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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 04, 2022, 06:32:50 PM

Maybe it is unfortunate that Chinese GP isn't going to take place in the new season again. However this is the right call actually. Because if they didn't remove it from the calendar then it would have just made things easier for covid-19 to spread among the spectators. It wouldn't have even been limited to the spectators so it might have caused a much bigger problem.

As far as I know it isn't going to be replaced with any other GP. This is at least good news for the drivers in terms of having a less busy schedule.

It is not just about the disease itself but also the rules as well. I mean when you are doing a GP, as the hosts you have some responsibilities, would you not have a media place ready? Would you not have stands? Would you not have garage for each team* There are some things that is asked of you, like can you have cracks on the track? Of course not, which means that F1 tells these hosts to do "some" things, and all hosts follow those rules because F1 is the one who makes the decisions, even when it is purely about racing, and yet all nations follow it, without doubt, %100 following the rules.

And yet here, when it is about the pandemic suddenly "nothing is going on!!! it's all part of a master plan!!" type of theory stuff, I am sorry but it is just the rules, just like any other rule that F1 requested.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 05, 2022, 03:39:31 AM

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You're sarcastic, right? Considering China Covid policy where they're still acting like Covid would be plague, racing is impossible there.

Actually, it shouldn't be sarcasm, I don't think China's 0 Corona policy makes sense anymore, let alone that it can be enforced until next year (or more than half a year) in China.

So a China Grand Prix shouldn't be a problem, or is it assumed that China will continue with their Corona policy for the whole of next year?

Chances are high that the Covid outbreak will continue at least until May and the Chinese grand prix is usually in March or April meaning being early on the calendar.I hope if it can be extended to be in the last races of the calendar when we usually go to Asia but this time for the new season the last races will be in the Americas,we finish with Mexico and USA as the last race of the tournament from what I have seen from the official calendar.It is a shame as I said for this race not to go on as the track is really great and with the new regulations making the F1 Championship more competitive we would be seeing a great race.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 04, 2022, 05:47:07 PM

You're sarcastic, right? Considering China Covid policy where they're still acting like Covid would be plague, racing is impossible there.

Actually, it shouldn't be sarcasm, I don't think China's 0 Corona policy makes sense anymore, let alone that it can be enforced until next year (or more than half a year) in China.

So a China Grand Prix shouldn't be a problem, or is it assumed that China will continue with their Corona policy for the whole of next year?

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Maybe it is unfortunate that Chinese GP isn't going to take place in the new season again. However this is the right call actually. Because if they didn't remove it from the calendar then it would have just made things easier for covid-19 to spread among the spectators. It wouldn't have even been limited to the spectators so it might have caused a much bigger problem.

As far as I know it isn't going to be replaced with any other GP. This is at least good news for the drivers in terms of having a less busy schedule.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 03, 2022, 07:42:45 AM

Furthermore what’s more annoying is that F1 hasn’t announced a replacement yet for this race, and they probably won’t be having a replacement which is really sad in my personal opinion.

In the message about cancelation of Chinese GP it's said that they're looking replacement and announce it later, same thing said in article that you linked. It's said that most likely that it will be Portimao track and it would be great option IMO.

Quote from: Koal-84 on December 04, 2022, 05:20:39 PM

It's a bit strange, and I don't understand why the China Grand Prix would be cancelled again? It can't really be because of the Corona policy anymore, can it? Very strange I think... and also a little pity.

You're sarcastic, right? Considering China Covid policy where they're still acting like Covid would be plague, racing is impossible there.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2022, 10:32:16 AM

This move can be a double edge sword as if the driver with such penalty to have it do it during the first pit stop he can be well ahead of the opponent and may not get any real penalty at all.Of course if the cars are balanced and there is not a big domination of a team against another this as penalty can be much more effective then starting last on the grid as for example if the driver having the penalty is in close fight with the closest follower he will lose the lead and risk also to lose that race,in this context only as a penalty this becomes more severe.

I'm not so sure about it.
In a track where it is very hard to overtake like Monaco is always better to start ahead instead of being behind in the grid.

Now if you are ahead and you can't overtake you need 1 safety car to be "penalty-free" and you can even fight for the win.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 02, 2022, 05:47:36 PM

Now it's official, the Chinese Grand Prix for 2023 has been canceled and the Shanghai Grand Prix for the fourth year in a row.
However, the will is to continue racing over 24 races

Source: https://twitter.com/F1/status/1598633240947851266

It's a bit strange, and I don't understand why the China Grand Prix would be cancelled again? It can't really be because of the Corona policy anymore, can it? Very strange I think... and also a little pity.

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on December 04, 2022, 01:08:47 PM

How would the F1 drivers actually enjoy themselves in these months? They have quite a lot of free time now, because the season will not start again until around March. Vacation and being free is nice, but eventually you have had enough of that. And you can't just go racing in a car, it's not like football that you train for an hour. Perhaps they spend a lot of time on the simulator and go to the gym regularly. What can we expect from Nick De Vries next season? Would he get another chance at Mercedes or will it be Hamilton and Russell?

