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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 03, 2022, 06:00:30 AM

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

Yup but the Red Bulls are just fast in the straights. Newey out did himself with these cars with the new specs. Binnoto too. He also built a great car from scratch but prolly needs more tweaks and development under the new specs to out do Red Bull. Maybe next year... Hopefully. It would really be boring if Red Bull dominates next season. Which I think there's a high possibility they might. Cheesy

And for the Singapore GP, for a race with lots of incidents it was kinda boring.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 03, 2022, 06:00:30 AM

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

There is a reason why Perez got the nickname "minister of defense of Mexico", dude knows how to defend incredibly well, just look at last year's last race, he managed to keep Hamilton behind him for so long wit basically dead tires versus Hamiltons fresh tires and better car, Max couldn't even reach Hamilton whereas Perez kept him behind him. Sure, it's hard for him to race faster and over take others that easily, he is not good there, but when it comes to defending, he is just insanely good at it.

This is why it is understandable for Charles to fail as well, he tried, but Perez defended again, and Charles just gave up after a while not to crash his car.

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Quote from: CLS63 on October 02, 2022, 01:15:29 PM

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Checo Perez won the GP but again both RBR cheated today.

Perez is under investigation while Max got no investigation at all.

Yeah, Perez has been under investigation due to safety car infringement. But I don't know if he'd get a time penalty that is big enough for Leclerc to take the lead. I still don't see any update about the investigation though so let's see what will happen. Whatever result we have from that, I believe that Perez deserved the win from the beginning to the end.

Leclerc must be angry with himself now because he wasted a huge opportunity after getting so close to Perez to overtake him thanks to DRS as well. Leclerc had a big problem on controlling the car at one point and he shouldn't have made that mistake in a critical moment. This was another race he started in pole position but gave up the lead after.

Red Bull's influence on Fia and the decisions is starting to bother me a bit. They are even more influential than mercedes and ferrari in political matters. This is really successful for the team, but they have been damaging the general understanding of justice for the last 2 years. And yes, as someone who likes Alonso and doesn't like Hamilton, my opinion is that they stole the championship from Hamilton last season. The best of the day are Perez, Aston Martin and Mclaren. Others were very bad. Especially verstappen and hamilton were extremely bad. Hamilton drove like amateurs. In my opinion, it was the most unpleasant race of recent years. The race stopped too much. It was arguably Mercedes' worst race in the 2022 season. Both Russell and Hamilton had a lousy weekend. But if there is a clean race in Japan next week, I expect a double podium.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 03, 2022, 05:26:54 AM

A very important day for Bagnaia yesterday and also very good that there is no stable order at Ducati. A bad day for Fabio, the lead is now gone, and Aleix has also made up points.

Aleix is also only 20 points behind Fabio, so there is still a lot of room for improvement, very good for the fans and there are still 3 races to go, so a maximum of 75 points is still possible.

In the three remaining races of the season, it looks like it will be quite difficult for Fabio Quartararo because considering the Phillip Island, Sepang and Ricardo Tormo Valencia circuits as the last ones are circuits that are not difficult for Bagnaia and Aleix Espargaro if the conditions are not rainy or dry conditions. So Fabio Quartararo needs to work hard during qualifying to get a good position on the starting grid so that he can be more flexible when starting the race.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 03, 2022, 06:00:30 AM

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

In this track is very difficult to overtake despite using or not DRS,we saw that even drivers like Verstappen and Hamilton,world Champions made errors here,one hit the wall,the other raged all the way to pass a McLaren and got completely out of track so it was not Leclerc fault,he did his best,the only fault he has is that he consumed the tires so much that Perez easily created a gap of more than 5 seconds which was needed for him to secure the win.Perez is also known as the "minister of defense" so it is much more difficult to overtake him in tracks like this one.

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This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

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A very important day for Bagnaia yesterday and also very good that there is no stable order at Ducati. A bad day for Fabio, the lead is now gone, and Aleix has also made up points.

