Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... - page 182.

Davian144

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 579

Quote from: Koal-84 on November 02, 2022, 08:14:22 AM

Of course it is clear that you can't compare the seasons, for me this is just a straw for Jarvis, so that you don't put your head in the sand. Also Bagnaia has learned a lot this season and I think he doesn't want to risk everything, he said in an interview that he lost a lot of points because of his own mistakes and 4 crashes, Baganai was almost 100 points behind Fabio and nobody has ever managed to make up such a big gap.

Quote from: Koal-84 on November 03, 2022, 02:50:23 PM

Tomorrow is the last weekend of the MotoGP season, and unlike Formula 1 in MotoGP there are still two riders with a chance to win the title, even if the chance are small and almost impossible for Fabio. I expect Bagnaia to risk everything in qualifying to start from the front and ride the race more comfortably and safely. Fabio, on the other hand, has to risk everything and go to the limit every day.

If Bagnaia wants his race to be safer, then there is no need to take more risks in his last race to ensure he is world champion this season. Because Bagnaia only needs to target himself in the top ten if he wants to play safely and vice versa for Fabio who has to take more risks and also try as hard as possible to get a win in this last series.

LTU_btc

legendary

Activity: 3178

Merit: 1363

Slava Ukraini!

Quote from: tygeade on November 02, 2022, 03:25:20 PM

There is a double standard here if we are going to side with one of them. Ted Kravitz has all the right in the world to say that Lewis was robbed a championship and last year should have been Lewis and not Max, he has that RIGHT to say that.

But, it also means that Max has every right to be upset about it and not give any interviews or speeches or even a response to any Sky related channel neither. These are not mutually combined things, both Ted can say whatever he wants and Max could decline to speak to them, it could happen at the same time.

Looking at responses to this, one side says Ted shouldn't have said that, and the other side says Max should get over it and talk to Sky, we can have both at the same time without a problem. What kind of sport would it be if we forced Ted to apologize? That would be horrible, or what kind of sport it would be if we forced Max to speak to Sky?

I don't even argue whether his words is is right or no and I don't think that Ted should apologize for his words, that's his opinion after all. My point that Sky coverage is just so biased, when they're supposed to be neutral.. It wouldn't be problem if they would broadcast for UK only - it's normal to support your driver. But problem that they're covering F1 for most part of English speaking world like US, Australia, South Africa and etc. F1 TV streaming service also using their feed

coinlocket$

legendary

Activity: 2394

Merit: 1517

#1 VIP Crypto Casino

Haas has still not decided on the second driver of the following year.

Today they released an interview and said the spot would be 50 / 50 between Schumacher and Hulkeberg.

Steiner spoke too and he said the fine done to RBR is ridiculous and they will not penalize them at all.

TheGreatPython

sr. member

Activity: 2618

Merit: 335

Quote from: tokeweed on November 03, 2022, 10:01:02 AM

^ I wouldn't say 'robbed' as Verstappen didn't do anything to take anything from Hamilton. It was the FIA's fault... 'Michael, Michael this is so not right' will be a classic quote that will live on and be repeated again and again for years.

But yeah.. I could see both sides having they're own right to say and think what they want. But Ted Kravitz should be a tad more careful what he says in his show as it's really a touchy issue and he's a journo ffs. I've said this before... What the FIA should've done was release the drivers a couple or more laps before the lap they were released and without letting Verstappen lapping the drivers in front of him. That would've been a better way to do it. A fair way.

I was thinking a bit on the other side. I still think that everyone should have lapped the safety car to put the order in earlier. That way it would be from 1st to 20th (except the dnf cars already) in correct order when it started. Saying only the ones between Max and Lewis should lap safety car was the real problem.

Not that they restarted the race, of course that was the point, they wouldn't want the very last lap of the race that decided the winner on a season where 2 drivers came to last race with exact same points to 0.5 part it's exact same points, so they wanted them to race to end. Just let EVERYONE pass so the order would be right, then same result would be there, Max would have won again, but it would have made sense at least.

Distraction

sr. member

Activity: 2142

Merit: 424

It looks like Daniel Ricciardo is really close to becoming the third driver for Mercedes.

This must be still good news for Ricciardo because he hasn't been able to find a new team for himself until now. He has been speculated with some teams like Alpine and Haas but there hasn't been any positive or negative development about them. In fact, Alpine preferred to bring Gasly instead. I think that their next season could be really interesting with two young and competitive drivers.