I think De Vries will race for Williams in 2023 in place of Latifi together with Albon,I don't think he can jump right away just because of a good race he did in Monza to deserve a place in the Mercedes team.Maybe Mercedes will keep an eye on him and if he does well with Williams and beats his team mate which has a lot more experience than him this can make Mercedes think to give him an offer after 1 or 2 years when Hamilton will stop.

For the moment Hamilton said in a public post in his social medias that he feels he have got still a lot to give and can't wait to be on track next season.

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How would the F1 drivers actually enjoy themselves in these months? They have quite a lot of free time now, because the season will not start again until around March. Vacation and being free is nice, but eventually you have had enough of that. And you can't just go racing in a car, it's not like football that you train for an hour. Perhaps they spend a lot of time on the simulator and go to the gym regularly. What can we expect from Nick De Vries next season? Would he get another chance at Mercedes or will it be Hamilton and Russell?

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 03, 2022, 06:03:56 PM

The FIA is thinking of changing the rules of the formula again.
This time they are talking about changing the penalties in case a team has to change engine parts over the limit.

Currently, anyone who goes beyond the limit of permitted changes takes a penalty on the starting grid, they are thinking of moving the penalty to the first pit box.

They think it's more severe as a penalty but I think it can have the opposite effect.

This move can be a double edge sword as if the driver with such penalty to have it do it during the first pit stop he can be well ahead of the opponent and may not get any real penalty at all.Of course if the cars are balanced and there is not a big domination of a team against another this as penalty can be much more effective then starting last on the grid as for example if the driver having the penalty is in close fight with the closest follower he will lose the lead and risk also to lose that race,in this context only as a penalty this becomes more severe.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 01, 2022, 09:51:39 AM

Last season there were already 20 races due to the cancellation of the Finnish Grand Prix, in 2021 there were 18 races, in 2019 before Corona there were 19 races. So next year's season is already particularly long with 21 races, even though I'm a big fan of Moto GP races, but I think that's already too much for the team in development and for the riders.

There is a gap of 4 months for each season. I think that's long enough. But maybe for development and testing it is very fast. I'm just watching so sometimes waiting 2 weeks is too long.

Then the latest news I heard in the local media. It is reported that the VR46 Team, which currently uses Ducati, will move to Yamaha in 2024. This is because the Yamaha RNF Team has gone to Aprilia. So Yamaha doesn't have a satellite team at the moment and this is an opportunity for VR46 to step in to fill this void.

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The FIA is thinking of changing the rules of the formula again.
This time they are talking about changing the penalties in case a team has to change engine parts over the limit.

Currently, anyone who goes beyond the limit of permitted changes takes a penalty on the starting grid, they are thinking of moving the penalty to the first pit box.

They think it's more severe as a penalty but I think it can have the opposite effect.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 02, 2022, 09:53:50 PM

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Now it's official, the Chinese Grand Prix for 2023 has been canceled and the Shanghai Grand Prix for the fourth year in a row.

It is already the fourth time that China's F1 grand prix has been cancelled.... regrettable.

Although much of the world has already loosened restrictions on the coronavirus pandemic, which made it possible for the almost full return of the standard F1 calendar in 2021, China continued to adopt stricter policies of lockdowns, mass testing and quarantines.

Unfortunately, one of the main reasons for these out-of-control outbreaks of covid in the Asian country is the low demand for the vaccine in the elderly population, and the government's refusal to import foreign immunizers. For these two main reasons, the number of deaths and hospitalizations in China has increased again to alarming proportions and triggered this wave of protests against confinements that end up having no effect on controlling the disease.

It's sad, but the cancellation of the GP in China is a right decision by the organization.

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Now it's official, the Chinese Grand Prix for 2023 has been canceled and the Shanghai Grand Prix for the fourth year in a row.
However, the will is to continue racing over 24 races

I think it is a pity as the Shanghai track is one of the best tracks in terms that it permits overtaking and a lot of them and after the new regulations introduced this year in the F1 circus the cars can follow each other much closer and we would be seeing a really nice race there.I think it is the right decision though to make as the Covid 19 is out-breaking yet again at a really fast rate in China and the government does not seem to contain it except that shutting down a lot of things including the F1 race.

I too am not at all happy with this cancellation but it would have been a nightmare too had this race been on, due to the zero covid policy in China. Furthermore what’s more annoying is that F1 hasn’t announced a replacement yet for this race, and they probably won’t be having a replacement which is really sad in my personal opinion.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 02, 2022, 05:47:36 PM

Now it's official, the Chinese Grand Prix for 2023 has been canceled and the Shanghai Grand Prix for the fourth year in a row.
However, the will is to continue racing over 24 races

I think it is a pity as the Shanghai track is one of the best tracks in terms that it permits overtaking and a lot of them and after the new regulations introduced this year in the F1 circus the cars can follow each other much closer and we would be seeing a really nice race there.I think it is the right decision though to make as the Covid 19 is out-breaking yet again at a really fast rate in China and the government does not seem to contain it except that shutting down a lot of things including the F1 race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 02, 2022, 05:47:36 PM

Now it's official, the Chinese Grand Prix for 2023 has been canceled and the Shanghai Grand Prix for the fourth year in a row.

