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In case somebody missed, FIA removed penalty from Alonso after almost week since race. Just yesterday they rejected Alpine protest, interesting why they changed their mind. It looks a bit ridiculous. Now orange black flag rule looks contraversial and there is too much room for interpretations.
I'm not sure about it. From words of head of company it seems that they don't want to put that much money into F1 and they're going to participate in other racing series.

Not only him.

They have already done the calculation.

With the extra money spent from RBR they got a doped car, yes it is mechanical doping after all for 4/10 per lap.

Considering the small penalty, is better to take the fine and get a overpowered car.

I just don't understand FIA. By giving a punishment like this will just encourage other teams to exceed the budget given to them as well. For example Mercedes are preparing to do this right away. I really don't want to see another drama next season. FIA should just act fair for every team to prevent any big problems in the future. Abiding by the rule book shouldn't be that hard.

It looks like the top drivers started fast by nice performances in FP1 already. For now Ferrari seem to be ahead as usual. Maybe even in qualifying things might go their way as well. However when it comes to the race we would watch another Red Bull dominance most probably. I think Verstappen would win and Perez would finish in second place.

Toto it's already ready to break the rules for 2023. ~XD

Like always, late and bad decision for FIA. Nothing surprise what they did for the action are not really gonna get some impact for the team & driver, this is just will create another time gonna to do the same excuse for next year's battle.

FIA FIA FIA

1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.707s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.753s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m20.827s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m20.827s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.849s
6   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m20.899s
7   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.083s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m21.120s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m21.310s
10   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.525s
11   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m21.762s
12   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.820s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.865s
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m21.952s
15   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m22.912s
16   Liam Lawson   NZL   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m23.861s
17   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m24.246s
18   Nyck de Vries   NED   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m24.582s
19   Jack Doohan   AUS   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m24.615s
20   Pietro Fittipaldi   BRA   Haas F1 Team   1m26.766s

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1015819/1/f1-2022-mexico-city-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


Close fight, second hour will be usless with (should be) randon compound tires for 2023 test purpose.

The punishment given to Red Bull was slap on the wrist. The 7 million euro penalty doesn't matter much for the team anyway. It would hurt if it was included in the spending limit, but it's not included.
The penalty for using 10% less wind tunnels will also affect it less. Since red bull finished this year in the 1st place, it has 70% wind tunnel usage right. When it decreases by 10%, there will be 63% usage rights. which will cause the penalty to actually affect 7%.

Now, when it comes to the fact that the amount spent is not too much, tax refunds, miscalculations etc., the penalty may seem normal, but reality is not like that. In the spending limit event, if you do not give heavy penalties to the teams that exceeded in the first year, the other teams will calculate the plus and minus over the next year. As a result, you are left with a stillborn spending limit system. Fia failed another one of his challenges in recent years.

There are few hours left for FP1 in Mexico GP. This is a special track for Sergio Perez obviously but he still has a difficult job ahead of him. By the way I have heard that they asked Verstappen about whether he will help Perez win in his home country. Verstappen underlined that there wouldn't be such thing and he would race as usual. It would be really weird to see this honestly. I mean how can Verstappen help him do this? He is already much faster than even Perez and he can't just slow down and try to keep the others behind while Perez is opening a big gap.

Aside from that I also find the decision about Red Bull's punishment as a little soft. Of course even small percentages can have a big impact in F1 but Red Bull still deserved a bigger punishment than this in fact.

Lol. I feel like the budget cap thing was enough, or just the wind tunnel stuff because that would not allow them to get a greater car in the long run, but to have all these three together? Thats a bit too much. At the end of the day what happened has happened and its not in the past and Red Bull has to focus on what they could do with the given penalties in the future so that they wouldn't be focusing on the wrong thing and suddenly find themselves in the middle of the pack. They have to use the limited amount of resources they will have at the maximum efficiency to stay at the top or they will go down hard.

^  You know I'm a Red Bull fan but I find myself kinda mostly agreeing with you.  It's way too soft.  The FIA should've done something like get the driver's championship from Verstappen and penalize him and the team by point reduction of -130 points.  That way Verstappen has 261 points vs Leclerc's 267 points which should make the season ending in a more exciting fashion. 

They could even do -140 point reduction which would make it even more exciting with just three races to go.  Lol.

We have a final decision for the Red Bull for his doped car.

1.6% of reduction of the next budget cap and 7 million € and a 10% of the decrease in wind tests.

Seems too soft to me.

In the golden era of Valentino Rossi or before Valentino Rossi was injured in 2010, the Yamaha motorcycle was also still in the weak category, but it could still be world champion in the hands of Valentino Rossi and in 2010 it could still be world champion in the hands of Jorge Lorenzo. This means that a Yamaha motorbike will be very extraordinary if there is a rider who knows how to ride it very well, because to understand a motorbike like Yamaha is not so difficult even though its character is different from other manufacturers' motorbikes.