Coming back to Ricciardo, it would be nice for him to be in one of the strongest teams in this situation. He would be like the backup driver for Hamilton until Hamilton retires. In this time period, I wonder if Ricciardo would like to leave if he gets an offer from a team as one of the main drivers. Because we don't know when Hamilton will retire. Maybe he will continue until winning his 8th world title.

Koal-84

legendary

Activity: 2562

Merit: 1116

Tomorrow is the last weekend of the MotoGP season, and unlike Formula 1 in MotoGP there are still two riders with a chance to win the title, even if the chance are small and almost impossible for Fabio. I expect Bagnaia to risk everything in qualifying to start from the front and ride the race more comfortably and safely. Fabio, on the other hand, has to risk everything and go to the limit every day.

tokeweed

legendary

Activity: 3976

Merit: 1421

Life, Love and Laughter...

^ I wouldn't say 'robbed' as Verstappen didn't do anything to take anything from Hamilton. It was the FIA's fault... 'Michael, Michael this is so not right' will be a classic quote that will live on and be repeated again and again for years.

But yeah.. I could see both sides having they're own right to say and think what they want. But Ted Kravitz should be a tad more careful what he says in his show as it's really a touchy issue and he's a journo ffs. I've said this before... What the FIA should've done was release the drivers a couple or more laps before the lap they were released and without letting Verstappen lapping the drivers in front of him. That would've been a better way to do it. A fair way.

tygeade

legendary

Activity: 2086

Merit: 1058

Quote from: LTU_btc on October 31, 2022, 06:16:08 PM

Max Verstappen decided to boycott Sky F1 after their reporter Ted Kravitz said that Lewis Hamilton was robbed on last race of previous season in Abu Dhabi. Such statements is one of reason why I can't watch races on Sky F1. They have great coverage of race, but when it comes to Hamilton, they're so biased and don't even try to be neutral. When you're neutral spectator or support other driver than Lewis, it really annoys.

Quote from: dothebeats on October 30, 2022, 07:39:16 PM

Tsunoda and Ricciardo collision isn't a pretty sight too. Not happy with only a 10-second penalty right there and I believe it should have been more.

Well, rules are rules, 10 seconds is already quite strict penalty, though, it could be something like stop and go penalty. Because now he eliminated his opponent from race and that penalty cost hime zero positions.

There is a double standard here if we are going to side with one of them. Ted Kravitz has all the right in the world to say that Lewis was robbed a championship and last year should have been Lewis and not Max, he has that RIGHT to say that.

But, it also means that Max has every right to be upset about it and not give any interviews or speeches or even a response to any Sky related channel neither. These are not mutually combined things, both Ted can say whatever he wants and Max could decline to speak to them, it could happen at the same time.

Looking at responses to this, one side says Ted shouldn't have said that, and the other side says Max should get over it and talk to Sky, we can have both at the same time without a problem. What kind of sport would it be if we forced Ted to apologize? That would be horrible, or what kind of sport it would be if we forced Max to speak to Sky?

Koal-84

legendary

Activity: 2562

Merit: 1116

Quote from: Davian144 on November 02, 2022, 02:51:27 AM

~

Quote from: swogerino on November 02, 2022, 04:23:50 AM

~

Of course it is clear that you can't compare the seasons, for me this is just a straw for Jarvis, so that you don't put your head in the sand. Also Bagnaia has learned a lot this season and I think he doesn't want to risk everything, he said in an interview that he lost a lot of points because of his own mistakes and 4 crashes, Baganai was almost 100 points behind Fabio and nobody has ever managed to make up such a big gap.

I would say that you can't compare the 2-stroke 500cc class with anything else, Rossi and Doohan...

swogerino

legendary

Activity: 3136

Merit: 1233

Top Crypto Casino

Quote from: blue Snow on November 02, 2022, 01:02:20 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on November 01, 2022, 05:48:45 AM

The clear favourite is Bagnaia, that he won't be champion is very unlikely but Lin Jarvis is still clutching at that little straw like in the 2006 World Championship when Rossi went into the final as the leader and by a crash he made Nicky Hayden to the World Champion, but Fabio would still have to win which I think is unlikely.