Aleix is also only 20 points behind Fabio, so there is still a lot of room for improvement, very good for the fans and there are still 3 races to go, so a maximum of 75 points is still possible.

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It was nice to see a different driver winning a race finally after a long time. Because Verstappen won the previous five races which started to make things boring for us. Perez had a wonderful race and he completely deserved the win by his high effort. He raced under the same conditions with Leclerc in the end so Leclerc should have been more concentrated on his race after catching up with Perez so much. He was the victim of his own mistakes I believe.

Everyone was waiting for Perez's penalty to be announced. There was an expectation of 10-sec penalty however they decided upon an only 5-sec penalty which was enough for Perez to retain his victory. I hope that this punishment is exactly the same in the rule book also. Otherwise it's a big disrespect to the rest of the drivers. We've already witnessed a huge mistake at the end of last season so FIA shouldn't have the luxury of acting however they'd like anymore.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 02, 2022, 04:36:49 PM

2 hours for deciding the punishment of Perez and they give him 5 seconds, basically, they give him no penalty since he had 7 seconds of advantage.

We already know what will happen this weekend with the punishment for RBR and the salary Cap.

Spoiler: Nothing.

Even if they punish the Redbull now it does not make any sense because for this year they have already won everything,it was Verstappen that screw up his race today as normally he could have also finished in the podium so it does not make sense.Everybody now should be focusing on next season like most of the teams are already doing.I never expect FIA to give a punishment to Redbull especially every time I recall the last lap of last season which they changed something like letting other lapped cars pass or something like that and at that time it was the title at stake,now there is nothing as the titles have been already decided.

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2 hours for deciding the punishment of Perez and they give him 5 seconds, basically, they give him no penalty since he had 7 seconds of advantage.

We already know what will happen this weekend with the punishment for RBR and the salary Cap.

Spoiler: Nothing.

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I think the checks regarding the problems during the race should have been done quickly and announced before the podium. He could have been penalized 2 times by 5 seconds but those checks were delayed and he was penalized only by one. This didn't affect the result either. I knew they couldn't give a penalty that would change the ranking after they made the podium.

As a result, we watched a race that was not very enjoyable, on a track that was not very enjoyable. RBR won again. Verstappen had to wait another week to declare his title.
In fact, it seems like the season is over. With Verstappen opening such a point gap, the excitement of Formula 1 has decreased significantly. I wish we could have watched a more competitive season.

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Finally no Verstappen as the winner. But guess what, another Red Bull as the winner. I don't think it matters much for the final standings and statistics either, Leclerc might have liked to win this race but his car is just not good enough yet. Leclerc is certainly not a worse rider than Perez. I think Verstappen is simply the best driver. Strange that Hamilton has been invisible all season. He still has motivation, but Mercedes will have to give him another car. I don't see a switch to another team happening anytime soon, but then things will have to be different next season of course.

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Usually I don't expect interesting race in Singapore, but today it wasn't bad and it was worth waiting extra 1 hour for it's start. Well deserved win for Perez, great start and he managed to keep Leclerc behind when he was very close. After received 5 second penalty for safety car infringement, but he had enough gap from Leclerc to remain 1st.
Ferrari have 2 drivers on podium, but that's probably case when they're not happy about result. Crazy razy for Vertappen, so many things happened for him today. It looked that he will finnish where he started - 8th, but on last lap he managed to overtake Vettel.
Good race for both Mclaren drivers, such rare thing this season. Also, Aston Martin went up by 2 places in constructors championship after Stroll and Vettel delivered points.
And anotherdace in office for GOATifi - he literally pushed Zhou to the wall and his excuse was epic - Latifi said that he didn't saw Zhou. He got 5 place penalty in next race for this accident

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Quote from: CLS63 on October 02, 2022, 01:15:29 PM

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Checo Perez won the GP but again both RBR cheated today.

Perez is under investigation while Max got no investigation at all.

Yeah, Perez has been under investigation due to safety car infringement. But I don't know if he'd get a time penalty that is big enough for Leclerc to take the lead. I still don't see any update about the investigation though so let's see what will happen. Whatever result we have from that, I believe that Perez deserved the win from the beginning to the end.