Yes, Ducati changes their motorbikes and motorbikes very often every year, so when Jorge Lorenzo is at Ducati it is not immediately competitive because Jorge Lorenzo still needs to learn how the character of the Ducati motorbike itself is. And as for the world champion in the year after 2018 (which was Jorge Lorenzo's last year at Ducati), it will be very difficult to get a world champion because Marc Marquez is still very strong in 2019 and it is proven by the number of victories that Marc Marquez has achieved is very large. and even Marc Marquez almost always finished on the podium that year (both podiums 1, 2 & 3), but it was not managed by Marc Marquez because he himself fell while leading the race at his favorite circuit in Austin Texas.

Only manufacturer Honda has never won this season, so it's worth saying it's lost because Honda itself can't do much when the season is running. For Suzuki, I think it's a little different from Honda because the Suzuki factory has won the Australian Phillip Island race, but what's really unfortunate is that there will be no Suzuki factory again next year, which means this season is the last season for Suzuki.

Audi in the car market is an excellent brand,where I live now it is considered the most prestigious brand to have while before Mercedes Benz was seeing as an iconic car to drive.Based on the technologies that Audi has developed lately and they have made some records with Le Mans cars with their R17 some years ago I only expect them to be serious when joining F1 and to offer real competition and not to use this sport mostly as Renault have done,as a testing ground for technologies to implement in their normal cars,Audi does not need this so I hope they even join earlier than that.

The last series of MotoGP series in Valencia will be held next week, the heat of competition has started blowing from now on. Reportedly there are still 5 titles that will be won by the drivers, namely the MotoGP World Title, Moto2 World Title, best Moto2 debut title, best Moto3 debut title, while the Moto3 world title has been confirmed to belong to Izan Guevara.

However, starting this season, it is reported that the FIM and DORNA Sports have added one more award, namely the 'AGOSTINI FAN AWARD' which is dedicated to top class racers aka MotoGP who are involved in performing the most spectacular maneuvers or overtaking actions. Hmmm... can you guess who will get the Agostini Fan Award this season.

Yes, Yamaha has been weak for years (last years of the Rossi area, and Rossi oft say this the engine is to weak), and the advantage of the in-line engine has become smaller and smaller because Ducati has also become stronger. I think if Ducati had given Lorenzo another year or two, he might have been the next Ducati world champion after Stoner.

Ducati usually changes a lot of the bike from one season to the next, so Ducati always needs some time to understand the bike, see last season and this season with Bagnaia, it always takes them some time to understand everything with the new bike, maybe they often make one step too much, and Yamaha one step too little.

Honda has completely lost its way and Suzuki is just a shame, you can see what you can do with the in-line engine, in-line engine is not an excuse...

I heard about Yamaha's mistakes that make him hard to race, like the Aerodynamic aspects. So maybe with this case makes Quartararo look not balanced when racing on wet track beside the problem of a tire. So it was influential when he tried to increase speed, however the motor also can't balance in what he want. in with situation the fans must willing to the title this year will be taken Bagnaia.

Three more, maxico, brazil, abu dhabi and thats it then we are off to the new season. It’s going to be quite boring however to wait for next season and this new regulations and new car is not even there yet, the 2026 regulation changes will give us the big big change, it is going to be insane, both new cars that we have now and everyone works on the car (the chasis, the wings, the sidepods etc etc) but then in 2026 we are going to get HUGE technical changes to the engine and the works.

I am not worried about this year or next year, but I really cannot wait for that 2026, we are going to apparently have Audi as well who I assume will be last for first year, but that year will be the most epic in a long time, EVERYONE will be starting fresh, and we can see a race where aston martin and williams winning and mercedes/ferrari/redbull being at the bottom and losing. To be fair it will probably not be like that, but it could definitely see huge changes in the order.

Alfa Romeo will leave the Sauber in F1 in 2024.
Sauber will have Audi in 2026.

Alfa wants to stay in F1.

Not clear what will happen to Sauber in 2024 and 2025 before the deal with AUDI.

The most unique thing I've seen at Yamaha is that they were able to win the world championship last season even though the bike still looks weak and even weaker compared to other manufacturers' bikes. I was surprised by Ducati, which after 2007 looked so difficult to get a world champion, even though they (Ducati) already have a powerful engine, good traction, and also good acceleration in MotoGP. And if this year Ducati managed to bring its rider to become a World champion, then this is the second time for Ducati to get a World champion for their rider after the first in 2007 for Casey Stoner.

I wouldn't exactly say 'surprised' as Red Bull has one of the best drivers currently in F1 and still has the car on the grid.  It was more like a situational bet.  You get a scenario that Verstappen's opponents should've taken advantage of.  Especially Ferrari.  But due to Sainz's DNF and Leclerc moving down to 12 on the grid, how could they?  It's prolly just not meant to be.

Anyway how many more races?  Mexico, Brazil and back to the middle east?  I want it to be the next season please...  Lol.  There's nothing to anticipate in this one.

It is their decision,we as F1 fans do not care much and especially us in Europe because we have to wake up really early on a Sunday to follow the races in Asia.We have a lot of other tracks and I am especially looking forward to what I predict to be the best race ever of F1,the Las Vegas GP of 2023 in the capital of gambling of the world.

There are a lot of other countries who are eager to continue and be a part of FIA,as far as I heard even Albania is building a track called "Automotopark" based on standards of FIA and built with their collaboration.Of course it is in an early stages but this to show that even not very well developed countries would love to be part of the racing calendar.