That small chance or most likely impossible for Quartararo to shift Bagnaia's place. All fans most likely hope he crashes and Quartararo goes to the podium, but in sports is not always as expected, some time is far from hope, and this year we sure will have a new champion, Ducati, Bagnaia has a good hand. Seem interesting when I look at the champion's history, 2019 is Honda, 2020 is Suzuki, 2021 is Yamaha, and 2022 is Ducati.

I doubt Bagnaia will be stupid enough to go and crash in this last race.He should be a rational rider and even ride somewhat slower than normal,it is important for him to be in the upper places of the points but he does need a win at all cost to become World Champion.

Quartaro had his chances and he lost them by crashing several times or not riding as well in some races,his chances are extremely slim to become World Champion this year.Nevertheless whoever wins this MotoGP is not the same compared with the times of Rossi,Biaggi,Stoner,Lorenzo and others.

Davian144

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 579

Quote from: Koal-84 on November 01, 2022, 05:48:45 AM

The clear favourite is Bagnaia, that he won't be champion is very unlikely but Lin Jarvis is still clutching at that little straw like in the 2006 World Championship when Rossi went into the final as the leader and by a crash he made Nicky Hayden to the World Champion, but Fabio would still have to win which I think is unlikely.

The MotoGP world championship in 2006 was a bit different because the result was known to everyone where Nicky Hayden who managed to finish in 3rd place in 2006 in Valencia immediately became world champion at that time because Valentino Rossi who after a crash was still able to continue racing and finished in 13th place which before the race started Valentino Rossi was still 8 points ahead of Nicky Hayden. [^reference]

This time it looks like it will be different, because Bagnaia will keep himself well and finish in a safer order in order to become world champion this season. But if Bagnaia continues to insist not to play it safe, the thing that is most feared is a crash and it is very fatal if it happens to Bagnaia. Although Quartararo will face a very tough race because he should be able to win in Valencia with a bike that is still very weak compared to other bikes like Ducati.

blue Snow

legendary

Activity: 1526

Merit: 1032

Up to 300% + 200 FS deposit bonuses

Quote from: Koal-84 on November 01, 2022, 05:48:45 AM

The clear favourite is Bagnaia, that he won't be champion is very unlikely but Lin Jarvis is still clutching at that little straw like in the 2006 World Championship when Rossi went into the final as the leader and by a crash he made Nicky Hayden to the World Champion, but Fabio would still have to win which I think is unlikely.

That small chance or most likely impossible for Quartararo to shift Bagnaia's place. All fans most likely hope he crashes and Quartararo goes to the podium, but in sports is not always as expected, some time is far from hope, and this year we sure will have a new champion, Ducati, Bagnaia has a good hand. Seem interesting when I look at the champion's history, 2019 is Honda, 2020 is Suzuki, 2021 is Yamaha, and 2022 is Ducati.

Koal-84

legendary

Activity: 2562

Merit: 1116

Quote from: Davian144 on October 31, 2022, 08:14:01 PM

~

The clear favourite is Bagnaia, that he won't be champion is very unlikely but Lin Jarvis is still clutching at that little straw like in the 2006 World Championship when Rossi went into the final as the leader and by a crash he made Nicky Hayden to the World Champion, but Fabio would still have to win which I think is unlikely.

Davian144

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 579

Given this week is the last series for the 2022 MotoGP which will take place in Valencia Spain. So there are several things that will end this year so that next year there will be many changes in the scope of MotoGP, in addition to the competition for the world champion this season for the two riders (Quartararo and Bagnaia) including: [^Reference]

Jack Miller's last race with Ducati
Enea Bastianini's last race with Gresini Racing
Rins and Mir's last race with Suzuki
Miguel Oliveira's last race with KTM
Pol Espargaro's last race with Honda
Darryn Binder's last race in the MotoGP class
Remy Gardner's last race in the MotoGP class
Raul Fernandez's last race with KTM (Tech 3)
Suzuki team's last race in the MotoGP class
RNF Racing team's last race with Yamaha
Alex Marquez's last race with LCR Honda

LTU_btc

legendary

Activity: 3178

Merit: 1363

Slava Ukraini!

Max Verstappen decided to boycott Sky F1 after their reporter Ted Kravitz said that Lewis Hamilton was robbed on last race of previous season in Abu Dhabi. Such statements is one of reason why I can't watch races on Sky F1. They have great coverage of race, but when it comes to Hamilton, they're so biased and don't even try to be neutral. When you're neutral spectator or support other driver than Lewis, it really annoys.

