people have spent years and tens of thousands of dollars chasing that elusive big win, only to die poor. No thanks. I'm not sold.

Yes, of course, that is not worth if we don't know or don't have good skills in cracking the code like that person. But if we have high-skills like him, I guess we will try to beat the system, and with our skills, we will try hard and perhaps, we have a chance to win like him. But still, that will be too risky for us because we can get caught by the system and that will be dangerous to us because we can get jail. I won't do that thing too like you because besides I don't have the skills to crack the code, I know that if I want to play or buy the lottery, I will need much money and that doesn't guarantee for me to win the prizes.
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August 05, 2019, 12:19:33 AM
Back in the old days I though mathematical studies are just a waste of time, the only exception is when we go to colleges we can use it if we study engineering. my thoughts we\re deceiving me that time when I was growing up I realize that math studies can be used to improve your mind on solving everyday activities it can make you a fast thinker as well.
Same goes for me mate, I really thought that only when you take the Engineering Track will be Mathematically Worthy of studying Math. Oh, wanna add some more, even on ANIME, they show you different usage of math in their everyday lives, I really didn't think such man exist nowadays, besides people now are kinda lazy,... Solving math problems is such a hassle. And yet we don't have a clue that in can also be used in gambling, and playing strategic games to win easy in every round,...
legendary
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August 04, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
The post by OP has made a lot of us think as if we are so unlucky that we never win in lottery and this magical man have won it 12 times in a row. This man is only one who is most luckiest person and you will not find any other individual who is too much lucky.
Can't tell that as a lucky thing, besides he used some mathematical equations to predict the winning numbers of that lottery game, so even given by that it would definitely increase his chances of winnings not just by pure luck for he already wasted some effort just to know the answers he's been finding for some quite time, and it really pays him off. This guy is quite telling us to be a genius in math and already proves us that math can be used on anything. LMAO.

(i might just do that if earth is back on the stone world, LOL)
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August 04, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
If he computed the possible result by himself then why government arrested him?

lottery is about predictions right,if we predict the things rightly we are not allowed to play?
Are you serious?

Why would the government arrest him if he doesn't do anything wrong?
It's a pure knowledge and skill that he applies to the game, he didn't cheat.
Lottery requires predictions but it's just optional, it depends on you if you will use some different strategy.

I don't like smart-shaming, he just use his brain.
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August 04, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
If he computed the possible result by himself then why government arrested him?

lottery is about predictions right,if we predict the things rightly we are not allowed to play?
hero member
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August 03, 2019, 07:43:00 PM
That is just amazing.

I heard the name before, as far as I know, we are arguing about the fact that the possibility in gambling is one in a million but our math teacher said that it is not that slim since people like him did an impossible, and used math. I think that is amazing and confusing at the same time. I am not a math wizard so I don't think that will be happening to other people. I also remembered the biggest Chine bank heist, this is the link to that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW0uzPJEO10, Credits to the owner of the Youtube Channel and video.

It is about a Chinese robbing the bank and then buying bulks of lottery tickets and if those won, they will take back what they have stolen and hope they can win more than they stole.
Nice video but seems too different from the OP since the one you shared is a robber while the OP is legit mathematical genius.but I love the concept of those robbers in having a idea of returning the money they robbed when they can just simply do the robbery and run away because we are talking about a million bucks here

But in the end still one is indeed that gambling has nothing to bring us but troubles in life
Gambling will really cause us troubles if we tend to abuse it too.But i still believe gambling is still good enough if its done with discipline.Mandel is really a smart and genius person that he come up winning 12 times in lottery which i think chances for winning is very rare.I have never heard this story happening in my own country.A lot of people have been buying lottery tickets most of the time but still end up losing.
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August 03, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
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That's exactly what happened. Thanks for posting your reply! I tried to explain it earlier, but maybe people need two different explanations, or maybe even more than that, because they keep posting that "mathematical genius" bs.

Also I want to add that the luck factor was involved there as well. His associates couldn't buy all the tickets, so they were lucky that most of the prizes didn't went to "wrong" people.
Buying all the tickets is a good way to maximize the odds of winning at lottery. This is great trick but for such an execution, you of course need some good amount of dollars which normally not everyone around have. In a given scenario like mentioned in your post, it is not very difficult to be the winner provided you have the investor by your side. IN many cases, investors however do not fund people due to the low odds of success.

