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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 09, 2022, 05:24:35 PM

2 Weeks ago we got "la Gazzetta dello sport" and now we have "GpFans" from Holland.

They both agree Ferrari has chosen the next chief for the team.

Frederic Vasseur and according to them, he will be announced before the end of the month.

Vasseur I doubt to have more capabilities than Binotto but will have to see how it turns out.I think that Vasseur has enough experience in small to middle teams and it is now the time to come up to the big team and bring them back where they belong,there where they want to get the title back at all costs after so many years by missing it,sometimes because of not making a great car and even in those times when they made it,they either screw it up by pit stop wrong strategies or like the time when Vettel got two times out of the race and this costed him the title.

Personally though I find it difficult for the new guy to bring back the team at such levels.

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It was really for the first time in seven years that Hamilton couldn't win any race in a season. This was as a result of Mercedes' losing a lot of power against Red Bull - Ferrari duo of course. After the regulation change you mentioned, Mercedes started to benefit from it very much but the time was still limited for Hamilton to win a race. Russell got his first win in his career but there wasn't any turn for Hamilton I'm afraid. But if Mercedes keep improving their car they can compete for the championship again.

Some people might be criticizing Hamilton for not having a good season at all. But this season doesn't show it like Hamilton isn't a that much impressive driver. If Verstappen was in Mercedes' seat this season he would have also had a similar season. The power of the car just limits the driver of that car very much.

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It is a pity that we now have to wait a few months for the new start of the Formula 1 season. I don't see any news yet regarding any new contracts or new drivers, but the season also doesn't start until March/April. In any case, Red Bull will start the new season as the favorite. Ferrari have had a disappointing season, especially when you consider how well they started the season. Leclerc seemed to be able to enter into a serious title fight with Verstappen, but has dropped out very often. And Hamilton? He has won 0 races this season.

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Side news, Riccardo who is now only a 3rd driver for Redbull for the following year will may participate at the 24hours of LeMans.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-piloti/ricciardo-apre-alla-24-ore-di-le-mans-nel-2023-643217.html

For sure he will not if something changes with the seats of the cars.

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Vasseur is definitely better than Binotto that's for sure, he should be providing some improvement but will it be a long term I am not sure. I think it is not going to be enough, he is a great engineer who has his starts at building his own team so he knows how to manage by literally owning his own team, having full control, he is the CEO of Alfa Romeo racing, that is not an easy task. So at the end of the day, this will be an improvement there is no doubt about that and the strategy and pit wall problems should get lower and lower.

However, building a car was Binottos deal, he always provided a great car, everything else was worse for him, but Vasseur may not build a car that good. I just wish they just kept Binotto and let him build the car, and then get Vasseur to handle the in season stuff afterwards, best of both worlds.

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2 Weeks ago we got "la Gazzetta dello sport" and now we have "GpFans" from Holland.

They both agree Ferrari has chosen the next chief for the team.

Frederic Vasseur and according to them, he will be announced before the end of the month.

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F1 analysts and commentators created a performance chart by averaging the race pace of the teams. Many F1 analysts and commentators average race paces over a twenty-two-race season to create a team performance chart at the end of the season. It was stated that the fastest vehicle according to the averages of the race tempos was the RB18. Ferrari and Mercedes have taken second and third places. The ranking is as follows:
*%1= 1 Second

Red Bull (RB18): 0.00%. (Fastest vehicle, reference point)
Ferrari (F1-75): +0.19%.
Mercedes (W13): +0.59%.
Alpine (A522): +1.46%
McLaren (MCL36): +1.56%
Aston Martin (AMR22): +1.84%.
Alpha Tauri (AT03:) +1.84%.
Alfa Romeo (C42): +1.87%
Haas (VF22): +2.06%
Williams (FW44): +2.29%
Source: https://tr.motorsport.com/f1/news/2022-f1-sezonunun-en-hizli-araci-hangisiydi-hangi-takim-ne-kadar-gelisti-/10409689/

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Quote from: Luzin on December 04, 2022, 09:43:49 AM

Then the latest news I heard in the local media. It is reported that the VR46 Team, which currently uses Ducati, will move to Yamaha in 2024. This is because the Yamaha RNF Team has gone to Aprilia. So Yamaha doesn't have a satellite team at the moment and this is an opportunity for VR46 to step in to fill this void.

The news was made by the president of FIM, Jorge Viegas, where the VR46 team itself had not decided anything for its steps in 2024 and VR46 director Uccio Salucci admitted that he was surprised by this news so he immediately made clarifications about this so that it would not become a long commotion because it was already circulating in all local and foreign media.

