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Quote from: swogerino on October 09, 2022, 01:17:59 PM

Congratulations to Verstappen which showed a huge consistency and a great maturity for a driver of his age,he fully deserved this year to be Champion much different than last year were a lot of polemics decided it.The race was beautiful today but it was early in the morning so I missed it,could not wake up at 6:45 AM but announcing it in a post race interview is not the best way to announce the second title for Verstappen,this was an error especially considering we were at Honda home race and they should have been much more prepared when everybody was expecting the second title.

Much different?

He is running for 2 years with a doped car.
They had spent around 5-10 million over the cap, keep in mind the engineering work in 1 car is around 4-5 million here.

We have rules and they are doing what they want every race.

And yes is doping, mechanical doping.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 09, 2022, 07:17:57 AM

So again very strange decisions from the FIA, now there are the full points again and not the half points, you don't have to understand everything the FIA does.

But congratulations to Max Verstappen, this year it was a well-deserved world championship title, and Ferrari itself helped a lot with the early world championship title.

Congratulations to Verstappen which showed a huge consistency and a great maturity for a driver of his age,he fully deserved this year to be Champion much different than last year were a lot of polemics decided it.The race was beautiful today but it was early in the morning so I missed it,could not wake up at 6:45 AM but announcing it in a post race interview is not the best way to announce the second title for Verstappen,this was an error especially considering we were at Honda home race and they should have been much more prepared when everybody was expecting the second title.

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FIA were a huge fiasco today. I really wonder what kind of people are in race control now. This was an important race for Verstappen to announce his second title. I don't know how FIA can't get more prepared for a special race like this. They made really unbelievable mistakes. Some of them were like:

- We saw a tractor coming in before the drivers entered pit lane.
- They finished the race one lap early.
- Gasly got unbelievable penalties like 20-sec time penalty and 2 penalty points for speeding under red flag (But as for FIA's huge mistake about the tractor, there is no problem according to them

).
- They shouldn't have given full points for this race because it wasn't even a full race.
- They weren't even sure of Verstappen's championship for a while. Cheesy

I think Leclerc's penalty was fair because he pushed Perez outside while Perez was trying to overtake him. We see 5-sec penalty being given in this kind of situations actually.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 09, 2022, 05:41:59 AM

It would be something unbeleavable if he wouldn't received penalty for cutting corner and gaining advantage.

The common sense is to give penalty in the following circumstances:

- is not the 1st cut they do during the race
- the opponent is doing an overtake and you gain an advantage doing the cut.

Both of these requirements were missing.

I don't think I can recall a case of a 5-second penalty for a cut while the opponent is not doing an overtake.

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So again very strange decisions from the FIA, now there are the full points again and not the half points, you don't have to understand everything the FIA does.

But congratulations to Max Verstappen, this year it was a well-deserved world championship title, and Ferrari itself helped a lot with the early world championship title.

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Easy win for Max and now he won his 2nd champion title is hilarious. But the way they announced it is hilarious. First they announce it on post race interview, later they probably didn't figured out whether full or 50% points will be awarded and in rest room it was said that Max isn't champion yet. And finally after awards were given, here comes Button to announce that Max is champion.
I already thought that race won't happen and we will have another Spa. Fortunately, we saw race. But it's almost impossible to overtake in Suzuka in such conditions and without DRS.
And finally GOATifi gets his first 2 points this season. And he deserved it today.

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Easy win for Max, I'm guessing Leclerc is under investigation, just imagine if he gives him 5 seconds now...

It would be something unbeleavable if he wouldn't received penalty for cutting corner and gaining advantage.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 09, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

Quote from: swogerino on October 08, 2022, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 08, 2022, 10:17:15 AM

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Pole position for Max but he is under investigation.

He deserves a penalty for impeding to Norris but as we already know, RBR is basically immune and he will keep the 1st position.

I don't think it was that big of a deal to get a penalty. It was a misstep, sure.. And a dumb one. But really would Leclerc or Hamilton be given a penalty if they did it? I don't think so. They'll be reprimanded like Verstappen was reprimanded but it doesn't deserve a penalty imho.

This an interesting market...

Group 4:

Gasly, Pierre 3.00
Tsunoda, Yuki 3.00
Zhou, Guanyu 3.00
Schumacher, Mick 5.00

What do you guys think and who would you pick? Gasly could be the best driver here but he's behind those other drivers. :/

From those 4 you have chosen in theory yes an odd of 3 should be really generous on Gasly but keep in mind that tomorrow we are racing under race conditions and that is why we see such high odds for all the drivers because of the unknown the rain brings.