Quote from: dothebeats on October 30, 2022, 07:39:16 PM

Tsunoda and Ricciardo collision isn't a pretty sight too. Not happy with only a 10-second penalty right there and I believe it should have been more.

Well, rules are rules, 10 seconds is already quite strict penalty, though, it could be something like stop and go penalty. Because now he eliminated his opponent from race and that penalty cost hime zero positions.

emrecemsan

sr. member

Activity: 1750

Merit: 369

It was a race controlled by Verstappen easily from the start to the end. Hamilton was impressive in the first laps of the race especially and he was great about keeping a small gap with Verstappen until the pits. But Mercedes' strategy with hard tyres caused Hamilton to stay much slower than Verstappen in the rest of the race. He hoped Verstappen to slow down with mediums at one point but it didn't happen. The virtual safety car was a chance for Verstappen to get fresh tyres but it would have been a gamble at the same time. Because there weren't many laps left to the finish.

Ferraris were disappointing. But I've heard something like the reason of this slowness was Ferrari's mistake. They didn't have the right settings for this GP and they realized it too late. There was no chance for them to fix this big problem after that. This helped Perez take the 2nd place in the drivers standings once again from Leclerc. The gap is 5 points now. The podium was exactly the same as the previous race in Mexico by the way. Grin

swogerino

legendary

Activity: 3136

Merit: 1233

Top Crypto Casino

Quote from: Koal-84 on October 30, 2022, 07:31:39 PM

A superior start/finish victory for Verstappen. The strategy with the red and medium tyres was perfect from RedBull. If RedBull hadn't messed up Perez's pit stop, Perez might have finished second, but Perez is now on course for the second spot in the world championship.

I think Pirelli should be under investigation for making all the tires so hard that the mediums and hard barely had any noticeably difference.I think FIA should pressure them more to bring tires which are closer to the description and not the same tires with different names in order for the sport to become more beautiful and to give a chance to teams who will go for hard tires to stay longer,much longer on the track than the medium do but in yesterday race both type of tires stayed equally well in the track.

I agree,Verstappen is on another planet as a driver and he is now the only driver with 14 wins in a single season and he has another two races to even extend that record.

dothebeats

legendary

Activity: 3542

Merit: 1352

Cashback 15%

Quote from: LTU_btc on October 30, 2022, 06:51:53 PM

Yeah, not most interesting race. I expected that teams will go with 2 pit stop strategy, what maybe would made race more interesting. Mercedes expected that Red Bull will stop twice, this is why they put hard tyres on Lewis car to go till the end, but after all, Mercedes decision wasn't right.
Mixed feelings about Ricciardo. His result was great, but he ruined race for Tsunoda and got 10 second penalty which didn't affected final result, that's a bit unfair.
Good to see local hero Perez finish on podium.

Not a lot of interesting events happened in this race tbh. Just some blunders, some bloopers, and some really bad calls from some teams expecting that the other teams are going to pit. It's like they aired a half-baked tv show just to push through with schedule. But nonentheless, great drive from Perez overall. Most eyes are on Hamilton - Verstappen but Perez took my attention during the last laps of the race.

Tsunoda and Ricciardo collision isn't a pretty sight too. Not happy with only a 10-second penalty right there and I believe it should have been more.

Koal-84

legendary

Activity: 2562

Merit: 1116

A superior start/finish victory for Verstappen. The strategy with the red and medium tyres was perfect from RedBull. If RedBull hadn't messed up Perez's pit stop, Perez might have finished second, but Perez is now on course for the second spot in the world championship.

Velvet78

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1024

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

It was like we watched the same scenario as the previous race here. In that race, Verstappen won and Perez - Hamilton duo were in a competition for the second spot. It happened again and Perez couldn't overtake Hamilton once more. Actually he was really close to Hamilton a couple of times but he couldn't prevent the gap from getting bigger anyway.

Mercedes drivers had a good day as a result. Hamilton couldn't keep up with Verstappen but he still had a great race. I wonder if he would have even a better race in case Mercedes decided to put medium tyres on his car instead of hard ones. But I assume he wouldn't be able to overtake Verstappen due to a big power difference still.

Topic: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... - page 182. (Read 137833 times)