It is already the fourth time that China's F1 grand prix has been cancelled.... regrettable.

Although much of the world has already loosened restrictions on the coronavirus pandemic, which made it possible for the almost full return of the standard F1 calendar in 2021, China continued to adopt stricter policies of lockdowns, mass testing and quarantines.

Unfortunately, one of the main reasons for these out-of-control outbreaks of covid in the Asian country is the low demand for the vaccine in the elderly population, and the government's refusal to import foreign immunizers. For these two main reasons, the number of deaths and hospitalizations in China has increased again to alarming proportions and triggered this wave of protests against confinements that end up having no effect on controlling the disease.

It's sad, but the cancellation of the GP in China is a right decision by the organization.

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Now it's official, the Chinese Grand Prix for 2023 has been canceled and the Shanghai Grand Prix for the fourth year in a row.
However, the will is to continue racing over 24 races

Source: https://twitter.com/F1/status/1598633240947851266

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Quote from: CLS63 on December 02, 2022, 02:51:03 PM

Next season has a potential to be a very interesting one. Because Mercedes have made huge progress throughout last season. They have developed their car into a much faster and durable one. They have started to compete with Ferrari at the same level first and they even got close to Red Bull's level in the final moments of the season.

This is alarming for not only Ferrari but also Red Bull. Ferrari need to fix the issues within their car and continue on their way with new workers in their crew as well. Otherwise they can't keep up with those teams next season. Red Bull will also need to be ready against the Mercedes threat. Maybe Verstappen might not have a this much comfortable season this time.

Everyone has a bad day sometimes, but at Mercedes it turned out that a lot had gone wrong structurally last season. The only hope is that in the last race they showed how well they can still race if they have a good car. Verstappen's talent has no one on the whole earth, but if you have a good car it also drives a lot easier. The Hamilton era is over for now. If Hamilton's car is not 100% next year, they have no chance of winning the championship. Hamilton has not even won a single race, unthinkable really.

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Next season has a potential to be a very interesting one. Because Mercedes have made huge progress throughout last season. They have developed their car into a much faster and durable one. They have started to compete with Ferrari at the same level first and they even got close to Red Bull's level in the final moments of the season.

This is alarming for not only Ferrari but also Red Bull. Ferrari need to fix the issues within their car and continue on their way with new workers in their crew as well. Otherwise they can't keep up with those teams next season. Red Bull will also need to be ready against the Mercedes threat. Maybe Verstappen might not have a this much comfortable season this time.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 01, 2022, 10:03:04 PM

Ferrari's main problem this year was certainly its engine... Ferrari's uneven performance in the last races of the 2022 Formula 1 season, which started in Mexico and extended to the "fight" they had against the team from Red Bull in Abu Dhabi, show how critical this problem was.

Anyone who has followed the team's trajectory this year knows that they had two problems to deal with: the first is the adjustment of the power unit, mainly the size of the turbo, which was not ideal for races at high altitude, such as the one that took place in Mexico. It's in Brazil.
The second was Mattia Binotto's confirmation after the last GP, as the team had to reduce engine performance in these last races because of reliability concerns.

In addition, Ferrari still had some failures of "great magnitude" and that cost a lot at the beginning of the campaign... Charles Leclerc incidents in Spain, then in Azerbaijan and finally the fire of Carlos Sainz in Austria . All this forced Ferrari to have to reduce the pace a little while they looked for a solution to the already existing problems.

I hope they now have enough time to get the shop in order and return for the 2023 season with everything set up.

These are good problems to have actually, because it means you bilt a good car but it has problems running, if you can make the reliability problem gone, and make the car running at 100% without issues, that means you are going to win many races. Of course that's not easy neither, but building a good car is even harder, fixing the DNF issues is a lot better than building a good car.

Ferrari also had a lot of troubles with pit strategy and tire strategy as well, we all saw this, they called pilots at the wrong times and often had wrong tire choices as well. If they can fix the reliability issue and also the strategy team, then they have a very good chance to win it next year.

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Nothing unexpected - Chinese GP 2023 got cancelled again because of China Covid regulations.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-confirms-2023-chinese-grand-prix-will-not-take-place.186HJrsCh027R2rl0eJnWG.html
Well, it's ridiculous. Wouldn't be surprised if even in year 2035 it will be cancelled again, considering China attitude towards Covid.
Anyway, can't say that I will miss this track much. Portimao track is mentioned as potential replacement, it would be great choice.

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