If we were in normal conditions between those 4 drivers I think the real odd of Gasly should be something like 1.7 to 1.8 as a maximum.Still from the bets I prefer head 2 head bets in F1,they are much easier to find if the cars do not have failures of any kind.

Seeing how everything in the race panned out right now, it looks like dropping a little coin on Mick Schumacher would've been a good value bet. Case in point, the rain made it very unpredictable so the best move was to pass and save your money. And if ever you reeeally wanted to degen it up and still make a bet at these track conditions, just go for the guy that's paying the most value.

Anyway, I'm seeing a counter at the top left corner that has a count down. It's '1:46:57' rn.. I'll assume that's how long we wait before the FIA decides if the race goes on or not. :/ Lmao. Fk this am going back to sleep.

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RBR is just much better, they are faster in any condition.

Easy win for Max, I'm guessing Leclerc is under investigation, just imagine if he gives him 5 seconds now...

I can’t believe how messy this race got, but in the end we have a winner in Max who has won the world title and in my opinion which I think I have said it before too that he’s the new Hamilton, and this seems to be the end of the Hamilton era. @coinlocket$ you jinxed him didn’t you, because he got a 5 second penalty and with this Ferrari continues to disappoint despite promising a lot they just can’t seem to deliver.

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RBR is just much better, they are faster in any condition.

Easy win for Max, I'm guessing Leclerc is under investigation, just imagine if he gives him 5 seconds now...

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Hopefully it won't happen in Japan like it did in Belgium last year, with points being handed out here as well. Is there an exact regulation? I would be in favour of it, if the race is no longer started, there should also be no points.

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It doesn't feel like this race will start again. I think they should give it a try and see how it goes. Hamilton also seems to be eager to race now as he shared a story on his Instagram. There's nearly one hour left for the end of the maximum time of the race.

I wonder what FIA are planning to do about Gasly's complain. It was really dangerous to put a tractor on the track while the drivers were still racing actively. Gasly could have crashed into it and the consequences would be really worrying. We've lost Bianchi in the past because of a similar reason. However FIA don't seem like they even care about this considering their answer. It's so wrong. Sad

When it comes to the start I wouldn't be surprised if Verstappen - Leclerc duo had a crash. Because Verstappen took a big risk by pushing to the limit from the outside of Leclerc to get past him again. Leclerc had a really good start there. I'm sad for Sainz as he made a simple mistake and it cost him the race.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 08, 2022, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 08, 2022, 10:17:15 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 08, 2022, 03:25:11 AM

Pole position for Max but he is under investigation.

He deserves a penalty for impeding to Norris but as we already know, RBR is basically immune and he will keep the 1st position.

I don't think it was that big of a deal to get a penalty. It was a misstep, sure.. And a dumb one. But really would Leclerc or Hamilton be given a penalty if they did it? I don't think so. They'll be reprimanded like Verstappen was reprimanded but it doesn't deserve a penalty imho.

This an interesting market...

Group 4:

Gasly, Pierre 3.00
Tsunoda, Yuki 3.00
Zhou, Guanyu 3.00
Schumacher, Mick 5.00

What do you guys think and who would you pick? Gasly could be the best driver here but he's behind those other drivers. :/

From those 4 you have chosen in theory yes an odd of 3 should be really generous on Gasly but keep in mind that tomorrow we are racing under race conditions and that is why we see such high odds for all the drivers because of the unknown the rain brings.

If we were in normal conditions between those 4 drivers I think the real odd of Gasly should be something like 1.7 to 1.8 as a maximum.Still from the bets I prefer head 2 head bets in F1,they are much easier to find if the cars do not have failures of any kind.

Seeing how everything in the race panned out right now, it looks like dropping a little coin on Mick Schumacher would've been a good value bet. Case in point, the rain made it very unpredictable so the best move was to pass and save your money. And if ever you reeeally wanted to degen it up and still make a bet at these track conditions, just go for the guy that's paying the most value.

Anyway, I'm seeing a counter at the top left corner that has a count down. It's '1:46:57' rn.. I'll assume that's how long we wait before the FIA decides if the race goes on or not. :/ Lmao. Fk this am going back to sleep.

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Verstappen was only reprimanded after that dangerous moment with Norris. I don't know what the rules say about this and I hope FIA abided by the rules. Other than that, I believe he deserved the pole by a solid lap. Leclerc and Sainz both were pretty close to Verstappen by 0.01s and 0.05s gaps respectively. There was a really fierce fight between this trio in qualifying maybe but this shouldn't be misleading of course.

Ferrari still don't have a car that is as fast and durable as Red Bull's so Verstappen can get another win here easily and announce his second title officially also. This is an important race for Honda so Red Bull will hope one of their drivers to win here. But if we see some rain tomorrow then it'd be really difficult to predict the final result.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 08, 2022, 10:17:15 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 08, 2022, 03:25:11 AM

Pole position for Max but he is under investigation.