Convincing the investors was an easy part in those cases, because those were not regular lotteries, as you can find them today. What the guy was doing, he was looking for +EV lotteries, where all the previously unclaimed jackpots combined were to be split among the next round participants.

The most important part of the story is that the US authorities have changed the lottery rules since then, so the Mandel's trick can never be performed again.

Mandel's trick is now a thing of the past, but because of this, lottery around the world make their bettors on equal chances, sometimes an anomaly can make something to correct a system for the betterment of everybody, maybe someone out there will try to exploit something in the new system. 
Yes, someone will and that would be the time to upgrade the system again. So far, there's no news about of someone exploiting the lottery system with their mathematical geniuses brain to beat it. Maybe someone already did and they just been living among us trying to blend in the society just to maintain the balance of taking what they just need.
No this is not like this I think it is applicable to earn from lottery with your luck but stop saying that warning from lottery could be done with help of some mathematical formula or with a system acceptance.....no lottery is about luck and lucky people can win even 10000000 times.
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August 03, 2019, 06:59:04 PM
wow.. he is totally an genius and have a little luck.

If you wanted to crack the code like him, you shoud:
1. Be a mathematical genius
2. Crack the new algorithms for the new system of lottery since its computerized now

I guess being lucky comes to his genius mind in the first place.

Source Link:
https://youtu.be/eOX7acjkGv0
I totally agree with should to be a mathematical genius, as Edward Thorp (The Father of Card Counting) said "try to figure out what your skill set is & apply that to the markets. if you are strong in computers and math, do the best with a quantitative approach". I think he is Edward Thorp student  Cheesy
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August 03, 2019, 09:14:15 AM
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That's exactly what happened. Thanks for posting your reply! I tried to explain it earlier, but maybe people need two different explanations, or maybe even more than that, because they keep posting that "mathematical genius" bs.

Also I want to add that the luck factor was involved there as well. His associates couldn't buy all the tickets, so they were lucky that most of the prizes didn't went to "wrong" people.
Buying all the tickets is a good way to maximize the odds of winning at lottery. This is great trick but for such an execution, you of course need some good amount of dollars which normally not everyone around have. In a given scenario like mentioned in your post, it is not very difficult to be the winner provided you have the investor by your side. IN many cases, investors however do not fund people due to the low odds of success.

Convincing the investors was an easy part in those cases, because those were not regular lotteries, as you can find them today. What the guy was doing, he was looking for +EV lotteries, where all the previously unclaimed jackpots combined were to be split among the next round participants.

The most important part of the story is that the US authorities have changed the lottery rules since then, so the Mandel's trick can never be performed again.

Mandel's trick is now a thing of the past, but because of this, lottery around the world make their bettors on equal chances, sometimes an anomaly can make something to correct a system for the betterment of everybody, maybe someone out there will try to exploit something in the new system. 
Yes, someone will and that would be the time to upgrade the system again. So far, there's no news about of someone exploiting the lottery system with their mathematical geniuses brain to beat it. Maybe someone already did and they just been living among us trying to blend in the society just to maintain the balance of taking what they just need.
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August 03, 2019, 09:00:10 AM
That is just amazing.

I heard the name before, as far as I know, we are arguing about the fact that the possibility in gambling is one in a million but our math teacher said that it is not that slim since people like him did an impossible, and used math. I think that is amazing and confusing at the same time. I am not a math wizard so I don't think that will be happening to other people. I also remembered the biggest Chine bank heist, this is the link to that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW0uzPJEO10, Credits to the owner of the Youtube Channel and video.

It is about a Chinese robbing the bank and then buying bulks of lottery tickets and if those won, they will take back what they have stolen and hope they can win more than they stole.
Nice video but seems too different from the OP since the one you shared is a robber while the OP is legit mathematical genius.but I love the concept of those robbers in having a idea of returning the money they robbed when they can just simply do the robbery and run away because we are talking about a million bucks here

But in the end still one is indeed that gambling has nothing to bring us but troubles in life
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August 03, 2019, 08:30:06 AM
That is just amazing.