“This is a story that never ends. Previously, they said we would have several Yamahas in 2023, now it has been postponed to 2024," said Rossi's best friend, quoted by GPOne.com. "I don't know why Viegas dropped such a bomb, it's a bit strange because we don't know anything about it. We have a three-year contract with Ducati and it expires at the end of 2024, with an option to renew it for two more seasons.

"Without a doubt, we will respect the agreement we have signed, then we will see whether in 2025 we continue (with Ducati) or not. As I always say, for us the most important thing is to have a competitive bike." Source: motorsport.com

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Mercedes showed signs of improvement all season, they started barely top 10 at first, then they became arguably third, then they became clearly third best, then they even fought for second best, and maybe on the last two races competed against the very best as well. That type of improvement over course of one season, and then moving to next season where there aren't much regulation changes, means that they are going to start at the top for sure.

The real big shuffle will happen in 2026 when cars are basically new, but until then, Mercedes still has one of the best turbo engines ever, and that should give them a good chance to be at the top for sure.

Mercedes got a good improvement after the (never happened before) change of regulation in this summer.

They increased the height of all the car to reduce the purposing effect, the team with the biggest advantage was the Mercedes and the team with the biggest lost was Ferrari according to the simulations done at the time.

That is why I never agree with changing regulations in the middle of a season,you intentionally or unintentionally favor or disfavor a team and the team who you favor will have nothing to say but the one which loses will have a lot to say about the decisions of the FIA and I would agree that Ferrari lost a lot after such changes.They almost lost the battle against Mercedes as a team and they were lucky to have a great final race that made them win the second place both in drivers and constructors Championship.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 08, 2022, 02:28:50 PM

Mercedes showed signs of improvement all season, they started barely top 10 at first, then they became arguably third, then they became clearly third best, then they even fought for second best, and maybe on the last two races competed against the very best as well. That type of improvement over course of one season, and then moving to next season where there aren't much regulation changes, means that they are going to start at the top for sure.

The real big shuffle will happen in 2026 when cars are basically new, but until then, Mercedes still has one of the best turbo engines ever, and that should give them a good chance to be at the top for sure.

I don't think they were that good, for me Mercedes has lost its prominent place that it lost this last season with the introduction of the new technical regulations.

In fact, it's been a long time since Mercedes stopped being the protagonist of F1, but it is well committed to the development of the car for the next championship... to the car and operations... and also in Brixworth in the UK with its engine.

Even so, I wouldn't be so optimistic, because despite the good expectations, Mercedes has already failed with its new car project in the first year of the new technical regulation and was well behind the innovations presented by Ferrari and RBR.

I hope that for 2023 they have adjusted the problems and actually show good results with their "new car"

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 08, 2022, 02:28:50 PM

Mercedes showed signs of improvement all season, they started barely top 10 at first, then they became arguably third, then they became clearly third best, then they even fought for second best, and maybe on the last two races competed against the very best as well. That type of improvement over course of one season, and then moving to next season where there aren't much regulation changes, means that they are going to start at the top for sure.

The real big shuffle will happen in 2026 when cars are basically new, but until then, Mercedes still has one of the best turbo engines ever, and that should give them a good chance to be at the top for sure.

Mercedes got a good improvement after the (never happened before) change of regulation in this summer.

They increased the height of all the car to reduce the purposing effect, the team with the biggest advantage was the Mercedes and the team with the biggest lost was Ferrari according to the simulations done at the time.

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Ferrari just have a consistency problem indeed. Their beginning to this season was amazing. Their car was very promising as it was even faster than Red Bull's. We all know how Leclerc started to the season in the end. Red Bull started to deal with durability problems earlier than Ferrari but fixed it in a shorter time than them anyway. If Ferrari were able to do the same they would still be in a championship race. We could have watched a great competition between Leclerc and Verstappen for the championship also.

Maybe even Ferrari pit crew would have been more concentrated on their job. Because I think the reason of those some big mistakes in pit lane was some decrease in their mental condition. Ferrari just needed better mechanics for success. I hope they can change to be better after this resign by Binotto.

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I don't think Ferrari can compete with RedBull next year but I'm sure the battle will be tighter than what we had this year. As long as Max has a great car , he pretty looks unstoppable and I'm not a fan of him but the kid is one of the greatest but Charles is up there as well , he just needs Ferrari to develop a steady car for an entire season. Grin

Well, this year Ferrari was competitive at the start but Redbull did progress better and maybe doped the car this year too.

For the following year, I will bet on Mercedes.

Mercedes showed signs of improvement all season, they started barely top 10 at first, then they became arguably third, then they became clearly third best, then they even fought for second best, and maybe on the last two races competed against the very best as well. That type of improvement over course of one season, and then moving to next season where there aren't much regulation changes, means that they are going to start at the top for sure.