He deserves a penalty for impeding to Norris but as we already know, RBR is basically immune and he will keep the 1st position.

I don't think it was that big of a deal to get a penalty. It was a misstep, sure.. And a dumb one. But really would Leclerc or Hamilton be given a penalty if they did it? I don't think so. They'll be reprimanded like Verstappen was reprimanded but it doesn't deserve a penalty imho.

This an interesting market...

Group 4:

Gasly, Pierre 3.00
Tsunoda, Yuki 3.00
Zhou, Guanyu 3.00
Schumacher, Mick 5.00

What do you guys think and who would you pick? Gasly could be the best driver here but he's behind those other drivers. :/

From those 4 you have chosen in theory yes an odd of 3 should be really generous on Gasly but keep in mind that tomorrow we are racing under race conditions and that is why we see such high odds for all the drivers because of the unknown the rain brings.

If we were in normal conditions between those 4 drivers I think the real odd of Gasly should be something like 1.7 to 1.8 as a maximum.Still from the bets I prefer head 2 head bets in F1,they are much easier to find if the cars do not have failures of any kind.

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That time zone thing is horrible, I mean sure they need to make it a decent time in Japan to make sure that there are a lot of people who come to watch, and that is a huge amount of money, not only tickets but merchandise gets sold, and sponsorships are made there, millions of dollars depending on the proper time in Japan, or wherever the race is at that day.

But, it is literally wake up with the rooster hours here, I cannot really bother to wake up that early, maybe I will catch the ending of it tomorrow, I can't imagine waking up earlier than that, it's 7 AM and I am not really fan of it, wish I was back at home, it would be at least 10 AM there, would make more sense.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 08, 2022, 03:25:11 AM

Pole position for Max but he is under investigation.

He deserves a penalty for impeding to Norris but as we already know, RBR is basically immune and he will keep the 1st position.

I don't think it was that big of a deal to get a penalty. It was a misstep, sure.. And a dumb one. But really would Leclerc or Hamilton be given a penalty if they did it? I don't think so. They'll be reprimanded like Verstappen was reprimanded but it doesn't deserve a penalty imho.

This an interesting market...

Group 4:

Gasly, Pierre 3.00
Tsunoda, Yuki 3.00
Zhou, Guanyu 3.00
Schumacher, Mick 5.00

What do you guys think and who would you pick? Gasly could be the best driver here but he's behind those other drivers. :/

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Quote from: boltz on October 08, 2022, 06:34:06 AM

I've missed qualifiers because of the early hour here in Europe but I didn't expect any other poler besides Max and tomorrow won't be anything new regarding the winner. Max will secure his 2nd world championship (1st for so many fans tho ) and yea ...another boring F1 season when nothing special happened and a new team came and dominating everything. What a show , right ? I miss F1 in early 2000 so bad man....

That would be the scenario if no rain is coming but it is expected about 40-60% chances of good rain and we saw in the last year that Max could not keep his head cool and completely miscalculated his overtaking move against Norris and screwed his race there.I think the rain which is widely expected on Sunday can change this race for the better and I think we will have to wait a bit more for him to be crown as Champion from tomorrow although anything is possible.

I don't like at all the early 2000 when only Ferrari dominated at that time and it was one of the most boring times of all F1 history.

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I've missed qualifiers because of the early hour here in Europe but I didn't expect any other poler besides Max and tomorrow won't be anything new regarding the winner. Max will secure his 2nd world championship (1st for so many fans tho ) and yea ...another boring F1 season when nothing special happened and a new team came and dominating everything. What a show , right ? I miss F1 in early 2000 so bad man....

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 08, 2022, 03:25:11 AM

Pole position for Max but he is under investigation.

He deserves a penalty for impeding to Norris but as we already know, RBR is basically immune and he will keep the 1st position.

I don't think he will get a penalty as the maximum it can happen is they put a fine to Redbull for such dangerous maneuver he made there.It would be a surprise if he got a penalty considering that we are at Suzuka,Japan home of Honda and they would be penalizing their engine manufacturer if they did this so that is why I think the maximum they will give a fine so they can shut up the critics that we did our job but I highly doubt a penalty.

Having said that he made a spectacular first and third sector and despite Ferrari being much faster in the second sector they lost more than 0.207 in the short third sector in their fastest laps.It will be interesting tomorrow which is supposed to be again under rain.

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Pole position for Max but he is under investigation.

He deserves a penalty for impeding to Norris but as we already know, RBR is basically immune and he will keep the 1st position.

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