Leclerc must be angry with himself now because he wasted a huge opportunity after getting so close to Perez to overtake him thanks to DRS as well. Leclerc had a big problem on controlling the car at one point and he shouldn't have made that mistake in a critical moment. This was another race he started in pole position but gave up the lead after.

I also think that Perez deserved the win and the teams both of Ferrari and Redbull gave their drivers the orders,Ferrari said keep the lead less than 5 seconds while Redbull told Perez to make the gap more than 5 seconds because he is under investigation for Safety Infringement.Honestly the Safety Car was really driving slow and sure in the heat of the race every driver can get mad,the Safety Car needed to go faster especially in a track where the tires needed to stay in temperature because of the wet tarmac.

Leclerc did not waste a huge opportunity,it was the track that didn't let him win despite the DRS,if the same situation was on another track Leclerc would have won.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 02, 2022, 12:26:57 PM

Checo Perez won the GP but again both RBR cheated today.

Perez is under investigation while Max got no investigation at all.

Yeah, Perez has been under investigation due to safety car infringement. But I don't know if he'd get a time penalty that is big enough for Leclerc to take the lead. I still don't see any update about the investigation though so let's see what will happen. Whatever result we have from that, I believe that Perez deserved the win from the beginning to the end.

Leclerc must be angry with himself now because he wasted a huge opportunity after getting so close to Perez to overtake him thanks to DRS as well. Leclerc had a big problem on controlling the car at one point and he shouldn't have made that mistake in a critical moment. This was another race he started in pole position but gave up the lead after.

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Checo Perez won the GP but again both RBR cheated today.

Perez is under investigation while Max got no investigation at all.

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What happened today in the Buriram Thailand MotoGP race was really unexpected because all the riders had to wade through the race in wet track conditions.
And a very extraordinary result was obtained by Miguel Oliveira who was able to win the race after starting the race from 11th position. This means that he was able to overtake the ten riders in front of him until the end of the race.

And the thing that is very unfortunate is for Fabio Quartararo who finished without points in this race so that the difference in points in the standings became 2 units with Pecco Bagnaia because he was able to finish in 3rd place.

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The race has finally started! We had to wait for around an hour to see the race starting. The track is still not dry.

Perez had a wonderful start by a better reaction than Leclerc and took the lead on the start straight. Sainz also started better than Hamilton and overtook him nicely. Verstappen was one of the losers of the start as he lost four positions already. But he's already started to climb to the top and he is in 9th position currently. I don't think that Perez will be able to keep Leclerc behind too long. But keeping him like that until Verstappen catches up with Leclerc very much would be enough for Perez. I still think that the winner will be Verstappen. But if we see heavy rain again then we'd better be open for surprises.

You know how much Hamilton loves this kind of conditions. Maybe he might find a way to benefit from it. Grin

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Quote from: LTU_btc on October 02, 2022, 07:45:32 AM

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This can be a bad move,the more they waited in Belgium last year the more the rain intensified,if they start when they should 26 minutes from now there is a chance we see some 20-25 laps of a race and if the heavy rain brings the red flag at least we will know we had some decent racing not like Belgium last year which lasted only two laps.

Of course I am hoping for a full race and hoping that the move is the correct one but anytime we have had delay we have not seen a good race.

I doubt that Belgium scenario will repeat. Seems that rain already stopped, though, there is now lot of standing water on track. But now 3 hour timer didn't, so they can wait now as long as it needed to start race in safe conditions.

I am seeing it live now but the track is wet yeah but surely won't get dry if only the Safety Car keeps racing in there,I am sure that if we start the race normally the track will dry itself much quicker.That standing water won't go away,the commissars are doing a great job trying to shift the water away but I think it can't be done completely.Spectacle is guaranteed if we start to race in the official 2 PM European time but even 30 minutes later I don't think much will change for the better.As always F1 is becoming more and more boring in tracks where rain is there.I remember the good old days of 1980-1990 where races were held in much more difficult conditions than these.

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