The real big shuffle will happen in 2026 when cars are basically new, but until then, Mercedes still has one of the best turbo engines ever, and that should give them a good chance to be at the top for sure.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on December 04, 2022, 01:08:47 PM

How would the F1 drivers actually enjoy themselves in these months? They have quite a lot of free time now, because the season will not start again until around March. Vacation and being free is nice, but eventually you have had enough of that. And you can't just go racing in a car, it's not like football that you train for an hour. Perhaps they spend a lot of time on the simulator and go to the gym regularly. What can we expect from Nick De Vries next season? Would he get another chance at Mercedes or will it be Hamilton and Russell?

What I hear is that next year Nyck de Vries will be on AlphaTauri to replace Pierre. We know he's had good performances, but Mercedes still has Hamilton and Russell, and it's going to be difficult for Nyck to replace them.

Next season will be very interesting because there are some new names and new changes, and I bet that next year Red Bull will also lead the way.

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Quote from: boltz on December 07, 2022, 04:11:42 PM

I don't think Ferrari can compete with RedBull next year but I'm sure the battle will be tighter than what we had this year. As long as Max has a great car , he pretty looks unstoppable and I'm not a fan of him but the kid is one of the greatest but Charles is up there as well , he just needs Ferrari to develop a steady car for an entire season. Grin

Well, this year Ferrari was competitive at the start but Redbull did progress better and maybe doped the car this year too.

For the following year, I will bet on Mercedes.

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I don't think Ferrari can compete with RedBull next year but I'm sure the battle will be tighter than what we had this year. As long as Max has a great car , he pretty looks unstoppable and I'm not a fan of him but the kid is one of the greatest but Charles is up there as well , he just needs Ferrari to develop a steady car for an entire season. Grin

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Quote from: safari88 on December 07, 2022, 02:58:35 PM

I have also seen the news regarding the chosen host cities. It will make little difference to Red Bull where they will drive. Regardless of which cars the competitors are going to put out, red Bull with Max Verstappen is the towering favorite for me. We have all seen how good Hamilton is in a good Mercedes car, but if the car is not optimal then he has no chance of winning the world title. Even with Russell as 2nd driver that will not work. Mercedes' last race was not bad, but it is not enough to compete for the championship. Or can we expect a number of changes to the regulations again?

Technically Verstappen is going to be favoured by bookmakers again also. Because for now we can just be more confident about Red Bull's car as we have seen it very strong for a long time. However there is a feeling inside me like next season could be a little different than this one. Because we should take Mercedes' big improvement into account also. They started the season really poorly. They weren't only behind Red Bull. They were so weak against Ferrari also. Mercedes gave up on every championship very early in the season.

However they started to develop their car very much in the recent times. It made a big impact on the drivers. They started to close up the gap with Ferrari and Red Bull both. They even started to be better than Ferrari later on. Even Verstappen was worried about keeping up with Mercedes drivers in some of the final races. Therefore if Mercedes start the new season with a strong car then the balances can change a lot.

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I have also seen the news regarding the chosen host cities. It will make little difference to Red Bull where they will drive. Regardless of which cars the competitors are going to put out, red Bull with Max Verstappen is the towering favorite for me. We have all seen how good Hamilton is in a good Mercedes car, but if the car is not optimal then he has no chance of winning the world title. Even with Russell as 2nd driver that will not work. Mercedes' last race was not bad, but it is not enough to compete for the championship. Or can we expect a number of changes to the regulations again?

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It is official now for F1.

The following year we will have 6 Sprint races and they will be

Baku, Austria, Spa, Qatar, Austin and Brazil.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/sprint-2023-baku-austria-spa-qatar-austin-e-brasile-calendario-drs-642925.html

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 03, 2022, 06:03:56 PM

The FIA is thinking of changing the rules of the formula again.
This time they are talking about changing the penalties in case a team has to change engine parts over the limit.

Currently, anyone who goes beyond the limit of permitted changes takes a penalty on the starting grid, they are thinking of moving the penalty to the first pit box.

They think it's more severe as a penalty but I think it can have the opposite effect.

It's not about the effect, it's about fairness. It's all about optics and how it will all look from the fans' point of view. I don't want to see my favorite driver get pole but then get a 5 grid penalty and start at third row or something. If he got pole position, I want to see him start from pole. The same thing goes if my favorite driver got pole position because the guy in front of him got a penalty.

So yeah... Getting a time penalty from the pit box is a good adjustment imho. I mean what difference does it really make in a sport like F1. We've seen Verstappen start from 10th on the grid and still get to the podium.

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