I heard the name before, as far as I know, we are arguing about the fact that the possibility in gambling is one in a million but our math teacher said that it is not that slim since people like him did an impossible, and used math. I think that is amazing and confusing at the same time. I am not a math wizard so I don't think that will be happening to other people. I also remembered the biggest Chine bank heist, this is the link to that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW0uzPJEO10, Credits to the owner of the Youtube Channel and video.

It is about a Chinese robbing the bank and then buying bulks of lottery tickets and if those won, they will take back what they have stolen and hope they can win more than they stole.
legendary
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August 03, 2019, 08:04:05 AM
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That's exactly what happened. Thanks for posting your reply! I tried to explain it earlier, but maybe people need two different explanations, or maybe even more than that, because they keep posting that "mathematical genius" bs.

Also I want to add that the luck factor was involved there as well. His associates couldn't buy all the tickets, so they were lucky that most of the prizes didn't went to "wrong" people.
Buying all the tickets is a good way to maximize the odds of winning at lottery. This is great trick but for such an execution, you of course need some good amount of dollars which normally not everyone around have. In a given scenario like mentioned in your post, it is not very difficult to be the winner provided you have the investor by your side. IN many cases, investors however do not fund people due to the low odds of success.

Convincing the investors was an easy part in those cases, because those were not regular lotteries, as you can find them today. What the guy was doing, he was looking for +EV lotteries, where all the previously unclaimed jackpots combined were to be split among the next round participants.

The most important part of the story is that the US authorities have changed the lottery rules since then, so the Mandel's trick can never be performed again.

Mandel's trick is now a thing of the past, but because of this, lottery around the world make their bettors on equal chances, sometimes an anomaly can make something to correct a system for the betterment of everybody, maybe someone out there will try to exploit something in the new system. 
legendary
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August 03, 2019, 07:14:48 AM
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That's exactly what happened. Thanks for posting your reply! I tried to explain it earlier, but maybe people need two different explanations, or maybe even more than that, because they keep posting that "mathematical genius" bs.

Also I want to add that the luck factor was involved there as well. His associates couldn't buy all the tickets, so they were lucky that most of the prizes didn't went to "wrong" people.
Buying all the tickets is a good way to maximize the odds of winning at lottery. This is great trick but for such an execution, you of course need some good amount of dollars which normally not everyone around have. In a given scenario like mentioned in your post, it is not very difficult to be the winner provided you have the investor by your side. IN many cases, investors however do not fund people due to the low odds of success.

Convincing the investors was an easy part in those cases, because those were not regular lotteries, as you can find them today. What the guy was doing, he was looking for +EV lotteries, where all the previously unclaimed jackpots combined were to be split among the next round participants.

The most important part of the story is that the US authorities have changed the lottery rules since then, so the Mandel's trick can never be performed again.
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August 01, 2019, 02:48:55 PM
This answers all your question about odds and hack on the system to win in lottery or gambling.

Since the government becomes aware of his motives although it is legal in nature, they change the lottery rules and law for Mandel prevent winning. They even ban computer printing tickets for him to have hindrance. He even go to other countries to test his equations and even got some investors to buy tickets for him to succeed on his winning combination. Unluckily, he got prisoned on the last country and never did the act again.
Now you can see that lotteries are made for pure business, nothing more nothing less. Since some mathematician out there debunked or let's say know the patter to win they change the rules because they will lose more money if they let him continue. This is an eye-opening scenario, I hope some of you now realized that they are doing this not for amusement but mainly to empty your pockets.

He didnt break the code, that might be a feature in some case but this one involved maths and probability calculation which is clever but not past even those without degrees in maths.   
Actually, I thought this strange thing only happens in movies and novel (I suddenly remember Sylvester of Scorpion) but I guess I was wrong. It was so amazing that math makes everything possible Smiley.
Yes this is possible to become winner if lottery even 100 time if you have such good luck. Buying lottery and then hopping for the best is another thing but buying lottery and winning is another thing. There are allot of people who are earning with good luck I am also one of them once i invest in lottery and won second price.
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